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Tucker Carlson, join the military and go do a tour, then discuss Duckworth

Bodecea said:
Are we Spain now?
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I dunno, we very well could be if you wont control yourself it’s not unlikely you could end up getting controlled for you. It’s not what I want to happen, I sincerely want no violence. But I greatly fear it will be inevitable if a campaign of cultural genocide wages on unchecked
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The left wing position is definitely “my way or the highway” you either agree or you’re a useful
Idiot.

They will never stop.

If literally the first president of the new Republic who was of impeccable character, diffused a military coup, rejected lifetime power, shepherded the constitutional convention is not enough then nothing will be. Get Bent, George Stays. No compromise
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Beating women shows the impeccable character of George Washington? Your principles are not very consistent.
 
Irredentist said:
Beating women shows the impeccable character of George Washington? Your principles are not very consistent.
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He didn’t do that.

And you don’t care if he did or not
 
Felis Leo said:
I will just say this now.

Broadly speaking, no one cares about a veteran's military service record or how often they put their lives on the line for our country when they have engaged in politically unacceptable. Republicans don't. Democrats don't. They each have their veterans who they rally behind, but they could not give a flying fig for veterans or the sacrifices of veterans on the other side of the political aisle.

Dan Crenshaw was injured in the line of duty in service to this country. Which Democratic voters here would stand up for him if he were attacked in the same manner as Duckworth? If one did, I would be surprised. To take a more extreme example: Michael Flynn put his life on the line for our country. Who in the Democratic Party will stand up for him?

Don't talk to me about military service. It's empty rhetoric. The question is: Do you really care for the sacrifices made by the men and women who served unless they vote the right way?
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When Pete Davidson made a dumb joke about Dan Crenshaws eyepatch, people were falling over themselves to demand an apology.

This lady lost a lot more than an eye, and yet you can't bring yourself to admit that what Tucker Carlson said was wrong?

That's pathetic.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
He didn’t do that.

And you don’t care if he did or not
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Whether I care isn't the point. You're the one who said beating women was something to be ashamed of. Yet George Washington approved of it.

Does that show impeccable character to you?
 
Irredentist said:
When Pete Davidson made a dumb joke about Dan Crenshaws eyepatch, people were falling over themselves to demand an apology.
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Were you one of those people demanding that Davidson apologize for insulting Crenshaw's sacrifice, Irredentist? And if you were not, is it your position that Carlson should be made to pay, but Davidson should not have been?

Irredentist said:
This lady lost a lot more than an eye, and yet you can't bring yourself to admit that what Tucker Carlson said was wrong?

That's pathetic.
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I did not say it was not wrong. I will not defend him. Nor will I be cynically browbeat by you or anyone else into issuing condemnation. I am saying that the outrage over sneering at the sacrifices of veterans is often cynically overwrought and is used as a weapon by scoundrels wrapping themselves in the flag.
 
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independentusa said:
So many people in this country who were unwilling to serve are more than willing to question the bravery of those who have. I remember Trump telling us that he did not consider McCain a hero as he had been captured. What did the brave Trump followers say, NOTHING. Now we have another jackass Tucker Carlson calling Duckworth who joined and served and was wounded a coward. He is the coward. If he wants to question Duckworth as being a coward then he should join up and serve a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan and then he can question her bravery. Until then the coward that he is should just keep his trap shut about her being a coward. And those that are saying it is his right, you should join and serve a tour and then say you agree with him again. Just so you know I volunteered in 69 and come from a military family where my father and 8 out of nine children served.
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Trump watches Carlson in the evening and parrots it as our foreign policies in the morning. Or country is in the hands of two, 'armchair generals' who never served and who're clueless when it comes to how to run the mightiest armed force the world has ever known. Either his supporters don't care about the price put on our soldiers heads, or they care for Trump more than our soldiers, or they're sick in the head and have their priorities screwed up, or just plain sick in the head period, or?...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The left wing position is definitely “my way or the highway” you either agree or you’re a useful
Idiot.

They will never stop.

If literally the first president of the new Republic who was of impeccable character, diffused a military coup, rejected lifetime power, shepherded the constitutional convention is not enough then nothing will be. Get Bent, George Stays. No compromise
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Quite the ironic post from someone who doesn't even want to have a dialog.
 
Man I sure do wish people like the OP were around when all the idiot leftist twats that never served were chiming in when a couple of Marines pissed on a dead terrorist.

Lucky for me, I DID serve, spent more than my share of time in a combat zone, so I can call her out for her bull**** partisan hypocrisy. When a year ago she is celebrating the founding fathers and talking about spending the next 4th of July at Mount Rushmore only to now start regurgitating the populist leftist bull**** about the founding fathers, well...her service doesnt shield her from her blatant hypocrisy.
 
lurchadams said:
None of them disrespected military heroes. trump does it frequently. Major whataboutism fail.
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Remember how he has disrespected former POWs and Gold Star families.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I dunno, we very well could be if you wont control yourself it’s not unlikely you could end up getting controlled for you. It’s not what I want to happen, I sincerely want no violence. But I greatly fear it will be inevitable if a campaign of cultural genocide wages on unchecked
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You don't know if we are Spain or not? I see your problem.
 
Bodecea said:
Remember how he has disrespected former POWs and Gold Star families.
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Yes, I do. And he still does. Now, let’s get a round tuit — 118 bottles of beer on the wall ...
 
chuckiechan said:
Typical of a standard issue black and white one insult fits all democrat.
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I prefer to be a patriotic, supporting our veterans Democrat over being a moral-less trump cultist.
 
independentusa said:
So many people in this country who were unwilling to serve are more than willing to question the bravery of those who have. I remember Trump telling us that he did not consider McCain a hero as he had been captured. What did the brave Trump followers say, NOTHING. Now we have another jackass Tucker Carlson calling Duckworth who joined and served and was wounded a coward. He is the coward. If he wants to question Duckworth as being a coward then he should join up and serve a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan and then he can question her bravery. Until then the coward that he is should just keep his trap shut about her being a coward. And those that are saying it is his right, you should join and serve a tour and then say you agree with him again. Just so you know I volunteered in 69 and come from a military family where my father and 8 out of nine children served.
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As a soldier I totally disagree. Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier. To make a claim that those who do not serve are somehow not as good as those who do is ignorant to say the least. To call people who did not serve cowards is also ignorant. Now if you have proof they did something cowardly that is another thing all together. Do you think Ali was a coward because he did not serve? I have many family members who have served and many who did not. To assume the ones who did not serve are cowards is pathetic.

Trump was wrong when he said McCain was not a war hero which he corrected himself immediately. Trump was wrong when he said the only reason McCain was hero was because he was capture. Being captured does not make anyone a war hero. However McCain was a Hero for how he conducted himself when captured. That is not debatable. Does being a war hero mean you will make a better president. Not at all.
 
Aurora said:
Duckworth is a senator and is open to criticism . Democrats have attacked our president non stop for 3.5 years. If Duckworth is being exposed, well done.
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:lamo

That shows how low the Trump party and it's supporters have sunk.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Conservatives don’t win when “discussions” are involved because set the terms of the discussion and only accept their conclusion. The only way to win is to force the left to accept the premise and be willing to die for the statues If it comes to it
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Anyone who calls a war vet a coward isn't conservative. That's what leftists do.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Did any of them lie via doctors letters claiming bone spurs 5 times?

I rest my case.
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Prove your case or you lose you case. You lose anyway since bone spurs still prohibiting voluntarily joining UNLESS the military has a compelling reason to grant a waiver, which are very rare.
 
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Duckworths two blown off legs should not make her political opinions any more special than anyone elses.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Totally irrelevant.

She either despises the US or thinks being open to despising the US will gain her political support.

She believes our founding fathers are to be ashamed of. Shame on her
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Carlson, who said immigration is ruining America, echoing the racism/xenophobia in our history, is attacking her patriotism for her daring to suggest the possibility of criticism of our founders? The founders engaged in criticism of the founders, Tucker. Read your history.
 
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joko104 said:
I have no problem with anyone being terrified and a coward who is in the military. "Coward" is very subjective. Having served in the military does not mean a person is brave. It just means they joined the military.

I only know ONE person who joined specifically for the purpose of wanting to go into combat - rapidly becoming a Marine Squad leader at the height of the fighting in the Helmand District of Iraq and often in face to face small unit combat - even hand to hand (knife versus sickle one time). Rather, I would only have a problem with someone who acted in cowardice in face of the enemy while in service - and then it would depend why.

The reason "green troops" tend to do so badly is the terror/fear/coward factor - something they learned in detail in Vietnam - the first heavily filmed/videoed war of actual small scale fire-fight combat. They found 50% of the NEW draftees didn't fire at all, just tried to hide and of the other 50%, only half were actually firing. 75% of green draftees were so overcome with fear they were completely crippled. So, they were "cowards?" No, they were human.

Not in combat, I have seen people totally immobilized, total lost even of body control and unable to speak, being in terror due to violence.

That is one reason they went to the 5.56. So troops could carry and fire a LOT of ammo - because a LOT of them weren't firing.
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Uh-oh. You didn't do enough fact checking in your little on going military fiction story.

Can you show me where Helmand District of Iraq is on a map.

This is the problem when you make up stories. Eventually you make a mistake.
 
braindrain said:
Uh-oh. You didn't do enough fact checking in your little on going military fiction story.

Can you show me where Helmand District of Iraq is on a map.

This is the problem when you make up stories. Eventually you make a mistake.
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I messed up, it is Afghanistan and I have posted about that Marine in the Helmand District many times on this forum. My kid spent most time in the Iraq theater and my kid is most often on my mind. The serious medical situation is always worse - a deteriorating condition.

#8 ar https://www.debatepolitics.com/mili...ng-orders-combat-zones.html?highlight=helmand
#10 https://www.debatepolitics.com/mili...es-describing-betrayal.html?highlight=helmand
#2 https://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-...-including-urban-areas.html?highlight=helmand
#12 https://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-...ban-firearms-civilians.html?highlight=helmand

The forum only allows searching so far back.
 
joko104 said:
Prove your case or you lose you case. You lose anyway since bone spurs still prohibiting voluntarily joining UNLESS the military has a compelling reason to grant a waiver, which are very rare.
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Actually he had five deferments, but only the last that I can find for "bone spurs".
 
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