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Small item, but does Trump hate immigrants that much?

I am a conservative. Unlike leftism, my worldview is not reducible to who I like and who I don't like.



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A liberal complaining about government waste. How precious.

What exactly is your point in quoting the popularity of the phrase "nation of immigrants" in books?

Conservatives claim they only oppose "illegal immigration". Clearly you aren't a conservative. You are further to the right. Would "white nationalist" be a more accurate label? (I put "white nationalist" in quotes because its not really a thing. It's a fig leaf white supremacists use because white supremacist has bad optics).
 
My opposition to immigration is not based on whether the paperwork is in order, and I have never said that it was.

Thanks for your candor. You don't agree with the idea of student visas in the first place. I disagree, for reasons already stated by others in the thread.

An admittedly dramatic, but historically correct and pertinent example would be ancient Egypt. The Pharaohs would select certain children of conquered peoples, bring them to Egypt, and educate them in Egyptian law and culture. At adulthood, they would be given authority and sent back to the conquered territories to promote the Pharaoh's interest. Look at it that way.
 
What exactly is your point in quoting the popularity of the phrase "nation of immigrants" in books?

The point is fairly straightforward. Though I understand a person such as yourself being unable to follow it.

Conservatives claim . . .

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Thank you for your opinion. I will give it all the consideration it is worth.
 
The point is fairly straightforward. Though I understand a person such as yourself being unable to follow it.





Thank you for your opinion. I will give it all the consideration it is worth.

So when I hear conservatives consistently say they only oppose illegal immigration, that they just want people to come into America legally, they are lying and Conservatives actually oppose all immigration?
 
An admittedly dramatic, but historically correct and pertinent example would be ancient Egypt. The Pharaohs would select certain children of conquered peoples, bring them to Egypt, and educate them in Egyptian law and culture. At adulthood, they would be given authority and sent back to the conquered territories to promote the Pharaoh's interest. Look at it that way.

That would be all well and good if we maintained a proper colonial empire. The problem is that the people at State, while they spend an inordinate amount of time telling other countries what to do, explicitly take no responsibility for what happens as a result of their instructions. Our government refuses to act as a colonial overlord, so it would be best for it to leave the world alone.
 
That would be all well and good if we maintained a proper colonial empire. The problem is that the people at State, while they spend an inordinate amount of time telling other countries what to do, explicitly take no responsibility for what happens as a result of their instructions. Our government refuses to act as a colonial overlord, so it would be best for it to leave the world alone.

That's not the point, which is why I qualified the example as dramatic. What better way to export American thought, ideals and culture than by educating foreign students here on our soil? It's a win-win. These aren't poor kids. The money they receive from their parents alone adds to the local economies where these colleges are located.
 
That's not the point, which is why I qualified the example as dramatic. What better way to export American thought, ideals and culture than by educating foreign students here on our soil? It's a win-win. These aren't poor kids. The money they receive from their parents alone adds to the local economies where these colleges are located.

And some of them will choose to stay here and become productive members of our society instead of that of their home country.

But conservatives are willing to forgo all of those things when it comes to them DURN FERNERS
 
That's not the point, which is why I qualified the example as dramatic. What better way to export American thought, ideals and culture than by educating foreign students here on our soil? It's a win-win. These aren't poor kids. The money they receive from their parents alone adds to the local economies where these colleges are located.

I do not believe that the thought, ideals, and culture promoted by American universities is good, true, or worth inflicting on any part of the world that has so far escaped from it. Perhaps if international students were restricted to Christendom or Liberty U, their presence might serve a good purpose, but not as is.
 
I do not believe that the thought, ideals, and culture promoted by American universities is good, true, or worth inflicting on any part of the world that has so far escaped from it. Perhaps if international students were restricted to Christendom or Liberty U, their presence might serve a good purpose, but not as is.

That's looney. A nation full of Jethro Bodines. Can't take this post seriously.
 
Heard today that ICE has declared that foreign students who take online classes due to the virus having curtailed in-person courses must leave the US or face deportation. These folks have passed whatever requirements exist to study here and often pay full tuition. They now have to leave, or transfer to another school, or switch classes. The dubious theory is that they can go on line from their own countries. Sure. Can they visit the school library that way too?

What is the practical value of this? An old phrase from my youth comes to mind, "two cents waiting for change." This is the epitome of stingy small mindedness, but sadly, though it disappoints it does not surprise.
I had not heard this before reading this post. Not offering a defense of the policy, but a few thoughts/questions.

1. This appears to impact only non-citizens who are presently enrolled online at an American college or university. Perhaps the assumption is that these students, who are not presently on campus, are not living with their family as many of them come here solely for a college education before returning to their home country? Does this only affect that group or is it a blanket policy that would include people who are living with their parents (or extended family) here in the U.S.?

2. Obviously the excuse is that "they're taking online classes.....they can do that from home" (meaning their home country).

3. How many of these people are there? Are they a health threat to the U.S. population? I can't imagine any more than any other college students who are doing online classes from home?

4. Have there been reports of disruptive/criminal behavior regarding this demographic? I tend to doubt it.

5. Is ICE deporting only illegal aliens (or "dreamers") who meet the description above? I don't know.

I'm just trying to cover the bases here. It would (obviously) be good for this policy to be explained.

That said, your headline is a stretch. The President wanting to deport legal aliens doesn't mean he "hates" them by any means.
 
That's looney. A nation full of Jethro Bodines. Can't take this post seriously.

Of course not. You can't imagine any intellectual tradition existing outside of liberalism. But there are more things in Heaven and Earth, Michael, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
 
1. This appears to impact only non-citizens who are presently enrolled online at an American college or university. Perhaps the assumption is that these students, who are not presently on campus, are not living with their family as many of them come here solely for a college education before returning to their home country? Does this only affect that group or is it a blanket policy that would include people who are living with their parents (or extended family) here in the U.S.?

It affects only people who are here on student visas. Anyone with a green card or other non-academic immigration status, will not be affected.
 
It affects only people who are here on student visas. Anyone with a green card or other non-academic immigration status, will not be affected.
Spitballing here, but wouldn't the best time to ask them to leave have been at the start of this thing?

I'll use this analogy: you are the head of the household. You have a houseguest staying with your family. You hear that something bad is coming to your region - famine, plague, natural disaster, etc. You help the guest pack and say "get home quick, it won't be safe here" or you they can hunker down and weather the storm with the rest of the household. This might sound more reasonable if he'd done it at the beginning (in conjunction, for example, with closing all travel into the country), but right now? It doesn't make much sense to me.
 
Of course not. You can't imagine any intellectual tradition existing outside of liberalism. But there are more things in Heaven and Earth, Michael, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Lmao. I'm not a fan of liberalism. I'm not a fan of a sixth grade educamicashun either, AmNat. Guzinta. Lol.

My philosophy is laughter.

Jethro Bodine : Uncle Jed, get a hold a yourself. I got some bad news for ya.

Jed Clampett : What is it, boy?

Jethro Bodine : I hope this ain't gonna break your heart, but I just gotta say it.

Jethro Bodine : Well come on, get it over with.

Jethro Bodine : Uncle Jed, I decided I ain't gonna be a brain surgeon.

Jed Clampett : Well I reckon I can bear up under that.
 
I had not heard this before reading this post. Not offering a defense of the policy, but a few thoughts/questions.

1. This appears to impact only non-citizens who are presently enrolled online at an American college or university. Perhaps the assumption is that these students, who are not presently on campus, are not living with their family as many of them come here solely for a college education before returning to their home country? Does this only affect that group or is it a blanket policy that would include people who are living with their parents (or extended family) here in the U.S.?

2. Obviously the excuse is that "they're taking online classes.....they can do that from home" (meaning their home country).

3. How many of these people are there? Are they a health threat to the U.S. population? I can't imagine any more than any other college students who are doing online classes from home?

4. Have there been reports of disruptive/criminal behavior regarding this demographic? I tend to doubt it.

5. Is ICE deporting only illegal aliens (or "dreamers") who meet the description above? I don't know.

I'm just trying to cover the bases here. It would (obviously) be good for this policy to be explained.

That said, your headline is a stretch. The President wanting to deport legal aliens doesn't mean he "hates" them by any means.

My point was that this is a completely unnecessary and useless policy that applies to students legally here on visas. It conforms to a number of statements and policies targeting all types of immigrants that has been Trump’s “thing” since his “they’re rapists” speech about illegals to his comparison of all immigrants to poisonous snakes to his attempt to changes decades of asylum law.
 
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