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SHould we just open it all up and "just live with it"?

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Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
 
Yes. Next question.
 
How many sick or dead people are you guys aiming for?
 
Take a popular vote.
 
No, because many will not only die with it, many that wouldn't have had to, but more will also likely die from other illnesses/injuries they likely wouldn't have if not for some overcrowded hospitals.

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I'm waiting for the pro life people to chime in.
 
roguenuke said:
No, because many will not only die with it, many that wouldn't have had to, but more will also likely die from other illnesses/injuries they likely wouldn't have if not for some overcrowded hospitals.

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Come on now 99 percent are perfectly fine
 
I think the title of this thread would be more effective if it said,
Should we just open it all up and "just 'live' with it"?
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If we take that route, a high percentage of higher risk individuals will not survive, so not everyone would "live with it" in this context.

I think we are going to end up opening most businesses up, and we will see a lot of temporary stay at home orders in different communities at different times as cases rise and fall. Due to our delay in responding and then our inability to respond properly to COVID-19, I do not see a realistic scenario to keep our economy from falling apart completely while also preventing COVID-19 from taking more lives. We missed that boat first in February, and then we missed the second boat in May/June. This crisis was managed horribly, and now our country looks like a third world nation in its response.
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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I think we are past the point where the solution is creating more disparity than the original problem did. People need to be able to work, feed their families and live their lives.

On the question of whether we should "open it all up", my answer when it comes to business is "yes". That doesn't mean that we pretend that the virus doesn't exist. Precautions in the workplace should definitely be taken where needed, and more so in industries where the opportunity exists for one infected person to have the ability to infect thousands of unsuspecting people, such as food processing plants. When it comes to leisure activities such as going to the beach, parks, or even bars and nightclubs, everyone understands the risks and should be free to take those risks if they so choose.

With few exceptions, everyone agreed that stopping the virus was an important undertaking and we took steps to achieve that goal. But it reached a point where continuing the lock downs became a bigger threat to our society than the virus itself. Being locked down and opening up both have their benefits and both have risks. Opening up allows people to decide the path that's best for them and their families, but they must not take those choices lightly and accept the responsibility that goes along with them.

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SHould we just open it all up and "just live with it"?
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**** no. even Captain Dip**** is still getting tested daily.
 
Xilnik said:
I think the title of this thread would be more effective if it said,

If we take that route, a high percentage of higher risk individuals will not survive, so not everyone would "live with it" in this context.

I think we are going to end up opening most businesses up, and we will see a lot of temporary stay at home orders in different communities at different times as cases rise and fall. Due to our delay in responding and then our inability to respond properly to COVID-19, I do not see a realistic scenario to keep our economy from falling apart completely while also preventing COVID-19 from taking more lives. We missed that boat first in February, and then we missed the second boat in May/June. This crisis was managed horribly, and now our country looks like a third world nation in its response.
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This will become Trump's legacy.
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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No. We should not open up.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I'm waiting for the pro life people to chime in.
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Oh, life is very sacred to them ... until someone ends up on hard times; then the damn leftist (if they have hit hard times they must be a leftist) can eat **** and die.

The only explanation for Dugout Don's COVID policy is he knows he's going to lose this fall and he's hoping the virus will cause a big enough catastrophe that he can declare martial law and reverse the election in his favor.

In no other way does "opening up" in the face of increasing COVID cases, just reached 10,000 in one day, make sense .
 
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America 404 deaths per million population


Korea 6



Korea checked the virus and so they didn't shut down. Their economy never stopped and they didn't pay out $3 trillion dollars in stimulus money.

Korea is our ally, we could've just asked them to tell us about how they were planning on dealing with the virus and they would've told us.


It's a great tragedy that we handled COVID19 so poorly.
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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We could, but anyone who thinks that we can just open it all up and not face increasing sickness and economic impact is a fool.
 
Grim17 said:
I think we are past the point where the solution is creating more disparity than the original problem did. People need to be able to work, feed their families and live their lives.

On the question of whether we should "open it all up", my answer when it comes to business is "yes". That doesn't mean that we pretend that the virus doesn't exist. Precautions in the workplace should definitely be taken where needed, and more so in industries where the opportunity exists for one infected person to have the ability to infect thousands of unsuspecting people, such as food processing plants. When it comes to leisure activities such as going to the beach, parks, or even bars and nightclubs, everyone understands the risks and should be free to take those risks if they so choose.

With few exceptions, everyone agreed that stopping the virus was an important undertaking and we took steps to achieve that goal. But it reached a point where continuing the lock downs became a bigger threat to our society than the virus itself. Being locked down and opening up both have their benefits and both have risks. Opening up allows people to decide the path that's best for them and their families, but they must not take those choices lightly and accept the responsibility that goes along with them.

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The problem is that the "open it all up folk" tend to be the same assholes who won't wear a mask or social distance while in public. We could be opening up sooner and with less economic impact if people would just wear a mask. But some would rather tilt at windmills than be part of a solution.

If we were all reasonable and adult, if we wore masks and social distanced, we could help slow the spread of Covid and help businesses stay open and the economy limping along.

I agree that we're likely past the point where lockdowns will be quite as effective as they were at the start. There's been too much mixing in the public spheres. But if people would grow up and practice proper social distancing and wear masks, we could aggregate drive the system to a better place and overall help the economy.
 
roguenuke said:
No, because many will not only die with it, many that wouldn't have had to, but more will also likely die from other illnesses/injuries they likely wouldn't have if not for some overcrowded hospitals.

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Yes, and still we know so little about the virus. There has been little real national coordination.

We do not know what the long term effects of having had the virus might mean. We do not know how the virus effects children in the long term. We do not if there are or will be developmental effects among children who have had COVID.

It would be foolish to open the country up at this point when we know that masks, social distancing and proper handwashing do help prevent the spread of the virus.

And yes, because of COVID hospitalization there are people who cannot receive needed procedures and operations that are not COVID related.

Just today we learned that nearly half of the emergency calls to the Phoenix Fire Department, 5th largest fire department in the US, are COVID related. At present 77 members of the PFD have COVID. America continues to ask/expect first responders, medical professionals, people on the front lines who serve the public to step up. It's time all Americans step up and do their part.
 
ikari said:
the problem is that the "open it all up folk" tend to be the same assholes who won't wear a mask or social distance while in public. We could be opening up sooner and with less economic impact if people would just wear a mask. But some would rather tilt at windmills than be part of a solution.

If we were all reasonable and adult, if we wore masks and social distanced, we could help slow the spread of covid and help businesses stay open and the economy limping along.

I agree that we're likely past the point where lockdowns will be quite as effective as they were at the start. There's been too much mixing in the public spheres. But if people would grow up and practice proper social distancing and wear masks, we could aggregate drive the system to a better place and overall help the economy.
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Exactly!
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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Along with major encouragement to social distance, , wash hands etc.

I think by now it looks like it will move slow enough not to overwhelm the system, which is the main goal.


Keep in mind the restrictions come with a lot of human suffering and costs too.
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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That's what's going to happen, whether you like it, or not.

There's no way the people are going to go along with another lockdown after ignoring the riots.
 
swing_voter said:
America 404 deaths per million population


Korea 6



Korea checked the virus and so they didn't shut down. Their economy never stopped and they didn't pay out $3 trillion dollars in stimulus money.

Korea is our ally, we could've just asked them to tell us about how they were planning on dealing with the virus and they would've told us.


It's a great tragedy that we handled COVID19 so poorly.
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The UK, France, Sweden, Belgium, Italy, Spain all have worse death rates than we do and places like Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Peru will soon pass us by. Im not sure why Asian countries like SK, Japan, Hong Kong and even China (if you believe their numbers) were able to escape this and a place like Belgium has the highest death rate in the world.
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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The consequences will be devastating.

In 2020 alone, at least 500,000 dead Americans just from COVID-19, plus tens (if not hundreds) of thousands more in collateral damage -- e.g. people who cannot or will not go to a hospital or doctor, even though they need urgent care.

Death is only part of the problem. 10-20% of those infected with COVID-19 will need to be hospitalized, and some of those will have long-term consequences, primarily lung damage. We don't even know all the long-term effects.

We also don't know whether recovery confers immunity, or for how long. It is possible that recovery only makes you immune for, say, 6 months or a year. That could mean wave after wave before a virus is developed, tested, and doses manufactured by the billions.

Oh, and the economy will still be trashed. I assure you, the vast majority of people won't want to go to bars and churches and concerts while we're digging mass graves.

So no, it is most certainly NOT acceptable, or even remotely intelligent, to just "go back to normal."
 
independentusa said:
Trump supporters on this message board argue against any restriction or requirement that government might impose to try and stop the virus, so should we listen to them and just open it all up and just live with it and any problems that creates. That is what Trump is saying. What do you think will be the consequences of such a move and are you willing to accept those consequences as just a part of life?
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That's what's going to happen, whether you like it, or not.

There's no way the people are going to go along with another lockdown after ignoring the riots.
 
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