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Anger and hatred

Citizen said:
Why do you hate democrats. Is it because you are told to do so. Do you judge every person by their political affiliation
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They are deplorables.
 
dex4974 said:
I once heard that the people that least deserve your compassion are the ones that need it the most.
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Dopamine is an addiction.
 
dex4974 said:
Would anybody argue against the idea that it exists in the hearts of many people all over the political spectrum? Is it useful? Constructive? Do you have anger and hatred in your heart? I'm sure it's justified, but is it worth it? Do you need it? Does it hurt you? Buddha said that holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. What's your opinion on that statement? How do we understand each other and see each other as humans with so much anger and hatred everywhere? Do you see the other side as human?
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I make it a practice to let go of anger because if nothing else, that anger hurts me at least as much. Plus, its immoral (at least from my perspective of morality).
 
dex4974 said:
Would anybody argue against the idea that it exists in the hearts of many people all over the political spectrum?
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It exists in everyone, how it is processed though can easily be reflected in someone's politics. Not all "anger" is created equal. Are you drunk on it? On your motivated by it? Are you strengthen by it? Is it against yourself? Against specific people as some form of revenge? Against concepts/patterns? Does it determine your views or merely express one motived by other more constructive emotions?

Is it useful?
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It is an evolution to those who find themselves stuck in lowers levels of personal hell, where fear and shame debilitating them from living on their own terms. In the political context however, it's far more nuanced, as politics as a macro-manifestation of the diversity and evolution of personal experience; contexts mattering far more than condition. Indeed it is better question to ask why anyone is angry, rather than if they are angry. If is subjective and meaningless without a context. For example, the angriest people can appear the calmest. Anger directed toward life/god, as a concept, frames all experience, in so so much as those who see God(concept of ultimate purpose) as vengeful can not help but see themselves as antagonistic, bleed anger into every motivation. This anger is the most pernicious as it is the most all encompassing. Comparatively, we have a person who can appear streaming out the ears on one issue or another, yet in so much as viewing that same principle(God as concept) as divine wisdom, which far exceeds comprehension, such anger is far less a driver and rather an out branch of love toward that some concept(that they value more than life itself), in so much, the fiery anger is the national expression of passion and meaningfulness, where the threat or person poses to the sanctity of life and truth not anger that's truly being expressed.

Said more simply, what form do you mean?
Anger as a motivator for a person who feels meaningless and at odds with society and the world. (burn it all down)
Anger as an expression of a person motived and embolden by love, and who zeal is expressed as such, for there is no limit to how passionately they would defend against that which threatens. (I will kill him)

Constructive?
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From the outside, yes. Angry people get s**t done.
From the inside, no, Anger only appears motivating, in fact an instinctual rebellion(temper tantrum) against life. A survival response.

Anger as a motived can only be constructed if rooted in love, which will forgo the payoff and subsequent addiction. The biggest lie, out there is you can rationalize it. IF you don't address the payoff, anger will always consume you and once drunk, burn all you love and care for to the ground.

Do*you*have anger and hatred in your heart?
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Of course, these emotions are welcome. They are a natural part of the human condition. Hatred as a response to feeling condemned. Anger as a response to those who who antagonize. They are funny though, as so often are they self defeating, but they have their roles to play.

I'm sure it's justified, but is it worth it?
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What you hide only grows in the dark. You can pretend you don't hate, you don't anger, but that only indicates you have infused all things with it and wouldn't recognize it when it smacked you in the nose. Do you feel there are vengeful and antagonistic people/systems in the world? It is only right to feel anger for these things. Forgo the payoff and it will dissipate, no need to run.

Do you need it?
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LOL why is it always the addicts the feel the most need for an authoritarian alternative. It's addicting, sure.

Does it hurt you?
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No, if I choose to burn the world. Watch me.

Buddha said that holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. What's your opinion on that statement?
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Jokes make light of the hardest to accept truths; the listener so quickly wants to miss the freedom offered in the humor. The quest is inward….

How do we understand each other and see each other as humans with so much anger and hatred everywhere?
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LOL, it is not good to run from what we are…savage little creatures, but without which our way of life could not be…

Do you see the other side as human?
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All to well. That's exactly why I know so well they're capable of great evil, even unknowingly.
 
dex4974 said:
That's okay. Why do you hate Democrats?
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Simple, they(as a group) represent evil. That is to say, it doesn't matter that as humans, they are innocent just doing what they think is best. As folks, no hate to be found except on a one to one basis. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions. You wouldn't use the word "democrat" if it was about the people, as the people are a lot more than their collective political identity or professed beliefs. I guarantee if you asked most democrats, why are you a democrat. They might answer something like "to share the benefits of society with more people". Great. Those who hate the democrats don't disagree with that goal or its variants. It's not about the people. The reason, one might hate the democrats is they see their actions as evil. A cancer destroying what is virtuous and good. The things you love, like family, the community you enjoy, the principles you hold dear: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hate of republicans is not different, but instead of experiences, you often hear more academic ideas, like they're pushing authoritarianism, systemic racism, patriarchy.

The angry you fear, is reflected not in the statement you read, but the response you ignored.
"You hate me, but you've never met me? Weird." || "So, if a family member, let's say a child, becomes a Democrat, you'll hate them?" || "All of them?"

In all 3 responses, you see the same autistic or willful misinterpretation: personalization.

"I like most folks, I hate democrats." is never talking about you, or your child, or every person who voted Hillary in 2016 — it talks about the collective actions, ideology, and destruction of the thing the person finds important. i.e. I like all people until they act evil or I like all people expect when they murder, rape, steal...

sub-textually, though all 3 responses add a new idea into the mix: "you can not be separated from your political affiliation"

That subtextual assumption, is a statement motivated in anger, as it shows the narrow rage is direct at the person. e.g. I hate you for….rather then aimed at the "choice" any innocent person might make.

Again, reflected with "You feel sorry for me but have never met me. Weird."
in other words, you've completely misread the emotional motivations. You autistic a**.

and when saying,
"Carrying hate like that is always sad and painful. I feel sorry for you too."

You're just highlighting the point, straw-manning or projecting your misinterpretation rather than seeking the intent.

And before you say, it's innocent keep in mind there are many books, like rules of radicals, that teach people to do these things. It's a known rhetoric tactic, part of an ever flourishing branch of neo-sophistry, encouraged and taught in our primary education system. A topic for another day, perhaps.
 
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It is very possible that hate and anger are natural, ingrained responses to cope with overpopulation. When our species gets to a certain level of overcrowding, we spread out. That’s why nature relies on territories, herds, and flocks, which separate one group of the same species from another. When there is no room to expand, nature imposes the need to thin population numbers, and various conditioned and biological responses kick in like decreased fertility, increased suicide, or communicable disease cross-infects individual territories. When nature has used all its external effects, HATE and ANGER kicks in, and we start to kill each other on massive scales.

Society rejects and aggressively punishes blatant violence like beatings and murder, so the next viable alternatives are deadly riots against sub-groups that are most vulnerable, and/or all out war. It takes a lot of hate and anger to go to war, but humans have the capacity and technology to wage war both on internal and global levels. Once social distancing is achieved, hate and anger levels go down, and compassion and empathy kicks in. Try as many of us may to suppress and contain hate and anger, there is no escaping these natural and necessary instincts; unsustainable overcrowding will eventually eliminate an invasive species (like humans) completely. We are getting too close.
 
Conaeolos said:
Simple, they(as a group) represent evil. That is to say, it doesn't matter that as humans, they are innocent just doing what they think is best. As folks, no hate to be found except on a one to one basis. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions. You wouldn't use the word "democrat" if it was about the people, as the people are a lot more than their collective political identity or professed beliefs. I guarantee if you asked most democrats, why are you a democrat. They might answer something like "to share the benefits of society with more people". Great. Those who hate the democrats don't disagree with that goal or its variants. It's not about the people. The reason, one might hate the democrats is they see their actions as evil. A cancer destroying what is virtuous and good. The things you love, like family, the community you enjoy, the principles you hold dear: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hate of republicans is not different, but instead of experiences, you often hear more academic ideas, like they're pushing authoritarianism, systemic racism, patriarchy.
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You are incorrect... the Democrats are not evil... (The FORMER Democrats who were the SOUTHERN DIXIECRAT'S AND THE SECTION OF NORTHERN DIXIECRAT SYMPATHIZERS WITH THE CONFEDERATE IDEOLOGICAL MENTALITIES "WERE EVIL"...

You are about: 50+ years BEHIND in your political knowledge..

Because by 1968 Nixon brought the Dixiecrat Ideology to fill the ranks of Republican Party. How you do not know this is a fault of your own choosing.
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Democrats of Today, DO NOT FIGHT AGAINST WHAT HELPS AND SERVES THE PEOPLE....
Modern Day Republican continually fight against anything and everything that is of design to help people, especially if and when they think it might helps blacks and other non whites!!
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Democrats of Today, support the VALUES laid out in THE PREAMBLE to be for ALL AMERICANS. The Republicans who embrace Dixiecrat Ideology, have the same mentality of the Confederate Ideologist who created the Dixiecrats... who did not want the VALUES of the Preamble to be for Black People and Did not want to it to be for NON White People. These same types (Confederacy Ideological Republicans) wanted to ration our rights to black people, only when it benefits themselves to do so.

The Republican of today, support and promote the Ideals of the Confederate Ideologist, and embrace the same like minded agenda of the Confederates, on race based denials of the Values The Preamble supports. NO one is seeing any Democrats playing the Games of Dixiecrat Segregationist, such as calling the Police on Black People, or Promoting Racism as we've seen by the Right Wing Race Hate Groups who Identify with Republican Political Ideology.
Democrats are not running around crying about "my tax dollars"... like Republican... and then being silent when wealthy people are given continual tax concession, which Republican NEVER criticize or stand against....

Nope... thank goodness more people support Democratic Ideology of Today... and stand against the Republicanism and the Evils it embraces and tries to promote.

Democratic know exactly why they are Democrats, especially those whom understand and embrace the principles of Liberality and Equality of Person as Individual ... the ones who don't are already know s Right Leaning who do not embrace the principles of Liberalism, which exist only within the framework of Equality of Person as Individual.

We watched the damages the Republicans continue to do to the nation and the people of the nations and how they have damaged global diplomacy and push their anti-brown skin agenda overtly... and incessantly.
 
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The Old Soul said:
It is very possible that hate and anger are natural, ingrained responses to cope with overpopulation. When our species gets to a certain level of overcrowding, we spread out. That’s why nature relies on territories, herds, and flocks, which separate one group of the same species from another. When there is no room to expand, nature imposes the need to thin population numbers, and various conditioned and biological responses kick in like decreased fertility, increased suicide, or communicable disease cross-infects individual territories. When nature has used all its external effects, HATE and ANGER kicks in, and we start to kill each other on massive scales.

Society rejects and aggressively punishes blatant violence like beatings and murder, so the next viable alternatives are deadly riots against sub-groups that are most vulnerable, and/or all out war. It takes a lot of hate and anger to go to war, but humans have the capacity and technology to wage war both on internal and global levels. Once social distancing is achieved, hate and anger levels go down, and compassion and empathy kicks in. Try as many of us may to suppress and contain hate and anger, there is no escaping these natural and necessary instincts; unsustainable overcrowding will eventually eliminate an invasive species (like humans) completely. We are getting too close.
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Every Race and Ethnicity of People is GUILTY of Irresponsible Reproduction !!!
 
The Old Soul said:
It is very possible that hate and anger are natural, ingrained responses to cope with overpopulation. When our species gets to a certain level of overcrowding, we spread out. That’s why nature relies on territories, herds, and flocks, which separate one group of the same species from another. When there is no room to expand, nature imposes the need to thin population numbers, and various conditioned and biological responses kick in like decreased fertility, increased suicide, or communicable disease cross-infects individual territories. When nature has used all its external effects, HATE and ANGER kicks in, and we start to kill each other on massive scales.

Society rejects and aggressively punishes blatant violence like beatings and murder, so the next viable alternatives are deadly riots against sub-groups that are most vulnerable, and/or all out war. It takes a lot of hate and anger to go to war, but humans have the capacity and technology to wage war both on internal and global levels. Once social distancing is achieved, hate and anger levels go down, and compassion and empathy kicks in. Try as many of us may to suppress and contain hate and anger, there is no escaping these natural and necessary instincts; unsustainable overcrowding will eventually eliminate an invasive species (like humans) completely. We are getting too close.
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Hate and Anger are rooted in "Evil's"...

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Man was given the ability to Reason, that he may choose not to be over-wrought by such!!!
 
Conaeolos said:
Simple, they(as a group) represent evil.
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I think evil is a somewhat cartoonish concept that is rarely applicable to reality. A lot of left wingers probably feel the way you do about the right. What is the best way to face such an evil?
 
dex4974 said:
I think evil is a somewhat cartoonish concept that is rarely applicable to reality. A lot of left wingers probably feel the way you do about the right. What is the best way to face such an evil?
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By first dropping the hyperbole. Then focusing on the issues you have in common. After that focus difference while keeping the end goal in site. It also helps if you try to listen and understand what they other side is saying instead of trying to always prove them wrong.
 
dex4974 said:
I think evil is a somewhat cartoonish concept that is rarely applicable to reality. A lot of left wingers probably feel the way you do about the right. What is the best way to face such an evil?
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If you think there is anything cartoonish about the long history of right wing mentality that "enslaved, hung black people, tortured, raped and every type of atrocity that exist of malice and mayhem and madness ", or the additional acts of overt savagery that saw them desiccate the Native American Indians... and over the Centuries have engaged acts of Prejudice against people from various counters of birth origin... to the modern day separation's of parents from their kids and have absolutely no conscience concerns for having and continuing to do so. There is a level of Overt and Incessant Ignorance within what is Right Wing Conservative Make up... No, there is nothing Cartoonish about it. 'Evil is Real"... and to deny it, is to embrace it, while trying to make reservations for its continuance. That's the Evil that was bred and groomed into people who bought into the lie of "white superiority"... and those who spread and promoted the vile of white nationalism, whom are of the same as the Confederate Ideology which lusted for slavery and had a hatred in their hearts against the abolitions of slavery, so ingrained they went to war against the Liberalities and Principles of Human Equality that the United States Declarations of Independence Declared as a core principle of its drafting.

Absolutely nothing cartoonish about it... what it is "Ghoulish" and infested with Avarice.... that respect of humanity takes a back seat to the incessant greed and savagery that such greed breeds.

Today... it is the same mentality of many of those with deep embraces of white nationalist ideals, who "can't" (by willful choice of vain ignorance and greed obsessions) get along and live in peace and cooperation on terms of respect for human equality with other Multi-cultural People.
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RealityNow said:
Hate and Anger are rooted in "Evil's"...

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Man was given the ability to Reason, that he may choose not to be over-wrought by such!!!
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Hate and anger Are evil when used improperly, but they can be good and useful when the 'fight or flight' response kicks in, and reason needs to be over-ridden for self preservation or defense of good. Sometimes hate and anger are called into play when reacting to the unreasonable and irreconcilable; if an out-of-control individual is pummeling a family member during the commission of a crime/assault, and there is no way to stop the assault other than a shovel against the back of the head, a little anger and hate helps .

Or if on the battle field, and its a matter of kill or be killed.
Humans are violent by, but required to control themselves in the majority of situations.
 
dex4974 said:
I do my best to resist my human tendency to feel anger and hatred for those that seek to move the world in a direction I think is wrong. I recognize that anger and hatred are poisonous and destructive. I believe that patience, compassion and introspection are all necessary for healing to happen. Now are you capable of turning the lens on yourself rather than pointing fingers and stoking the fire?
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There are issues that should be hated.
 
RealityNow said:
If you think there is anything cartoonish about the long history of right wing mentality that "enslaved, hung black people, tortured, raped and every type of atrocity that exist of malice and mayhem and madness ", or the additional acts of overt savagery that saw them desiccate the Native American Indians... and over the Centuries have engaged acts of Prejudice against people from various counters of birth origin... to the modern day separation's of parents from their kids and have absolutely no conscience concerns for having and continuing to do so. There is a level of Overt and Incessant Ignorance within what is Right Wing Conservative Make up... No, there is nothing Cartoonish about it. 'Evil is Real"... and to deny it, is to embrace it, while trying to make reservations for its continuance. That's the Evil that was bred and groomed into people who bought into the lie of "white superiority"... and those who spread and promoted the vile of white nationalism, whom are of the same as the Confederate Ideology which lusted for slavery and had a hatred in their hearts against the abolitions of slavery, so ingrained they went to war against the Liberalities and Principles of Human Equality that the United States Declarations of Independence Declared as a core principle of its drafting.

Absolutely nothing cartoonish about it... what it is "Ghoulish" and infested with Avarice.... that respect of humanity takes a back seat to the incessant greed and savagery that such greed breeds.
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There are no objective evils in my opinion, only subjective.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Hypocrites.
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Many Republicans are hypocrites too. Do you have them? Why does hypocrisy or ignorance deserve hatred? You won't get through to people with hate. You'll only get them to hate you back.
 
dex4974 said:
Many Republicans are hypocrites too. Do you have them? Why does hypocrisy or ignorance deserve hatred? You won't get through to people with hate. You'll only get them to hate you back.
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Yes I do. I despise Governor Charlie Baker. RINOS are far more filthier than dems.
 
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