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Patriotism Is Becoming ‘White Supremacy’

Michael Cole said:
Oh they're focused alright. Just not on anything rational or relevant.
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Hi! Thanks for posting.

Some appear focused on "we vs. 'them'", with 'them' not given the respect due to fellow members of 'We, the people'.

Once a politician can define 'them' as not worthy of full respect, what you can do to 'them' is perhaps indicated by President of the United States of America Donald Trump's comment about what can be done to women. It is not a good basis for a moral society.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
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Addendum.

It should be noted that it was 1920 before women in the United States of America were considered worthy of being given the right to vote. Attention is also directed to the progress of the Equal Rights Amendment through the various state legislatures.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Torus34 said:
Addendum.

It should be noted that it was 1920 before women in the United States of America were considered worthy of being given the right to vote. Attention is also directed to the progress of the Equal Rights Amendment through the various state legislatures.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
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It wasn't until 1969 that women's contraceptives were legal in all states. Women know the history, the defeats and the slow progress of the right to make personal decisions about reproduction without religious interference that's why so many women are adamant that the religious right not be allowed to overturn Roe or make abortion and women's contraceptives illegal again.
 
weaver2 said:
It wasn't until 1969 that women's contraceptives were legal in all states. Women know the history, the defeats and the slow progress of the right to make personal decisions about reproduction without religious interference that's why so many women are adamant that the religious right not be allowed to overturn Roe or make abortion and women's contraceptives illegal again.
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The religious right has a number of things to address. One is the parable of the Good Samaritan [Luke 10: 25-37] as it relates to instituting a system of universal medical coverage in these benighted United States of America.

It's interesting to quote President of the United States of America Donald Trump on this:

“I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health … We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.”

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
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Schism said:
The cops in Minnesota were charged, the cop in Atlanta has been charged, the white pickup truck vigilantes were charged with murder.

What are you talking about?
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Good, progress may happen after 150 years. That's good news. Shall we not pretend that those previous 150 years f murders didn't happen and everything is jolly now that three incidents have been attended too.
 
Schism said:
The cops in Minnesota were charged, the cop in Atlanta has been charged, the white pickup truck vigilantes were charged with murder.

What are you talking about?
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Yes, thanks to the protest
 
Citizen said:
Yes, thanks to the protest
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You can't conflate one with the other. Over the last 10 years, who are the cops and vigilantes that got away with murder.

Be specific. Cite the cases. What were the legal arguments? What was the final disposition?
 
weaver2 said:
Good, progress may happen after 150 years. That's good news. Shall we not pretend that those previous 150 years f murders didn't happen and everything is jolly now that three incidents have been attended too.
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What murders are we rioting over? The ones from 150 years ago?

Do you have any cases from the past 10-15 years you want to cite and discuss the legal outcomes?
 
Puigb;1072222704[B said:
]It's already been debunked all over this forum. [/B] You have no argument. You literally went to the whitehouse website to argue for your worthless leader, because you can't do so on your own without talking points given to you specifically by him or his bootlickers.
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No it hasn't. Partisan sniping, complaining, whining, and dismissing isn't debunking.

Go ahead and dismantle each achievement from that list and demonstrate how it's not an accomplishment of GOP/Trump policy.

You can't. All you can claim is, "it's done been debunked" nonsense. Prove it.
 
Schism said:
You can't conflate one with the other. Over the last 10 years, who are the cops and vigilantes that got away with murder.

Be specific. Cite the cases. What were the legal arguments? What was the final disposition?
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There are many, most we don’t even know about because it is the word of the police and vigilantes against the dead victims. Thanks to videos there is a way to keep track of all of this. BLM helped push for laws to have body cams on police
 
Citizen said:
There are many, most we don’t even know about because it is the word of the police and vigilantes against the dead victims. Thanks to videos there is a way to keep track of all of this. BLM helped push for laws to have body cams on police
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There are some. That doesn't make the case for systemic racism among LEO nationwide.

It makes the case that some people who are cops crossed the line. I support justice for the victims.

What I don't support is criminals assaulting cops, getting killed in the process, and being deified by a rage mob.
 
Schism said:
No it hasn't. Partisan sniping, complaining, whining, and dismissing isn't debunking.

Go ahead and dismantle each achievement from that list and demonstrate how it's not an accomplishment of GOP/Trump policy.

You can't. All you can claim is, "it's done been debunked" nonsense. Prove it.
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It's ok, we both know you have no argument in Trump's favor, so you literally posted a link to the "official whitehouse" website to prove your non existent point.

Heck, about the only thing Trump did better than Obama was drone strike people, something you predictably ignore.
 
Puigb said:
It's ok, we both know you have no argument in Trump's favor, so you literally posted a link to the "official whitehouse" website to prove your non existent point.

Heck, about the only thing Trump did better than Obama was drone strike people, something you predictably ignore.
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It's a list of Trump's accomplishments while in office. You can't dismantle a single one.

LOL. Keep swinging your purse. All you're doing is spilling lip gloss and breathe mints everywhere.
 
Schism said:
It's a list of Trump's accomplishments while in office. You can't dismantle a single one.

LOL. Keep swinging your purse. All you're doing is spilling lip gloss and breathe mints everywhere.
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LOL, the whole nonsense about " record unemployment" has already been dismantled. Everyone who isn't a drooling MAGA voting idiot knows the orange one inherited a decently strong economy, that he completely blow to hell due to his failures as a leader during this pandemic, from essentially dismissing it in the beginning, up until this week where he slowly "recommended" masks.

Again, you have no argument. You literally went to the whitehouse website where one of his bootlickers listed non existent "accomplishments" that the moron himself can't even run on, which is why he's spending his time defending confederate statues he doesn't give a crap about, or tweeting about Nascar drivers.
 
Schism said:
There are some. That doesn't make the case for systemic racism among LEO nationwide.

It makes the case that some people who are cops crossed the line. I support justice for the victims.

What I don't support is criminals assaulting cops, getting killed in the process, and being deified by a rage mob.
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Well you should have not turned a blind eye when Kaepernick took a knee. It always comes to this doesn’t it
 
Citizen said:
There are many, most we don’t even know about because it is the word of the police and vigilantes against the dead victims. Thanks to videos there is a way to keep track of all of this. BLM helped push for laws to have body cams on police
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Of course. This should be general knowledge. I'd love to hear a Trumpist argue it's all a coincidence. (Nah. It's surely a conspiracy.) Trump's only job (Twitter) can, and has come back to bite him in the ass. Everything Trump has ever done bit him in the ass. Only difference now is there are people he can't buy off. And video. And Twitter. Poor Trump.

It's funny how everyone sees Trump as a victim, but only the NeverTrumpers see the reality; Trump is a victim of himself.
 
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Puigb said:
LOL, the whole nonsense about " record unemployment" has already been dismantled. Everyone who isn't a drooling MAGA voting idiot knows the orange one inherited a decently strong economy, that he completely blow to hell due to his failures as a leader during this pandemic, from essentially dismissing it in the beginning, up until this week where he slowly "recommended" masks.

Again, you have no argument. You literally went to the whitehouse website where one of his bootlickers listed non existent "accomplishments" that the moron himself can't even run on, which is why he's spending his time defending confederate statues he doesn't give a crap about, or tweeting about Nascar drivers.
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The redundancy of the "accomplishments" was dizzying.

1) The economy, jobs.
2) The economy, unemployment.
3) The economy, jobs, blacks.
4) The economy, unemployment, blacks.
5) The economy, jobs, Hispanics.
6) The economy, unemployment, Hispanics.
7) The economy, jobs, Asians.
8) The economy, unemployment, Asians.
9) The economy, wages.
10) The economy, wages, blacks.

Holy ****! There's 10 accomplishments right there. TEN! And we haven't even started on the stock market.

The list wasn't worthy of a freshmen ENG102 assignment.
 
Puigb said:
LOL, the whole nonsense about " record unemployment" has already been dismantled. Everyone who isn't a drooling MAGA voting idiot knows the orange one inherited a decently strong economy, that he completely blow to hell due to his failures as a leader during this pandemic, from essentially dismissing it in the beginning, up until this week where he slowly "recommended" masks.

Again, you have no argument. You literally went to the whitehouse website where one of his bootlickers listed non existent "accomplishments" that the moron himself can't even run on, which is why he's spending his time defending confederate statues he doesn't give a crap about, or tweeting about Nascar drivers.
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Still can't disprove a single accomplishment with facts or data.

You're argument is, "everybody knows", "Obama's economy" LOL.

I think what everybody knows now is that you can't disprove a single accomplishment out of the 4-5 dozen listed.
 
Schism said:
Still can't disprove a single accomplishment with facts or data.

You're argument is, "everybody knows", "Obama's economy" LOL.

I think what everybody knows now is that you can't disprove a single accomplishment out of the 4-5 dozen listed.
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Low-bar accomplishments. Don't write home about 'em.

Now, we can move on to the high-bar accomplishments.

Race relations.
Economy.
Pandemic.

Fail, fail, fail. Sucks, I know.
 
Visbek said:
What fresh bull**** is this?

The former traitor states were not "caught up in a tragic situation." They literally sundered the nation in two and went to war to perpetuate slavery.
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The civil war was a tragic situation for the country.
How it was handled after the war is a model for how other countries ought deal with an aftermath of such an unfortunate situation.

Yes, it is.

The vast majority of Americans no longer see any reason to keep Confederate statues around. NASCAR is banning the Confederate battle flag. Even Mississippi is taking the Confederate battle flag off of the state flag. Nor is it "mindless and ignorant" to realize that traitors and racists don't deserve monuments.
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As above.
It should be pointed out that its not simply Confederate statues are being dismantled.


Repetition is not an argument.
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Its not quite repetition. Those dividing the country are not the ones objecting to the statues being pulled down.

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So what? Trump gets to lie to the public and spread the virus wider, because the virus first jumped to humans in Wuhan? That's completely absurd.

Infection rates and death rates are declining. The sharp uptick seems to be in relation to all the protests of late.
Don't think Trump can be blamed for that.
There is some thinking that Covid has mutated and that it is more virulent, though not more deadly.
But a lot is up in the air.
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Michael Cole said:
And yet, as we meet here tonight, there is a growing danger that threatens every blessing our ancestors fought so hard for, struggled, they bled to secure.

Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children.

AUDIENCE: Booo —

THE PRESIDENT: Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our Founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities. Many of these people have no idea why they are doing this, but some know exactly what they are doing. They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive. But no, the American people are strong and proud, and they will not allow our country, and all of its values, history, and culture, to be taken from them. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA!

THE PRESIDENT: One of their political weapons is “Cancel Culture” — driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and our values, and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America. (Applause.) This attack on our liberty, our magnificent liberty, must be stopped, and it will be stopped very quickly. We will expose this dangerous movement, protect our nation’s children, end this radical assault, and preserve our beloved American way of life. (Applause.)

In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished. It’s not going to happen to us. (Applause.)

Make no mistake: this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution. In so doing, they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress.

To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Not on my watch! (Applause.)

Transcript of President Trump Speech During Mount Rushmore July 4th Celebration… | The Last Refuge

On the taxpayer dime. Despicable.
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That sounds exactly like Hitler 101...
 
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