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My body, my choice.

With position of hateful deluded leftists is:
' To hell with human lives until the fetus miraculously turns into a baby at some point shortly after birth.'

Yup and once the baby pops out republicans are like 'pull yourself up by your own bootstraps'. First breath of air, that fetus becomes a baby.
 
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Maybe these ppl realize the truth RE the virus.. namely, that an extremely low number die from it

Whereas in abortion 100 percent die

Compare apples to..... giraffes much?

The loony Left are losing all credibility

For those of us in the know, however, that happened a LONG LONG time ago

Think there's been over a hundred and thirty thousand abortions this year?
 
See, how can liberalism not be a mental disorder?


Chances of taking a life of another from abortion: 100% but "my body, my choice" does apply.
Chances of taking a life of another from not wearing a mask: 1:34,000,000. but "my body, my choice" doesn't apply.

:peace , But keep up with the literal reading of jokes.

You republicans don't seem to get the message it's about choice. Who the hell is any man to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Who?
 
Once again, a fetus is not a baby. Ever hear a fetus cry because its diaper was soiled? It's not a baby until it takes its first breath of air.

Right, so it can't possibly be entitled to any right until the magic moment it's born huh? At the point, all of it's consciousness magically appears! Nonsense.
 
Do you support my right to ingest, inhale, or inject any drug I wish into my own body?

Your ingestion of drugs is unlikely to kill anyone else except you; not wearing a mask may well kill someone else. Do you have anything you actually thought through before posting to offer?
 
Right, so it can't possibly be entitled to any right until the magic moment it's born huh? At the point, all of it's consciousness magically appears! Nonsense.

Correct. Republicans put the fetus above the woman as if a blob of cells has more rights. When you plant an oak seed and it starts to grow is it a tree or a seedling?
 
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With position of hateful deluded leftists is:
' To hell with human lives until the fetus miraculously turns into a baby at some point shortly after birth.'

And yours is to hell with it after it is born. which is worse?
 
Correct. Republicans put the fetus above the woman as if a blob of cells has more rights. When you plant an oak seed and it starts to grow is it a tree or a seedling?

So, let's investigate this further. Baby, 1 hour after being born is fully human, 1 hour before being born is not. We're not talking about laws now... I'm asking for your moral reading of this hypothetical. Is this your position?
 
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Correct. Republicans put the fetus above the woman as if a blob of cells has more rights. When you plant an oak seed and it starts to grow is it a tree or a seedling?

When you say blob of cells, you realize this description fits the woman just as much as the fetus, don't you?
 
Who the hell is any man to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body? Who?
Are you trying to claim in the vast majority of cases, women don't engage in voluntary acts which they know can result in the creation of life?
Rights and freedoms come with responsibilities. We're all accountable to the difficult circumstances our choices bring. I am not a fool, I realize the fragility of most pregnancies, how miscarriages are common, and although tragic isn't as tragic as a kid dying of cancer. Thay doesn't mean willfully ending half a million to million lives a year, and speaking about it like it's just another medical procedure isn't a heinously immoral stain on us as a society. "my body, my choice" is a disgusting and selfish saying, and I think it's hilarious, now that we're in a situation where it better applies, we can give a double middle finger to both the authoritarian aspects and immoral aspects at the same time with such a simple saying.

If we flippantly refused to acknowledge a request to protect against the unique risks of covid when attending Grandma's birthday, and she dies as a result. I sure as hell wouldn't blink an eye if one was held responsible. A willful disregard which results in death is prosecutable. The entire point, is the risks of your fear porn is so remote, even with those laws, we still aren't going to wear these stupid masks when healthy. I am all too happy to acknowledge there is educated disagreement, like what Ethel2 provided, it doesn't change that this theoretical mass compliance and new high standard of obedience which would be necessary to achieve the desired results isn't going to happen. We make individual choices like women do when they engage in sex which can lead to pregnancy. We understand there are risks and take responsibility for the fact interacting when a virus is going about means we are likely to be in that chain. That choice doesn't make one any more responsible for some tangentially related death, any more than me selling tools would make me responsible when someone takes an axe I sold them and kills their neighbour.

Interactions, the core issue at play tend to be voluntary. The essential logic to all of this is no different than that of being surveilled 24/7, as who needs privacy except those with something to hide. Healthy people not interacting with the highrisk obtain nor offer any benefit from a mask. Doing something pointless in the name of health has always been considered dangerous. For example, placebos work to some degree. Does that mean it should be ethical for your doctor to treat you with a placebo when there is no other treatment? Come on, this is ridiculous. If you want to wear a mask, it's recommended, to avoid possibly spreading the virus. No one stopping anyone from following the advice. I've read the advice, it's narrow-sighted, overly theoretical trash.
 
Good for you.

That's not the issue at hand though.

I'm asking what in your mind makes it a reasonable argument to state that a baby that is about to be born tomorrow should not be regarded with the same integrity or consideration as a baby that has just been born. I'd wager there is no apparent difference in such a small amount of time, yet a hard divide exists withing the narrow time span that seemingly intelligent people latch onto as if it's regarded as some universal truth. It is not a truth, but the choice has been made for pragmatic reasons alone (i.e. to provide a law for a framework of decision making). My point is, this position is often taken as an actual truth while it is demonstrably wrong, and as for the link provided to me, that basically argues that although the biological constructs exist for higher function, the fetus isn't yet self-aware in the same way as an adult and and is often in a sleep state. There seems to be no acknowledgement of incredible biological machinery that does exists and this the unborn child has a ton of ability to uptake and consolidate information, and given only a small amount of time will mold itself into an active participant within it's environment.

I have no problem with abortion on the face of it, unless there exists a mind that could at some level, begin to process stimuli and adapt itself to the environment around it. This appears to be around week 16, which I personally consider my own moral cutoff of considering this 'clump of cells' as quasi-child. This formative period and development is the very definition of a spectrum, and with each passing moment, that fetus is becoming ever-more childlike. Laws are laws, fine, but they exist to attempt to provide meaningful protections to individuals and societies, and as such can be seen as a proxy to some society moral code. My morals, after careful consideration, do not align with this law as written.
 
Are you trying to claim in the vast majority of cases, women don't engage in voluntary acts which they know can result in the creation of life?
Rights and freedoms come with responsibilities. We're all accountable to the difficult circumstances our choices bring. I am not a fool, I realize the fragility of most pregnancies, how miscarriages are common, and although tragic isn't as tragic as a kid dying of cancer. Thay doesn't mean willfully ending half a million to million lives a year, and speaking about it like it's just another medical procedure isn't a heinously immoral stain on us as a society. "my body, my choice" is a disgusting and selfish saying, and I think it's hilarious, now that we're in a situation where it better applies, we can give a double middle finger to both the authoritarian aspects and immoral aspects at the same time with such a simple saying.

If we flippantly refused to acknowledge a request to protect against the unique risks of covid when attending Grandma's birthday, and she dies as a result. I sure as hell wouldn't blink an eye if one was held responsible. A willful disregard which results in death is prosecutable. The entire point, is the risks of your fear porn is so remote, even with those laws, we still aren't going to wear these stupid masks when healthy. I am all too happy to acknowledge there is educated disagreement, like what Ethel2 provided, it doesn't change that this theoretical mass compliance and new high standard of obedience which would be necessary to achieve the desired results isn't going to happen. We make individual choices like women do when they engage in sex which can lead to pregnancy. We understand there are risks and take responsibility for the fact interacting when a virus is going about means we are likely to be in that chain. That choice doesn't make one any more responsible for some tangentially related death, any more than me selling tools would make me responsible when someone takes an axe I sold them and kills their neighbour.

Interactions, the core issue at play tend to be voluntary. The essential logic to all of this is no different than that of being surveilled 24/7, as who needs privacy except those with something to hide. Healthy people not interacting with the highrisk obtain nor offer any benefit from a mask. Doing something pointless in the name of health has always been considered dangerous. For example, placebos work to some degree. Does that mean it should be ethical for your doctor to treat you with a placebo when there is no other treatment? Come on, this is ridiculous. If you want to wear a mask, it's recommended, to avoid possibly spreading the virus. No one stopping anyone from following the advice. I've read the advice, it's narrow-sighted, overly theoretical trash.

I was so with you after reading your first paragraph, I completely agree... but you lost me with the mask thing. Masking is an easy and cheap way to keep infections at bay and keep the economy moving as freely as possible. Any failure to mask is going to keep resulting in stop-start societal measures to stem the tide of infections to keep hospitals viable. It's just the easiest way to open up our economy for the cheapest price, I don't get the anti-mask thing. If anything it's a pro-economy argument.
 
Dear women, please use me for sex instead of really really serious relationships simply for the sake of equality. Remember, it is moral if you do unto others as you would have others do unto you. xoxo

Men really are for equality.
 
Your ingestion of drugs is unlikely to kill anyone else except you; not wearing a mask may well kill someone else.

Good point, so there's a much stronger case for drugs than masks when making a "my body, my choice" argument.

Do you support full legalization of all drugs including heroin and crack and no prescription drug system except for minors?
 
Good point, so there's a much stronger case for drugs than masks when making a "my body, my choice" argument.

Do you support full legalization of all drugs including heroin and crack and no prescription drug system except for minors?

Yes and no (masks absolutely should be worn). Look at what Portugal did and the success they enjoyed after decriminalising drugs. And no, I don't agree that some lethal prescription-only medications should be freely available. Recreational drugs only-including alcohol, the biggest legal killer of all, and nicotine.

Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it? | News | The Guardian

Drug decriminalisation in Portugal: setting the record straight. - Transform Drug Policy Foundation
 
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And no, I don't agree that some lethal prescription-only medications should be freely available. Recreational drugs only-including alcohol, the biggest legal killer of all, and nicotine.

So you absolutely do not support the concept of "my body, my choice". Your view is "my body, the state's choice".

Look at what Portugal did and the success they enjoyed after decriminalising drugs.

First, they didn't "decriminalize" drugs. All drugs that were illegal prior to decriminalization remained illegal. What changed is how they punish offenders, and it's only for small amounts.

Regarding the new policy's "success", it's all based on metrics I don't care about.
 
I almost choked on my lunch when I saw people protesting wearing masks and one somebody had a sign that read, my body, my choice.

Hypocrites. Totally against abortion, the my body my choice doesn't seem to apply to women only to the knuckleheads who refuse to wear a mask.

The gop has lost all credibility. Do as I say, not as I do.
And if they really cared about the sanctity of life, they would wear a mask to protect others
 
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