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Why have conservatives abandoned America???

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Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...
 
Because they have been convinced that liberals are worse.
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

Because they have been convinced that liberals are worse.

These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting thier oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.
 
These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting there oil and other energy efforts in Europe, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

Interesting assertion... How does removing Trump benefit Russia? HRC was more hawkish towards Russia in her messaging than Trump, and Biden would have to be after the Dems have been roaring about Russia for the last four years.
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

we need to just go ahead and end this country
 
These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting there oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

If it is a fantasy, it's a fantasy that could easily have been avoided by Trump himself. Instead, he chose to stoke it. Maybe the media is not who you should be blaming for this narrative?
 
These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting thier oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

How is the left involved with returning to the G8?
 
These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting thier oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

Trump has done everything in his power to drop and or delay sanctions.

He gave Russia a strategically located air base that they now occupy and use.

No president has ever been such a puppet, and "conservatives" like you defend it...
 
Interesting assertion... How does removing Trump benefit Russia? HRC was more hawkish towards Russia in her messaging than Trump, and Biden would have to be after the Dems have been roaring about Russia for the last four years.

That is the lie. The first benefit is removing a President who has demonstrated he is an actual, factual opponent of Putin. Trump smiles and pretends friendship, but acts in America's interests FIRST every time.

"On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia." Tuesday, December 31, 2019" On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia

The second benefit is replacing him with a Democrat "cypher," i.e. by a Party now focused on (IMHO) the internal sabotage of American "exceptionalism" in hopes of gaining long-term political control.

A Party whose leadership has already demonstrated tactics of "appeasement" internally (i.e. literally "bending the knee" to Socialist elements here), and while "talking tough" bodes to repeat the prior Administration's lack of actual action.

"President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years" Jen Kerns, 07/16/18 President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years | TheHill

I'd say Putin hopes Biden is elected to office, so anything that damages Trump is a positive in his eyes.
 
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That is the lie. The first benefit is removing a President who has demonstrated he is an actual, factual opponent of Putin. Trump smiles and pretends friendship, but acts in America's interests FIRST every time.

"On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia. Tuesday, December 31, 2019" On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia

The second benefit is replacing him with a Democrat "cypher," i.e. by a Party now focused on (IMHO) the internal sabotage of American "exceptionalism" in hopes of gaining long-term political control.

A Party whose leadership has already demonstrated tactics of "appeasement" internally (i.e. literally "bending the knee" to Socialist elements here), and while "talking tough" bodes to repeat the prior Administration's lack of actual action.

"President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years" Jen Kerns, 07/16/18 President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years | TheHill

I'd say Putin hopes Biden is elected to office, so anything that damages Trump is a positive in his eyes.


None of that is true and once again you are acting as a Russian apologist...
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

Because they hate blacks and minorities more than they love this country
 
That is the lie. The first benefit is removing a President who has demonstrated he is an actual, factual opponent of Putin. Trump smiles and pretends friendship, but acts in America's interests FIRST every time.

"On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia. Tuesday, December 31, 2019" On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia

The second benefit is replacing him with a Democrat "cypher," i.e. by a Party now focused on (IMHO) the internal sabotage of American "exceptionalism."

A Party whose leadership has already demonstrated tactics of "appeasement" internally (i.e. literally "bending the knee" to Socialist elements here), and while "talking tough" bodes to repeat the prior Administration's lack of actual action.

"President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years" Jen Kerns, 07/16/18 President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years | TheHill

I'd say Putin hopes Biden is elected to office, so anything that damages Trump is a positive in his eyes.

Sorry, Cap'n, I'm confused. Either Dems are harder on Russia, either by the example I gave re: what HRC was saying, or by what the Dems have been saying about Russia since Trump got in, or they are not harder on Russia, in which case they'd be preferred.

I guess it's possible that the Dems were doing a reverse Trump, showing teeth while intending smiles, but that wouldn't bode well for their reelection efforts, which is all politicians think about these days, when not thinking of how they can get rich in the office they find themselves...

I'm not sure I follow, bud.
 
These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting thier oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

I would not say Trump is in bed with Russia, but if you haven't seen your fellow cultists falling in line with Russia around here, you're blind. Perhaps intentionally.

Before Trump won, there was a poster who thought Russian troops in America was a great idea. Not kidding.
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

What motivates Republican politicians more then anything? MONEY. The Russians have been actively buying Republicans off. Trump is far from the only one. Both my Governor and Senator in Florida have taken money from Russian oligarchs.

It’s good to see Florida’s self-professed swamp drainer, Gov. Ron DeSantis, has decided to give up some of that Russian “hoax” money that flowed into his campaign last year.

DeSantis’ office announced last week that it would be returning the $50,000 his campaign political committee, The Friends of Ron DeSantis, took from a sham start-up company called Global Energy Producers, which was neither global, nor energy producing.

It was a creation of Delaware corporate paperwork magic that facilitated the transfer of money from an unnamed Russia oligarch into the coffers of Republican candidates across America, according to a federal indictment filed last week.

At the time, DeSantis, an office-seeking acolyte of President Donald Trump — the recipient of $325,000 of the secret Russian donations — was a natural target for Kremlin cash.

How DeSantis got his swamp drained by Igor, Lev, and Russian cash - News - The Palm Beach Post - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, facing foreign-money scrutiny, says two arrested donors 'appeared legitimate' | Blogs

How Putin'''s oligarchs funneled millions into GOP campaigns

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, facing foreign-money scrutiny, says two arrested donors 'appeared legitimate' | Blogs
 
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These are partisan opinions based on (IMO) a media-fed belief that our Administration has been "in-bed" with Russia since before the 2016 election results.

This despite various sanctions, undercutting thier oil and other energy efforts in Europe, opposing their mercenaries in the Middle East, and supplying Ukraine with both funding and military hardware.

IMO it is a complete fantasy that the Left is pushing (which actually serves Putin's goals) and reasonable people need to discard.

 
Right wingers have sold their collective souls to Trump.
 
Sorry, Cap'n, I'm confused. Either Dems are harder on Russia, either by the example I gave re: what HRC was saying, or by what the Dems have been saying about Russia since Trump got in, or they are not harder on Russia, in which case they'd be preferred.

You are confusing yourself it seems. The fact that they have been "saying things about Russia" is not important.

The Democrats are NOT "harder on Russia." As I said, they TALK a good game, but as always, seldom deliver. Meanwhile, Trump smiles at Putin, while punching him in the gut.
 
You are confusing yourself it seems. The fact that they have been "saying things about Russia" is not important.

The Democrats are NOT "harder on Russia." As I said, they TALK a good game, but as always, seldom deliver. Meanwhile, Trump smiles at Putin, while punching him in the gut.

Funny but it looks more like Putin was doing the punching in Helsinki.

Trump-Putin-16-July-2018-800x450.jpg
 
You are confusing yourself it seems. The fact that they have been "saying things about Russia" is not important.

The Democrats are NOT "harder on Russia." As I said, they TALK a good game, but as always, seldom deliver. Meanwhile, Trump smiles at Putin, while punching him in the gut.

No, I'm not confusing myself, Cap'n. I'm clarifying your point, because I'm interested in what you have to say.

So, the Dems are not tough on Russia, in your opinion. Ok. So, what happens to them after they've spent four years talking tough, and suddenly do a turnabout when they hit office? Do you think there would be consequences for that, in terms of their reelection? I mean, America has never been besties with Russia, but the opinion of Putin on the Left has taken a serious hit, for reasons both obvious and partisan (the perceived bromance between Trump and Putin).
 
You are confusing yourself it seems. The fact that they have been "saying things about Russia" is not important.

The Democrats are NOT "harder on Russia." As I said, they TALK a good game, but as always, seldom deliver. Meanwhile, Trump smiles at Putin, while punching him in the gut.


Please give an example of trump punching Russia in the gut.

Was it the bounties on young American soldiers that he ignores?!?

Or was it when he gave Russia an American air base?!?

I bet that hurt Putin a lot...
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

And I remember when a lot of lefties loved them (remember the reset button?) and the only reason some don’t now has nothing to do with Russia’s antagonism for the US but only because lefties think Russia is allied with the Trump.
 
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Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

Which conservatives? All conservatives? Or do you have particular conservatives in mind?
 
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And I remember when lefties loved them and the only reason they don’t now has nothing to do with Russia’s antagonism for the US but only because lefties think Russia is allied with the Trump.

Do not take the bait.
 
Russia used to be our number one nemesis, but now Republicans support there ever move.

They continually deny our inteligentce community, and believe Russia.

Why have they traded sides?

I remember when conservatives hated ruskies...

This fascination by the right with Putin and Russia started before Trump was elected. It's a bizarre fascination with and need for authoritarianism.
 
No, I'm not confusing myself, Cap'n. I'm clarifying your point, because I'm interested in what you have to say.

So, the Dems are not tough on Russia, in your opinion. Ok. So, what happens to them after they've spent four years talking tough, and suddenly do a turnabout when they hit office? Do you think there would be consequences for that, in terms of their reelection? I mean, America has never been besties with Russia, but the opinion of Putin on the Left has taken a serious hit, for reasons both obvious and partisan (the perceived bromance between Trump and Putin).

Honestly?

No.

They have the MSM (with the possible exclusions of FOX and other Center-Right/Right leaning media) in their pockets, and they will do what they always do.

Promise giveaways to keep the "proles" voting as a block, buy off our "enemies" with promises of sweet trade deals, increase taxes, design regulations that help their friends and hurt their enemies, and connive to keep power for as long as they can.

In other words? Business as usual.
 
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