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Is Kamala Harris the inevitable VP choice for Biden?

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Election Betting Odds by Maxim Lott and John Stossel

According to the website Election Betting Odds, Harris has about 46% chance of winning the Vice President nomination for Joe Biden. Here are her "closest" competitors: Val Demings 12%, Susan Rice 11%, Tammy Duckworth 8%, Elizabeth Warren 6%, Michelle Obama 4%, Keisha Lance Bottoms & Michelle Lujan Grisham 3%, Stacey Abrams 2%, and Hilary Clinton & Gretchen Whitmer at 1%.

Election Betting Odds averages together the betting odds for Betfair and PredictIt.

The top 5 makes a lot of sense. Democrats love to pick U.S Senators as their VP. Since 1944, the end of the World War 2, 17 out of the 19 Democratic Vice Presidents have been sitting Senators. Having Senators Duckworth, Harris and Warren in the top 5 makes perfect sense.

But do you guys really think Harris is really that far ahead of everybody else? The big draw seems to be that she's black, experienced, already vetted by the national press (and Tulsi Gabbard) and comes from a big donor state.

Personally I think Duckworth would be the bigger splash: military experience, inspiring story, administrative experience working for the VA department, congresswoman, and U.S Senator.
 
BrotherFease said:
Election Betting Odds by Maxim Lott and John Stossel

According to the website Election Betting Odds, Harris has about 46% chance of winning the Vice President nomination for Joe Biden. Here are her "closest" competitors: Val Demings 12%, Susan Rice 11%, Tammy Duckworth 8%, Elizabeth Warren 6%, Michelle Obama 4%, Keisha Lance Bottoms & Michelle Lujan Grisham 3%, Stacey Abrams 2%, and Hilary Clinton & Gretchen Whitmer at 1%.

Election Betting Odds averages together the betting odds for Betfair and PredictIt.

The top 5 makes a lot of sense. Democrats love to pick U.S Senators as their VP. Since 1944, the end of the World War 2, 17 out of the 19 Democratic Vice Presidents have been sitting Senators. Having Senators Duckworth, Harris and Warren in the top 5 makes perfect sense.

But do you guys really think Harris is really that far ahead of everybody else? The big draw seems to be that she's black, experienced, already vetted by the national press (and Tulsi Gabbard) and comes from a big donor state.

Personally I think Duckworth would be the bigger splash: military experience, inspiring story, administrative experience working for the VA department, congresswoman, and U.S Senator.
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I don't think Harris is the top pick for one simple reason: California is a safe blue state. That's why my money remains on Val Demings.
 
IMO, noone will care who it is (unless maybe it's Obama - which is pretty clear it won't be)
 
Afte the 2015 Wikileaks email scandal that exposed collusion between the DNC and the media, there should be absolutely no doubt that the establishment favors another establishment stood, and will harm their own chances of winning rather than risk doing something crazy like reforming the legalized bribery system that enriches them and enables them to retain their power. This is doubly so with chances that Biden may, at one point, be found unfit to perform his duties, making it more likely that the VP would take over.

It's a shame, really. Nevertrumpers are still going to be nevertrumpers at the end of the day, and more likely to hold their noses for a candidate that they're uncertain about. Progressives and independant voters, on the other hand, are less likely to come out to vote at all, but would be energized and more eager with a decisively more progressive candidate on the ticket.

For the love of all that is good and holy, I hope that they do not pick that corrupt prosecutor . . .
 
I just don't believe that Biden will feel comfortable with her on a personal level, and she does have a similar problem as Amy in that she was a former Prosecutor and there were cases that will be politically sensitive involving issues like black incarceration rates etc. I don't think she brings enough to the table and there is some polling that suggests that Warren actually polls better among blacks and whites.

Harris was vetted - by Dem voters, and there was something there they did not want. I don't think Joe does either.
 
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BrotherFease said:
Election Betting Odds by Maxim Lott and John Stossel

According to the website Election Betting Odds, Harris has about 46% chance of winning the Vice President nomination for Joe Biden. Here are her "closest" competitors: Val Demings 12%, Susan Rice 11%, Tammy Duckworth 8%, Elizabeth Warren 6%, Michelle Obama 4%, Keisha Lance Bottoms & Michelle Lujan Grisham 3%, Stacey Abrams 2%, and Hilary Clinton & Gretchen Whitmer at 1%.

Election Betting Odds averages together the betting odds for Betfair and PredictIt.

The top 5 makes a lot of sense. Democrats love to pick U.S Senators as their VP. Since 1944, the end of the World War 2, 17 out of the 19 Democratic Vice Presidents have been sitting Senators. Having Senators Duckworth, Harris and Warren in the top 5 makes perfect sense.

But do you guys really think Harris is really that far ahead of everybody else? The big draw seems to be that she's black, experienced, already vetted by the national press (and Tulsi Gabbard) and comes from a big donor state.

Personally I think Duckworth would be the bigger splash: military experience, inspiring story, administrative experience working for the VA department, congresswoman, and U.S Senator.
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We can't go wrong with any of these women, but I would like to see Senator Duckworth named as Biden's VP. She is one tough woman, and has my eternal admiration. She has shown total fearlessness in speaking out against Cadet Bonespurs, and she is very no-nonsense.
 
element94 said:
We can't go wrong with any of these women, but I would like to see Senator Duckworth named as Biden's VP. She is one tough woman, and has my eternal admiration. She has shown total fearlessness in speaking out against Cadet Bonespurs, and she is very no-nonsense.
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Votevets did an interesting campaign ad for her. See below. Biden's biggest perceived weakness is being "unexciting". He's doing extremely well polling simply because Trump cannot stop himself from destroying his odds.

 
I sure hope not. I'm afraid Harris will give a bad name to Democrats and racial diversity in leadership. Though it'll be hard to notice compared to trump. Rice is very competent, but I'm a bit concerned about her coldness, where war might be a Kissinger-like game to try to win without enough appreciation of the human costs, but I'm not at all sure that's a flaw of hers, just an impression it might be.

I'd be most comfortable with Warren in terms of policy and a long history of compassion, but the times do not call for a white choice. Harris seems like a real 'party insider' choice, and that's not what I want to see - another Obama but possibly worse, 'hope and change' rhetoric but plutocratic policies. I'm really not sure who the right choice is for Biden. I'd probably have preferred someone like Sherrod Brown, but that's out.

On policy, I'd be happy with a progressive woman of color. AoC is too 'green' and controversial, but there are others.

But the thing is, it's hard to see who would have the background to really look strong - but that's a bar that's a joke for Republicans, when you look at Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, Mike Pence, and so on.
 
Phys251 said:
I don't think Harris is the top pick for one simple reason: California is a safe blue state. That's why my money remains on Val Demings.
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Democrat Val Demmings was formerly the Police Chief in Orlando. During her tenure there were accusations of misconduct and police overreach in the department.

I don't think the far left lunatics will accept her as the choice. And we all know that the Marxist freaks currently control the Democratic Party.
 
BrotherFease said:
Votevets did an interesting campaign ad for her. See below. Biden's biggest perceived weakness is being "unexciting". He's doing extremely well polling simply because Trump cannot stop himself from destroying his odds.

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Unless you particularize "weakness", the word is too general to declare it as "Biden's biggest perceived weakness".
But defined correctly, it surely is his biggest weakness.
 
btthegreat said:
Harris was vetted - by Dem voters, and there was something there they did not want. I don't think Joe does either.
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For me, it is probably more about what's not there, which is much. She's a real 'how did that person get there' person to me', always, always maneuvering for advancement and nothing else I can tell. Unfortunately, our system isn't good at selecting 'good people'.
 
Phys251 said:
I don't think Harris is the top pick for one simple reason: California is a safe blue state. That's why my money remains on Val Demings.
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I don't really put too many cards into the "flip-the-state" theory. It has been proven to be incredibly unreliable and inconclusive.

Demings comes from a blue district. I do not see her converting people from voting from Trump to Biden.
 
I can't think of one potential VP choice from the usual list who isn't radioactive to some degree.
 
a street walker for VP, it sure as hell won't be Michelle Obama, sleezy Joe is not stupid enough to pick him!
 
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Craig234 said:
For me, it is probably more about what's not there, which is much. She's a real 'how did that person get there' person to me', always, always maneuvering for advancement and nothing else I can tell. Unfortunately, our system isn't good at selecting 'good people'.
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The "how" is named Willie Brown.
 
IIRC, Biden said he would choose a woman as VP (preferably a woman of color?).

Understandable. I very much like Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D/MI). Quite the vita historia.

Elissa Slotkin - Wikipedia
 
Craig234 said:
I sure hope not. I'm afraid Harris will give a bad name to Democrats and racial diversity in leadership. Though it'll be hard to notice compared to trump. Rice is very competent, but I'm a bit concerned about her coldness, where war might be a Kissinger-like game to try to win without enough appreciation of the human costs, but I'm not at all sure that's a flaw of hers, just an impression it might be.

I'd be most comfortable with Warren in terms of policy and a long history of compassion, but the times do not call for a white choice. Harris seems like a real 'party insider' choice, and that's not what I want to see - another Obama but possibly worse, 'hope and change' rhetoric but plutocratic policies. I'm really not sure who the right choice is for Biden. I'd probably have preferred someone like Sherrod Brown, but that's out.

On policy, I'd be happy with a progressive woman of color. AoC is too 'green' and controversial, but there are others.

But the thing is, it's hard to see who would have the background to really look strong - but that's a bar that's a joke for Republicans, when you look at Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, Mike Pence, and so on.
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Craig - I think he's got to pick a woman with the LEAST amount of liabilities. No candidate is going to be perfect. Biden is in a much different place than Mondale was in 1984 and McCain in 2008. Ferraro and Palin were picked as Hail Mary passes. Biden is picking a woman in order to counter the criticism, he's a stale, old white man, and maintain leads in the electoral college.
 
BrotherFease said:
Craig - I think he's got to pick a woman with the LEAST amount of liabilities.
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I just don't give a crap about that. It's a person who could well be president, and I don't want another disappointment choice, who will leave the country open to the next Republican.
 
The best thing about this to me is how nominees often pick people out of left field, and that could mean a good pick. Quayle, Palin, Kaine, Pence, these were all people the country knew little about. So maybe Biden would do the same and make a good pick.
 
Trump's Amexit strategy and siding with Putin and other anti-democracy dictators has put us at the greatest national security risk in most of ours' lives. Susan Rice satisfies that need for having all it takes, the int'l cred (IMO, Benghazi will be no problem that can't be overcome), to bring us back into the good graces of our life-long allies whom Trump has pissed on to defend us all together once again against those that want our demise, the one that Trump has chummed-up to since day-one. And, yeah, Rice is female and black.
 
bluesmoke said:
Trump's Amexit strategy and siding with Putin and other anti-democracy dictators has put us at the greatest national security risk in most of ours' lives. Susan Rice satisfies that need for having all it takes, the int'l cred (IMO, Benghazi will be no problem that can't be overcome), to bring us back into the good graces of our life-long allies whom Trump has pissed on to defend us all together once again against those that want our demise, the one that Trump has chummed-up to since day-one. And, yeah, Rice is female and black.
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She would be another excellent choice. She's another pick that would smack the **** out of nonsense.
 
I has to be a black person.

The pandering has reached epic proportions.
 
Rice would be an excellent choice, Trump would destroy her!
 
Biden has been a joke for over forty years he hasn't fixed anything yet, so why do you think he can fix anything now, Willie Browns girl friend is not going to help him!
 
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