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    Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    Russian bounties to Taliban-linked militants resulted in deaths of U.S. troops, according to intelligence assessments | Washington Post



    6/28/20
    Russian bounties offered to Taliban-linked militants to kill coalition forces in Afghanistan are believed to have resulted in the deaths of several U.S. service members, according to intelligence gleaned from U.S. military interrogations of captured militants in recent months. Several people familiar with the matter said it was unclear exactly how many Americans or coalition troops from other countries may have been killed or targeted under the program. U.S. forces in Afghanistan suffered a total of 10 deaths from hostile gunfire or improvised bombs in 2018, and 16 in 2019. Two have been killed this year. In each of those years, several service members were also killed by what are known as “green on blue” hostile incidents by members of Afghan security forces, which are sometimes believed to have been infiltrated by the Taliban. The intelligence was passed up from the U.S. Special Operations forces based in Afghanistan and led to a restricted high-level White House meeting in late March, the people said. The meeting led to broader discussions about possible responses to the Russian action, ranging from diplomatic expressions of disapproval and warnings, to sanctions, according to two of the people. These people and others who discussed the matter spoke on the condition of anonymity because of its sensitivity.

    Among the coalition of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the British were briefed late last week on the intelligence assessment, although other alliance governments were not formally informed. The New York Times first reported the existence of the bounty program on Friday evening. But as more details have unfolded, the primary controversy in Washington over the weekend revolved around denials by President Trump and his aides that the president was ever briefed on the intelligence. Trump on Sunday confirmed statements by Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe and the White House press secretary that he received no briefing on the subject, and he referred in tweets to “so-called reports” by “Fake News.” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a Trump ally who golfed with the president Sunday, earlier tweeted that “I expect the Trump Administration to take such allegations seriously and inform Congress immediately as to the reliability of these news reports.” In a second tweet, Graham said it was “Imperative Congress get to the bottom” of the Russian offer “to pay the Taliban to kill American soldiers with the goal of pushing America out of the region.”
    If the intelligence is bona-fide, I can't imagine it not reaching the attention of Trump. Secretary of State Pompeo, Defense Secretary Esper, CIA Director Haspel, JCS Chairman Gen. Milley, and National Security Advisor O'Brien would all have been apprised of the situation. It would have been included in Trumps (written) Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) and communicated verbally by a CIA official who does this every day. You can discount whatever DNI Ratcliffe says. He is a loyalist appointee who puts Trump above country. Since the [reported] principles meeting in March about this, Trump has said the US has a "great friendship" with Russia (May 8), sent two planes loaded with US PPE to Russia, and once again invited Russia to the G7 meeting in Washington (May 30).

    Related: Members Of Congress Demand More Information On Russia's Alleged Offer Of Bounties To Taliban


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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

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    Russian bounties to Taliban-linked militants resulted in deaths of U.S. troops, according to intelligence assessments | Washington Post





    If the intelligence is bona-fide, I can't imagine it not reaching the attention of Trump. Secretary of State Pompeo, Defense Secretary Esper, CIA Director Haspel, JCS Chairman Gen. Milley, and National Security Advisor O'Brien would all have been apprised of the situation. It would have been included in Trumps (written) Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) and communicated verbally by a CIA official who does this every day. You can discount whatever DNI Ratcliffe says. He is a loyalist appointee who puts Trump above country. Since the [reported] principles meeting in March about this, Trump has said the US has a "great friendship" with Russia (May 8), sent two planes loaded with US PPE to Russia, and once again invited Russia to the G7 meeting in Washington (May 30).

    Related: Members Of Congress Demand More Information On Russia's Alleged Offer Of Bounties To Taliban
    There have been a Hell of a lot of bad stories about Trump since 2017 but this one is by far the worst. By far.

    Thank goodness for the NY Times breaking this story.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    I'm sure Trump will remain consistent and believe Putin over our own national intelligence on this one.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I'm sure Trump will remain consistent and believe Putin over our own national intelligence on this one.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    Not sure the usual suspects (Hillary, Obama, Papadopolis, Fake news, just kidding, ...) can get the Trumpsters around this one. This should put light between the real Republicans and the Trumpsters.

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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    You give a bounty of $10,000 for an American soldier, that's going to attract a lot of dirt poor people who dream of what they can do with that money. Maybe even get a wife?!

    They try to kill an American, and get shot dead. Now their entire extended family is out for revenge.

    The Russians just enraged a hundred people, and for no money at all!

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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    The bounties didn't cause the deaths of US troops. The Tals would have been killing our troops, bounty, or no bounty.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    FoxNews is going to be busy spinning the hell out of this one.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The bounties didn't cause the deaths of US troops. The Tals would have been killing our troops, bounty, or no bounty.
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    Re: Russian bounties resulted in deaths of U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    You give a bounty of $10,000 for an American soldier, that's going to attract a lot of dirt poor people who dream of what they can do with that money. Maybe even get a wife?!

    They try to kill an American, and get shot dead. Now their entire extended family is out for revenge.

    The Russians just enraged a hundred people, and for no money at all!
    In general, the developed to developing world money ratio is about 1:10. That varies with location of course. So it's like at least $100k to someone here.

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