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Your feigned ignorance makes no difference to the facts.

Unless you are brave enough to state your opinions and/or actual facts (which I have not seen from any leftist here, even those who claim to be independent), we really have nothing to discuss. Telling me to go fish and see what others have posted is a cop out. You really expect me or anyone else to go searching through reams of posts from OTHER people and see what they have to say about why people are occupying cities, burning down buildings, tearing down statues? Seriously?
 
Some here do that regularly and I find it devious and a sign of low character but all to typical of the left.

I don't necessarily attach nefarious motivations. I feel like for some they feel as if it is more expedient.

However, when others change my words, as a matter of course, I just don't respond to their post. It is only in a very few instances that I even read their response.

Usually, I read my post before I read their response. Without my post, their response has NO context. With only my partial post, their response has only partial context.
 
I don't necessarily attach nefarious motivations. I feel like for some they feel as if it is more expedient.

However, when others change my words, as a matter of course, I just don't respond to their post. It is only in a very few instances that I even read their response.

Usually, I read my post before I read their response. Without my post, their response has NO context. With only my partial post, their response has only partial context.

There are one or two here who do that regularly and I think it IS intentional. They will only put up part of someone's post and leave out the main points. I've called them on it and they say they didn't think the entire post was needed. I let that go a time or two but if they continue to do it, I just stop responding to that poster because he or she has revealed himself to be devious and a snake.

But, changing someone's words?? THAT is even worse and what one would expect from a Schiff, Pelosi or Nadler or some other low life.
 
Torture is part of the human condition, I get it. The darker side of the human condition.

It was illegal under US statutes in 2003, and is still illegal today.

George Bush & Co defied the law, and by rationalization and semantics institutionalized torture.

Then and now, I consider that fact to be considerable evidence, prima facie, that the US is not a civilized nation.

Did it begin to crumble at that point, or had it begun before then?

Yes, our media is a superb propaganda delivery system.

One of the Great Civilizations in the world was Rome. Torture was woven into and throughout their civilization. If torture is conducted by an agency, that indicates a civil structure. Therefore: Civilization.

You would probably be hard pressed to find any civilization in history that did not intentionally impose suffering on individuals as a quid pro quo. By your definition, there has probably never been a civilization on the planet.

Torture is an odd word. Broadly, it seems as if imposing discomfort as extortion is the definition. Water boarding does not permanently cripple physically, but is now said to be torture.

Sleep deprivation is classed as torture. Is a new born torturing its parents repeatedly over months by waking them thereby breaking the law?

I'm waking you up again! Guess what's wrong and correct it or you'll never sleep again! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaa!

Wasn't the USA a signatory to the Geneva Convention? That was written in the 19th Century. Rules for a knife fight. Odd...

People who actual conduct torture must be an odd sort. I think I may have had one as my supervisor once. He was a hamburger stand shift supervisor when I was 16. He should have been a prison camp guard.

I guess I'd like to see the Wonderlic on folks who fit the mold of the ideal prison camp guard profile whatever that might be... Seeing the actual folks might be a little spooky.
 
One of the Great Civilizations in the world was Rome. Torture was woven into and throughout their civilization. If torture is conducted by an agency, that indicates a civil structure. Therefore: Civilization.

You would probably be hard pressed to find any civilization in history that did not intentionally impose suffering on individuals as a quid pro quo. By your definition, there has probably never been a civilization on the planet.

Torture is an odd word. Broadly, it seems as if imposing discomfort as extortion is the definition. Water boarding does not permanently cripple physically, but is now said to be torture.

Sleep deprivation is classed as torture. Is a new born torturing its parents repeatedly over months by waking them thereby breaking the law?

I'm waking you up again! Guess what's wrong and correct it or you'll never sleep again! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaa!

Wasn't the USA a signatory to the Geneva Convention? That was written in the 19th Century. Rules for a knife fight. Odd...

People who actual conduct torture must be an odd sort. I think I may have had one as my supervisor once. He was a hamburger stand shift supervisor when I was 16. He should have been a prison camp guard.

I guess I'd like to see the Wonderlic on folks who fit the mold of the ideal prison camp guard profile whatever that might be... Seeing the actual folks might be a little spooky.

Torture is really just assault on the individual, as a form of extortion or punishment.

Do you know how quickly the human (and other species) breaks down when denied sleep? Pretty quickly.

The Chicago (I think) radio personality (Mad Cow?) during the Bush torture years showed his honesty when, having said on air your thought that water boarding is not torture, quickly announced he had been wrong with that statement after he voluntarily was water-boarded.

One of the best studies regarding torture and confinement was the Stanford Prison Experiments back in the 70s. Philip Zimbardo conducted those studies, and eventually wrote a book about them, and at the end of the book incorporated his examination of Abu Ghraib.

That is one of the most informative books I've ever read regarding human behavior, the dark side.
 
Had to give you "likes" for your last three postings. One of the main reasons, IMHO, for the current sad state of affairs in society is that their side is winning in the war of words. It used to be that the news was an hour long and someone would just come on and report on it. No commentary. No nothing. Just reading from a script things like "President Johnson today said he would escalate the bombing......" or President Kennedy gave a well received speech where he said "Ask not what your country can do for you........" and so on.

What has happened though is that these NEWS stations found they could get more viewers and advertising revenue by hiring more controversial people who would do commentary on the news and when this worked, it snowballed into other channels seeing their ratings decline and they had to jump on the bandwagon of commentary instead of news. People then tuned in to watch NOT the news but the well dressed handsome men and then after the perfectly coiffed females who were telling them NOT the news but what to THINK about the news. As this genre became more popular, the owners of these former news stations (They should have that title taken away) hired more and more controversial people who have zero training in investigation and reporting. People like Al Sharpton, Mika an Joe, Katy Tur, Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon and run it 24/7 so that impressionable minds are now saturated with hatred because they are running 24/7 hate news against conservatives and now against Trump.

When run continually over and over and the only "news" people get, they start believing these commentators. People are very easily indoctrinated as we see here on these boards of the many indoctrinated sheep who call themselves left or liberal or independent. They are being taught pure hatred against this president and it shows here on these boards.

I agree in general with you view on this, but I have started to wonder if US News outlets were EVER shooting straight.

Of course, during WW2, the news services whether on radio with the NBC's of the world or on Newsreels with the FOX's of the world were propagandists in an us vs them narrative.

Following that, there was a general herd mentality of the news outlets through the 50's in which every outlet told the same story. We ASSUMED that the ONE narrative was the accurate reporting. It was probably only the agreed upon narrative.

With very limited width of opinion through about the late 80's, our news services told us a story that was pretty much echoed from one to the other.

At the end of the 80's, talk radio was rising and there was an additional view point added to the national discussion as AM radio program managers tried to fill their empty broadcast days.

When FOX News was established, we suddenly had counter programming based on a new point of view to the agreed upon narrative and suddenly the agreed upon narratives were exposed as only "narratives", not reporting.

For those like me who have a half-assed critical view of most things, the contrast was stark. The petty differences of the leftists on NBC, CBS and ABC are STILL petty. They are all in left field.

Sometimes one straddles the foul line and other times another one straddles the fouls line. They all live near the left field foul line.

Editorializing starts with story selection, then it continues with the story structure, the general story's tone, who is quoted, what part of their words are quoted, what facts are included and what facts are omitted.

Obviously, not EVERYONE and EVERYTHING can be included into every story. HOWEVER, when the stories we are routinely subjected to are routinely biased to the extent that they are, we must assume that there is a design driving the framing process.

To even the most willfully blind, it should be oddly interesting that all of the "Liberal Media" is parroting the same erroneous stories as a chorus when the actual facts are departed from the reporting.

Should be, but isn't.

Very few ask this one simple question: "If this is true, what else must be true?"
 
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Right now the United States is in a state of fear and out alleged leaders are the ones who are spreading it. The far left is winning as a result of 3 decades of indoctrination by radical left TV personalities spouting hatred against conservative ideals and capitalism. We have a public school that pumps put blithering idiots who then expect a well paying job that will support a family of 6. No skills. No work ethic. No pride. No nothing and then when they can only work at a burger joint, they riot because they have nothing and want what others worked for. They were told by TV people they were entitled to a living wage.

We have one idiot here here who talks about some off the wall stuff like unemployment benefits and a negotiated salary as if these people have something to offer an employer. They don't! They only have a chip on their shoulders that society itself has let them down, and it has. Society has failed them because of three decades of being taught they should be able to not study, not work, not excel and still get a trophy. they have looked the other way when kids fail in math and history and put them through anyway. Then they go to college and take crappy courses like Women's history, black history, climate change, social engineering and party instead of study and after 2-4 years of that expect to be immediately employed as a bank VP.

No planning. No real work or study and for that, THEY want to demand what an employer pays him and it it isn't enough to pay for two adults and two kids they never planned for they are told it is not THEIR fault. It's the greedy corporations or business owners who are rich and that's why they are poor.


75% of what you say is bu- - sh- -....the rest is silly you choose which
 
I understand what you're saying, and agree with much. Yes, I understand you are using the word in the modern connotation, which is a negative connotation.

Yes the meanings of words do change over time, and those meanings can be for the better, or for the worse. They can further refine a word's meanings, and they can be tinged with positive connotations or negative connotations. In this case it is a malignant connotation, changing the original meaning from most positive to most negative.

So the public's mind is molded, its tastes formed and ideas suggested by making a formerly good word into a bad word. What has followed from that is a corruption of thought processes (most apparent) by way of a corruption of the meanings of words.

Words always have meanings.

Sometimes, though, words are also labels. So, for instance: small "p" packers are folks who pack things. Big "P" Packers are toothless, immoral reprobates from Wisconsin. The word and the label are different.

(Yes, I grew up in Minnesota. ;). )

So Liberal and liberal are two very different things. Same applies to Conservative and conservative. A word is a description of a particular, usually pretty specific idea. A label is a divider. For better or for worse, labels divide.
 
Words always have meanings.

Sometimes, though, words are also labels. So, for instance: small "p" packers are folks who pack things. Big "P" Packers are toothless, immoral reprobates from Wisconsin. The word and the label are different.

(Yes, I grew up in Minnesota. ;). )

So Liberal and liberal are two very different things. Same applies to Conservative and conservative. A word is a description of a particular, usually pretty specific idea. A label is a divider. For better or for worse, labels divide.

Connotation and denotation. :mrgreen:
 
I agree in general with you view on this, but I have started to wonder if US News outlets were EVER shooting straight.

Of course, during WW2, the news services whether on radio with the NBC's of the world or on Newsreels with the FOX's of the world were propagandists in an us vs them narrative.

Following that, there was a general herd mentality of the news outlets through the 50's in which every outlet told the same story. We ASSUMED that the ONE narrative was the accurate reporting. It was probably only the agreed upon narrative.

With very limited width of opinion through about the late 80's, our news services told us a story that was pretty much echoed from one to the other.

At the end of the 80's, talk radio was rising and there was an additional view point added to the national discussion as AM radio program managers tried to fill their empty broadcast days.

When FOX News was established, we suddenly had counter programming based on a new point of view to the agreed upon narrative and suddenly the agreed upon narratives were exposed as only "narratives", not reporting.

For those like me who have a half-assed critical view of most things, the contrast was stark. The petty differences of the leftists on NBC, CBS and ABC are STILL petty. They are all in left field.

Sometimes one straddles the foul line and other times another one straddles the fouls line. They all live near the left field foul line.

Editorializing starts with story selection, then it continues with the story structure, the general story's tone, who is quoted, what part of their words are quoted, what facts are included and what facts are omitted.

Obviously, not EVERYONE and EVERYTHING can be included into every story. HOWEVER, when the stories we are routinely subjected to are routinely biased to the extent that they are, we must assume that there is a design driving the framing process.

To even the most willfully blind, it should be oddly interesting that all of the "Liberal Media" is parroting the same erroneous stories as a chorus when the actual facts are departed from the reporting.

Should be, but isn't.

Very few ask this one simple question: "If this is true, what else must be true?"

They have montages which I'm sure are still available on YouTube that are comical, showing the anchors on the Pravda news outlets, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etal parroting the identical "headlines" that they must have all called each other to determine what the lead story will be. The switch from one TV station to the next with ALL of them using the same lead and it is ALWAYS portraying Trump in the worst possible light. It could be anything but it is always intended to sway and indoctrinate the sheep and convince them that Trump is am man to be hated. One guy here called them the Goebbel News and it is true They are no longer there to impart news.They are there to persuade people to hate Trump so he will be removed from office.

These constant repetitions from people in perceived power on a 24/7 basis of half-truths and outright lies by every single news station will convince the populace of whatever it is that CNN, MSNBC and others want them to believe. For instance, a simple lead in headline like, "Impeachment of Trump at dangerous stage for him" by 10 anchors gets the sheep to think he is a criminal and will be removed from office or will be. Most people only hear or read the headlines. Here is one as a prime example;
Language Expert: Donald Trump's Way Of Speaking Is 'Oddly Adolescent' | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

This is on a NEWS station and of course is intended to indoctrinate. This is not a news story but one to inflame people. I sincerely and truly believe that CNN and MSNBC are largely responsible for the fear and anger AND THE RIOTING in America today through their 8 years of idolizing Obama and almost four years of hating Trump.
 
There are one or two here who do that regularly and I think it IS intentional. They will only put up part of someone's post and leave out the main points. I've called them on it and they say they didn't think the entire post was needed. I let that go a time or two but if they continue to do it, I just stop responding to that poster because he or she has revealed himself to be devious and a snake.

But, changing someone's words?? THAT is even worse and what one would expect from a Schiff, Pelosi or Nadler or some other low life.

In defense of Schiff... Well... I guess there is no defense for Schiff. Ol' Nads is about as contemptible and Antsy Nancy needs to have a house dropped on her.

I'm always confused as to why anyone clips away any part of the post to which they respond. When called on it, they always act as if objecting to their editing is an outrage.

Oh, humanity...

When I wish to call attention to a part of a post, I highlight that part. Then the original poster can tell me that I am missing the context and point that out without needing to trace the chain back to the original.

Just courteous in my view.

If I or any poster includes a thought in a post, it is a part of the stream of thought. As such, the whole is diminished by the omission of any part or parts.
 
Theodore Roosevelt Statue: Artist, Planners Original Intent | AMNH

Statue of Theodore Roosevelt on a horse, accompanied by an African and an American Indian, will be removed.

Why, you wonder? Or maybe you don't wonder. Maybe you see racist evil everywhere in everything.

The statue was supposed to show admiration of the African and American natives, and Roosevelt's friendliness with them.

Will the madness ever stop? No, I guess not, not until our civilization is finally demolished.

The madness stops only when we have a civil war or people realize that lefties are anti American filth and stop voting these wretched traitors into positions of power.
 
Torture is really just assault on the individual, as a form of extortion or punishment.

Do you know how quickly the human (and other species) breaks down when denied sleep? Pretty quickly.

The Chicago (I think) radio personality (Mad Cow?) during the Bush torture years showed his honesty when, having said on air your thought that water boarding is not torture, quickly announced he had been wrong with that statement after he voluntarily was water-boarded.

One of the best studies regarding torture and confinement was the Stanford Prison Experiments back in the 70s. Philip Zimbardo conducted those studies, and eventually wrote a book about them, and at the end of the book incorporated his examination of Abu Ghraib.

That is one of the most informative books I've ever read regarding human behavior, the dark side.

I think we agree.

I did not say that water boarding is not torture. I said that it did not permanently cripple physically. It does, from what I've heard, make the victim feel as if death is imminent.

We all probably remember John McCain being unable to lift his arms high above his head. That is one result of being physically crippled permanently after torture.

I saw a presentation of a prison study and the effect it had on personalities of the play actors in the study. Really pretty sobering.

I was in the midst of some kind of awareness of "mob mentality" when I watched this. Our famous human adaptability probably plays a role in our ability to adapt our thinking in these situations as well...

As individuals within a species, we are capable of such kindness and such horror.

Some of us like to write books and create art. Some of us like to burn books and tear down statues.

Tears seem to be smiles in decay.
 
They have montages which I'm sure are still available on YouTube that are comical, showing the anchors on the Pravda news outlets, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etal parroting the identical "headlines" that they must have all called each other to determine what the lead story will be. The switch from one TV station to the next with ALL of them using the same lead and it is ALWAYS portraying Trump in the worst possible light. It could be anything but it is always intended to sway and indoctrinate the sheep and convince them that Trump is am man to be hated. One guy here called them the Goebbel News and it is true They are no longer there to impart news.They are there to persuade people to hate Trump so he will be removed from office.

These constant repetitions from people in perceived power on a 24/7 basis of half-truths and outright lies by every single news station will convince the populace of whatever it is that CNN, MSNBC and others want them to believe. For instance, a simple lead in headline like, "Impeachment of Trump at dangerous stage for him" by 10 anchors gets the sheep to think he is a criminal and will be removed from office or will be. Most people only hear or read the headlines. Here is one as a prime example;
Language Expert: Donald Trump's Way Of Speaking Is 'Oddly Adolescent' | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

This is on a NEWS station and of course is intended to indoctrinate. This is not a news story but one to inflame people. I sincerely and truly believe that CNN and MSNBC are largely responsible for the fear and anger AND THE RIOTING in America today through their 8 years of idolizing Obama and almost four years of hating Trump.

Excellent observations!

I have a little group of friends on Facebook and we discuss politics on occasion. It's really amazing that the folks who hate the President hate him with no reason.

It's very similar to people who are raised in a particular religion. They KNOW that they are in the correct and true religion, but have no idea why.

These are otherwise reasonable people who just hate blindly with no reason and no logic. They have a deeply held conviction that Trump is bad. When pressed to present their reasons, they cannot.

The ideas they present are rumor, lies, misconceptions and vague fears. There is nothing there. Still, they fear the monster under the bed. It's really quite startling.

When their fear is shown to them to be baseless and is, in fact, resulting from the real world actions of the Democrat-Socialists, they slip into a trance and revert to chanting a mantra that Trump is bad.

It's like the famous video of Bob Hope learning what a zombie is.

I've heard that the difference between psychosis and neurosis is that one thinks that 2 + 2 does not equal 4. The other knows that it equals 4, they just don't like it.

What grips the Democrat-Socialist Rank and File is one or the other. I suppose it doesn't matter. The result is the same.
 
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In defense of Schiff... Well... I guess there is no defense for Schiff. Ol' Nads is about as contemptible and Antsy Nancy needs to have a house dropped on her.

I'm always confused as to why anyone clips away any part of the post to which they respond. When called on it, they always act as if objecting to their editing is an outrage.

Oh, humanity...

When I wish to call attention to a part of a post, I highlight that part. Then the original poster can tell me that I am missing the context and point that out without needing to trace the chain back to the original.

Just courteous in my view.

If I or any poster includes a thought in a post, it is a part of the stream of thought. As such, the whole is diminished by the omission of any part or parts.

The thing I notice about the far left is that they just are not very nice people. They are like communists with an agenda and they will do everything they can to achieve it. Just look at what their entire side did to Flynn and his team to get Trump and then continued on through his entire term. They knew he did nothing wrong but were out to get him, anyway and used CNN, MS<}NBC and the printed press to do it. They know that Barr is looking to indict some of them and so they are demonizing Barr. The past several years has taught me just how evil the far left really is. Comey was following the orders of Obama and Biden when he went after Flynn to destroy his life How in the world did Biden himself come up with the Logan act?? Then Obama telling the FBI to put the right men on it and he did even though he himself said there was nothing there.

Make no mistake this senile old fool Biden who makes a gaffe every sentence is also evil. When he sticks the knife in someone's back, he twists it and smiles.
 
Theodore Roosevelt Statue: Artist, Planners Original Intent | AMNH

Statue of Theodore Roosevelt on a horse, accompanied by an African and an American Indian, will be removed.

Why, you wonder? Or maybe you don't wonder. Maybe you see racist evil everywhere in everything.

The statue was supposed to show admiration of the African and American natives, and Roosevelt's friendliness with them.

Will the madness ever stop? No, I guess not, not until our civilization is finally demolished.

Democrats claim the violence and destruction is justified because of slavery. That is stupid. Violence and destruction is never justified and these rioting and looting and destroying morons are not fired up about the past, they are simply in favor of violence in the present and willing to use any excuse to commit violent acts of destruction, robbery and mayhem. What are their goals with the statues? Stupid, to say the least, as demonstrated by this:

Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King says statues of Jesus Christ should be torn down — but just the white ones - TheBlaze - BLM - Tear down statues of Jesus Christ.


Warning: Do not vote these deranged violent savages into greater power and influence in 2020 by voting democrat.
 
Excellent observations!

I have a little group of friends on Facebook and we discuss politics on occasion. It's really amazing that the folks who hate the President hate him with no reason.

It's very similar to people who are raised in a particular religion. They KNOW that they are in the correct and true religion, but have no idea why.

These are otherwise reasonable people who just hate blindly with no reason and no logic. They have a deeply held conviction that Trump is bad. When pressed to present their reasons, they cannot.

The ideas they present are rumor, lies, misconceptions and vague fears. There is nothing there. Still, they fear the monster under the bed. It's really quite startling.

When their fear is shown to them to be baseless and is, in fact, resulting from the real world actions of the Democrat-Socialists, they slip into a trance and revert to chanting a mantra that Trump is bad.

It's like the famous video of Bob Hope learning what a zombie is.

I've heard that the difference between psychosis and neurosis is that one thinks that 2 + 2 does not equal 4. The other knows that it equals 4, they just don't like it.

What grips the Democrat-Socialist Rank and File is one or the other. I suppose it doesn't matter. The result is the same.

I have a close relative who is a socialist. Unlike the mean and angry ones, she is really nice. She is older so can't riot with the best of them. But, she always talks about free housing, free this, free that and that the rich and corporations don't pay enough. She has been indoctrinated by media to believe that there is an unlimited pot of money that the rich are hoarding and that if corporations just paid more (they are already taxed at some of the highest rates in the world) that the wealth could be spread around so people wouldn't have to work OR they could make $25.00 an hour if they did. No matter how I have tried, she just doesn't get it. As you said with the 2 plus 2 example where they know it equals 4, they just don't like it.

So, this is really what we have in the world today. We have rich actors and politicians, young people who have been sheltered by their parents, and TV anchors making millions knowing that 2 plus 2 equals 4 and they don't like it. They just don't like that it takes VERY hard work to succeed for OTHERS because for them, it was easy, and it should be for everyone else, too. If you were to tell them, "OK, we hear you Mr. TV actor or Congress Person or TV "reporter" and you are right. In order to achieve what you are suggesting, we have it all figured out and you need to pay 80% of your salary so that the people in the inner city can buy better cars and send their children to charter schools, they would all say "What!? On NOOOOO. I didn't mean I should do that! I meant OTHER people should. I hear what you're saying, but I really don't like the math of 2 plus 2 equals 4 and I know more equality and diversity can be achieved if it is just done right by OTHER people."

They have a "theory" that these things are good and holy except for them behind their gated communities and armed guards where all they see is manicured lawns, gardeners tending them, no homeless tents in sight. They make lots of money for little work and everything is done for them so why can't everyone have it? That way, they would feel less guilty. It's like the line. "People can't afford bread? Why that's horrible! Let them eat cake, my dear".

The struggles in life are what makes a man. Not being given things. When something is free, it has little value. but.....when you have shown and taught how to work for it and how to do it and how to fix things and that NO ONE is going to just GIVE you them........then that is what life is all about. those that think it is compassionate to just give people free food and housing and money with no strings have it backwards. It is not It just salves their own guilt. It is the worst thing in the world you can do for a human. You have robbed their very soul by giving them a hammock. The inner city people have been taught to be dependent. THAT is why they are rioting. They have no hope, no future and no dreams because they are expecting OTHERS to even do that for them.
 
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I think we agree.

I did not say that water boarding is not torture. I said that it did not permanently cripple physically. It does, from what I've heard, make the victim feel as if death is imminent.

We all probably remember John McCain being unable to lift his arms high above his head. That is one result of being physically crippled permanently after torture.

I saw a presentation of a prison study and the effect it had on personalities of the play actors in the study. Really pretty sobering.

I was in the midst of some kind of awareness of "mob mentality" when I watched this. Our famous human adaptability probably plays a role in our ability to adapt our thinking in these situations as well...

As individuals within a species, we are capable of such kindness and such horror.

Some of us like to write books and create art. Some of us like to burn books and tear down statues.

Tears seem to be smiles in decay.

The title of Zimbardo's book is The Lucifer Effect. One of the fascinating things learned in the experiments was the role playing done by individuals, according to whether they were assigned to be a prisoner or a guard. Maybe somehow related to the Stockholm Syndrome.

I'm pretty sure McCain's bad arm resulted from having to bailout of an airplane and failing to tuck his arms in tightly before ejection.
 
We learned early in the industrial revolution that, as powerful a tool as capitalism and free enterprise was, it did not work out for the best if left completely free and unregulated: ever-increasing exploitation of child labor, monopolies, the rise of the robber barons, etc...

In fact, what powerful tool, whether a chainsaw, a car, or a bulldozer, do you know that does not need numerous safety features and regulations on its use?

There is a reason why every developed economy in the world today has not adapted completely pure free markets. It's not because they are ignorant of the blessings of the pure free market.

It would be crazy to say regulations aren't needed. That would be like saying we don't need traffic laws, and we can just remove all the traffic signals and stop signs.

Obviously laws and regulations are needed. It is very difficult to make and enforce good regulations, but society can't function without them.

So I don't know why you are telling me that. There are some conservatives who want to minimize regulations, but only extremist nuts think we don't need any.
 
But first let's agree that openness to change and new ideas is not a bad thing, even if some of them occasionally blow up in our face.

Everyone knows that. Progressives don't own all the common sense. Actually, they own very little of it.
 
It also changed during the American Revolution. Actually, many of the ideals like getting rid of the aristocracy were identical to the American Revolution- another big change in civilization.

So I agree that change isn't always a good thing. But is it always a bad thing?

Think of how things work in a science lab: sometimes the beaker blows up. Does that mean that they just stop everything and go home, having "learned their lesson"?

No one thinks change is always good and no one thinks change is always bad. It all depends on what you are changing FROM and what you are changing TO.

The word "conservative" doesn't mean blocking all change, good or bad. It means being CAREFUL. There are too many progressives who think anything new has to be better.
 
The thing I notice about the far left is that they just are not very nice people. They are like communists with an agenda and they will do everything they can to achieve it. Just look at what their entire side did to Flynn and his team to get Trump and then continued on through his entire term. They knew he did nothing wrong but were out to get him, anyway and used CNN, MS<}NBC and the printed press to do it. They know that Barr is looking to indict some of them and so they are demonizing Barr. The past several years has taught me just how evil the far left really is. Comey was following the orders of Obama and Biden when he went after Flynn to destroy his life How in the world did Biden himself come up with the Logan act?? Then Obama telling the FBI to put the right men on it and he did even though he himself said there was nothing there.

Make no mistake this senile old fool Biden who makes a gaffe every sentence is also evil. When he sticks the knife in someone's back, he twists it and smiles.

The Democrat-Socialists are continuously on a CRUSADE during which, in all cases, in all actions, in all topic areas and in all situations, THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

This results in the Democrat-Socialists doing EVERYTHING that they do. Rationalizing EVERYTHING that they rationalize. Eliminating any reference to absolutes in favor of relativism and incrementalism. Attempting to cancel anyone who opposes.

When they continuously believe that the ENDS justify the MEANS, then the MEANS becomes their ENDS.

That is why they are so accepting of the destruction of cities and communities and churches and art. The End justifies the Means. Now, however, the "means" has become their "end".

The destruction of EVERYTHING: Statues, elections, businesses, governments, law enforcement, property rights, freedom, domestic tranquility- all of it. Destruction WAS the means to the end.

Now destruction is the end they seek.

They employ every useful idiot they can find and there seem to be a whole bunch of them being found. Biden is their perfect tool. The most profoundly vacant idiot in the country.

He is the PERFECT leader for this mob. This is very likely why Obama picked him to be his VP.
 
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Civilizations always change. That’s the only constant. That does not mean they are demolished.

If you are always afraid of change, you will always be afraid. Sad.

There is good change and there is bad change. When you tear down history you aren't changing it, you are repeating it. This is heading towards a civil war. When we have leftists angry over a lawful and duly elected president and incapable of civil behavior and peaceful protests we have a serious problem. Its only a matter of time before the other half of the nation has had enough of traitors rampaging in our country.
 
I have a close relative who is a socialist. Unlike the mean and angry ones, she is really nice. She is older so can't riot with the best of them. But, she always talks about free housing, free this, free that and that the rich and corporations don't pay enough. She has been indoctrinated by media to believe that there is an unlimited pot of money that the rich are hoarding and that if corporations just paid more (they are already taxed at some of the highest rates in the world) that the wealth could be spread around so people wouldn't have to work OR they could make $25.00 an hour if they did. No matter how I have tried, she just doesn't get it. As you said with the 2 plus 2 example where they know it equals 4, they just don't like it.

So, this is really what we have in the world today. We have rich actors and politicians, young people who have been sheltered by their parents, and TV anchors making millions knowing that 2 plus 2 equals 4 and they don't like it. They just don't like that it takes VERY hard work to succeed for OTHERS because for them, it was easy, and it should be for everyone else, too. If you were to tell them, "OK, we hear you Mr. TV actor or Congress Person or TV "reporter" and you are right. In order to achieve what you are suggesting, we have it all figured out and you need to pay 80% of your salary so that the people in the inner city can buy better cars and send their children to charter schools, they would all say "What!? On NOOOOO. I didn't mean I should do that! I meant OTHER people should. I hear what you're saying, but I really don't like the math of 2 plus 2 equals 4 and I know more equality and diversity can be achieved if it is just done right by OTHER people."

They have a "theory" that these things are good and holy except for them behind their gated communities and armed guards where all they see is manicured lawns, gardeners tending them, no homeless tents in sight. They make lots of money for little work and everything is done for them so why can't everyone have it? That way, they would feel less guilty. It's like the line. "People can't afford bread? Why that's horrible! Let them eat cake, my dear".

The struggles in life are what makes a man. Not being given things. When something is free, it has little value. but.....when you have shown and taught how to work for it and how to do it and how to fix things and that NO ONE is going to just GIVE you them........then that is what life is all about. those that think it is compassionate to just give people free food and housing and money with no strings have it backwards. It is not It just salves their own guilt. It is the worst thing in the world you can do for a human. You have robbed their very soul by giving them a hammock. The inner city people have been taught to be dependent. THAT is why they are rioting. They have no hope, no future and no dreams because they are expecting OTHERS to even do that for them.

I seem to have always been aware of an old saying: Whether you think you think you'll succeed or you think you'll fail, you're probably right.

Winning is a habit. So is losing. When you are trained to continuously win, even when things look very grim, you just keep on fighting because you know in your heart you will win if you just keep working on it.

When you are trained to lose, you give up the fight pretty quickly because additional effort will only be wasted and you might as well not "knock yourself out" for something you won't get anyway.

Even when it's a disappointingly meager share, if you are trained that the meager share is all you will get, that is what you will strive to get.

The soft bigotry of lowered expectations.
 
The title of Zimbardo's book is The Lucifer Effect. One of the fascinating things learned in the experiments was the role playing done by individuals, according to whether they were assigned to be a prisoner or a guard. Maybe somehow related to the Stockholm Syndrome.

I'm pretty sure McCain's bad arm resulted from having to bailout of an airplane and failing to tuck his arms in tightly before ejection.

I always just ASS-umed that his injury was the result of torture. No basis in fact for my assumption. Thank you for the corrected news.

When I was a first time, brand new supervisor, I think I was probably gripped by some form of the Lucifer Effect. I still shudder remembering some of the things I did and said.

There is probably a similar effect ongoing in the minds of anyone who gains a position of authority without a clear picture of how to behave. They "play the role" until they figure it out.

I remember in High School my surprise that I was not a different, newly improved person wearing my brand new Letter Jacket. Still the same old me but now wearing a Letter Jacket like my heroes.

Oh, well... We live and we learn. At least, we should.
 
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