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Kaepernick was wrong

Simpletruther said:
Just don’t watch if someone dishonors your mom at her funeral. What ignorant bs.
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Now this is about my mother?

What kind of stupid racist whitey victim bs is that.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Some still think he was wrong, but a growing majority does not.
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A growing majority might eventually accept plugging your ears at a funeral while the speaker talks. It doesn’t make it any less rude at the time.
 
Simpletruther said:
For a lot of Americans,the national anthem has evolved into a time to honor fallen soldiers, and standing has become a symbol of honor to them.
Taking a knee in that context is simply rude.

It’s not much different than someone attending a funeral and sits on the front row, and when the speaker begins to say words of honor for the deceased, that someone stands up, turns toward the crowd and sticks his fingers in his ears.

It would not matter if your intent was noble in doing that, it was still rude and obnoxious, given the context. People are going to assume you are dishonoring the dead, regardless of you noble intentions. Perhaps his dad committed sins against your family, and you have a legitimate grievance. It’s just not the proper time or way to do that.
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It is also rude and obnoxious to shout and spit in an officer’s face with no mask on and your long guns on your back, but that’s what we call protest
 
Simpletruther said:
Just don’t watch if someone dishonors your mom at her funeral. What ignorant bs.
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At my wedding I encouraged a friend to Object to us getting married... I should have listened because it would have saved me years of hell.
 
Crosscheck said:
You ever been in a sports bar when they played the national anthem on the tv?
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Yes why? Different context. Context is everything. You are not so much a part of the event.
 
Simpletruther said:
Yea and a few people here and there will sit as well. And many around them that noticed would have a negative attitude to the sitter, regardless of their politics. The sitter was being rude. Those in the beer line were not actively defying the ritual.

It certainly isn’t that logical, as rituals typically are not. I don’t care much for rituals. I just as soon be buried in the back yard without a funeral. But many people are emotional about rituals. We should respect thst as best we can, unless it become something unreasonable.
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The bs indulged in by our president about Colin Kaepernick became something very unreasonable.
 
Crosscheck said:
You ever been in a sports bar when they played the national anthem on the tv?
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You mean when everybody stops drinking and eating wings to stand at attention with their hand over their heart... as a tear runs down their cheek?
 
Simpletruther said:
For a lot of Americans,the national anthem has evolved into a time to honor fallen soldiers, and standing has become a symbol of honor to them.
Taking a knee in that context is simply rude.

It’s not much different than someone attending a funeral and sits on the front row, and when the speaker begins to say words of honor for the deceased, that someone stands up, turns toward the crowd and sticks his fingers in his ears.

It would not matter if your intent was noble in doing that, it was still rude and obnoxious, given the context. People are going to assume you are dishonoring the dead, regardless of you noble intentions. Perhaps his dad committed sins against your family, and you have a legitimate grievance. It’s just not the proper time or way to do that.
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Think of it this way. It's because of those fallen soldiers that Kaepernick et al., can protest what they believe is wrong without repercussion. America is not without its faults and it's up to the people to do their due diligence to ensure she is on the right path. Protesting is not only a right, it's a privilege.
 
Simpletruther said:
It’s not offensive to me. I view it as rude because it’s offensive to lots of people trying to honor dead soldiers, and this has been well established.

I am not advocating it be illegal to take a knee, just pointing out it’s rude and obnoxious. One can also legally act a jackarse at a funeral.
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A great many Americans disagree with your view. A majority, actually.
 
Simpletruther said:
It’s not offensive to me. I view it as rude because it’s offensive to lots of people trying to honor dead soldiers, and this has been well established.

I am not advocating it be illegal to take a knee, just pointing out it’s rude and obnoxious. One can also legally act a jackarse at a funeral.
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I'm a retired Army Master Sergeant and I don't think his protest was rude or offensive. In fact, defending his and others right to protest is one of the reasons Soldiers serve.
 
ecofarm said:
It's a game. There's no meaningful outcome.
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That is about the most Anti-American thing that I have ever heard. When the USA wins Gold it means that the USA is the greatest nation.
 
I think maybe before we discuss "Kaep was wrong to piss on all the dead American soldiers by kneeling", we might wanna get a few quick takes on:

Affirmative action
Systemic racism
White privilege

The OP's position on those things could save us all a lot of time. Maybe this isn't about "but the dead soldiers!" Maybe this is more simple.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is about the most Anti-American thing that I have ever heard. When the USA wins Gold it means that the USA is the greatest nation.
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Gold or no gold the US could vaporize any nation on Earth overnight.
 
armycowboy said:
I'm a retired Army Master Sergeant and I don't think his protest was rude or offensive. In fact, defending his and others right to protest is one of the reasons Soldiers serve.
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Bingo... we have a winner here.
 
Simpletruther said:
For a lot of Americans,the national anthem has evolved into a time to honor fallen soldiers, and standing has become a symbol of honor to them.
Taking a knee in that context is simply rude.

It’s not much different than someone attending a funeral and sits on the front row, and when the speaker begins to say words of honor for the deceased, that someone stands up, turns toward the crowd and sticks his fingers in his ears.

It would not matter if your intent was noble in doing that, it was still rude and obnoxious, given the context. People are going to assume you are dishonoring the dead, regardless of you noble intentions. Perhaps his dad committed sins against your family, and you have a legitimate grievance. It’s just not the proper time or way to do that.
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You don't actually know the story behind why he used that as his method to make a statement do ya.
Look it up then get back to us.
 
armycowboy said:
I'm a retired Army Master Sergeant and I don't think his protest was rude or offensive. In fact, defending his and others right to protest is one of the reasons Soldiers serve.
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Yes, that’s why I sad many, not all.

Some think it’s ok to plug one side ears at a funeral. But we should still be sensitive to common rituals as best we can. It would still be rude to act a jackarse at a funeral, even though some would approve of it and think it’s ok. We should act s certain way at s funeral because of the ones who would be bothered. Same kind of idea.
 
Simpletruther said:
For a lot of Americans,the national anthem has evolved into a time to honor fallen soldiers, and standing has become a symbol of honor to them.
Taking a knee in that context is simply rude.

It’s not much different than someone attending a funeral and sits on the front row, and when the speaker begins to say words of honor for the deceased, that someone stands up, turns toward the crowd and sticks his fingers in his ears.

It would not matter if your intent was noble in doing that, it was still rude and obnoxious, given the context. People are going to assume you are dishonoring the dead, regardless of you noble intentions. Perhaps his dad committed sins against your family, and you have a legitimate grievance. It’s just not the proper time or way to do that.
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Free speech can be obnoxious and offensive at times .. that's what makes it so great. Doesn't change the way I think about Kaepercock though, he's still a douche.
 
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