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Why are blacks so privileged?

phattonez said:
Deal with the facts. I don't care about your personal attack.
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The facts show that you spew ignorance, bigotry and misinformation with almost every post. Yet, when given chance to declare yourself as the racist that you appear to be....your rhetoric turns from bold and bellicose, to weaselly and squirrelly. Acknowledging that reality only qualifies as a "personal attack" to you, because you feel convicted by it.

But that's not my problem. It's yours.

How do you deal with the fact that I'm more likely to be killed by a rich black than poor white?
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:lamo
I would laugh in your face and call you out for that lie. And then you'd slink away quietly when I challenged you to prove it.

Now, how do you deal with the fact that a black man is 2.5X more likely to die at the hands of the police than you are?
 
SmartCat said:
The assertion, "Race is only a social construct," is known in logic as the circular argument fallacy. In a circular argument one asserts what one needs to prove. Here one defines "race" as "a social construct." Definitions are not facts, but social conventions that change from time to time.
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This is pure babble. There is no circular logic involved. Perhaps you are just using that term without thinking. The FACT is that SCIENTIFICALLY, race is a very poor proxy for genetic diversity. It's a social construct (i.e. a simplistic societal invention) with little biological meaning. And there is a body of research to back that up.


Race is an important biological classification similar to sub species among various animal species.
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Pure nonsense. Race is, at best, a very, very weak biological classification. That's not up for debate. There is a mountain of genetic research to prove. There is no body of science suggesting that Race is on par with "sub species among various animal species" (whatever the heck that means to you). You're not a Science guy, I take it.

Those who claim "Race is only a social construct" conflate race with species. A person's race can usually be determined by appearance and always by DNA analysis. Moreover, the races differ significantly in average intelligence and rates of crime and illegitimacy,
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Classic white supremacist bull****. You're talking to the wrong guy for that nonsense. You should pick up a few advanced degrees, first. Or, better yet, just stop.

as I have demonstrated in this thread on several occasions.
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:lamo
You flatter yourself, undeservedly.

Finally, those who claim "Race is only a social construct," are not really sincere, because they usually advocate affirmative action policies and reparations for Negroes. How can we determine who is eligible for affirmative action and reparations if "Race is only a social construct?"
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:lamo
"Negroes", is that what the Caucasoids say under your breath, these days?

That said, you seem to have confused yourself. The FACT that race is not a biologically meaningful variable does not mean that it is invisible. It simply means that race is a phenotype. It's a physical manifestation that has little scientific value. Again, this is really not arguable. There is no science to support the notion of inherent intellectual differences between "races". Period.

No amount of white supremacist bull**** will help you, here. I'm not interested in equating anti-intellectual opinions with documented Science.
 
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Vadinho said:
True but we are seeing viral video after viral video of white people openly displaying their racism all across the nation. Its hard to take being 64 years old. I thought, no I hoped it was all behind us. I was wrong.
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anecdotal evidence is not evidence. you don't see the million videos were white people treat black people kind and nice do you?
why? because the video's you are talking about get you rilled up while the others won't and no one cares.

THis is called confirmation bias.

There will always be assholes in the world you are not going to change that.
 
ultmd said:
His point was simple and accurate. Racism has truly been increasingly mainstreamed over the last decade-plus, especially within conservative circles.

What's the point of conflating "mainstream" with "majority"....other than to blindly defend the indefensible?
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there is no evidence to support this nonsense. there is 0 evidence.
There is nothing to defend against as there is simply no evidence to support it.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
They built "canals". Do you not know what a canal?
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So they did build irrigation thanks for tell us all know something we already knew.
according to you though they didn't build them so who did?
You don't seem to understand that irrigation requires someone to build it.

Well gee who destroyed them?
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Sorry it would be iraqs fault for not rebuilding them 800 years later.

No, it wasn't. But not understanding arguments is pretty much par for the course.
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Projection arguments are fallacies for a reason.

The fact is withing the last 40 years even you can't show where anyone in this country has been enslaved.
blaming someone for something that happened 200 years ago does not solve any issue.

At some point in time people have to take responsibility for their own lives and their own actions.
Constantly blaming someone else for you failure years after the events occurred on people that had nothing to do with it
is a losing argument.
 
ludin said:
So they did build irrigation thanks for tell us all know something we already knew.
according to you though they didn't build them so who did?
You don't seem to understand that irrigation requires someone to build it.



Sorry it would be iraqs fault for not rebuilding them 800 years later.


Projection arguments are fallacies for a reason.

The fact is withing the last 40 years even you can't show where anyone in this country has been enslaved.
blaming someone for something that happened 200 years ago does not solve any issue.

At some point in time people have to take responsibility for their own lives and their own actions.
Constantly blaming someone else for you failure years after the events occurred on people that had nothing to do with it
is a losing argument.
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White privilege is telling blacks to build what they did, after locking all their tools in the shed.
 
Nickyjo said:
No quarrel with you. We act individually. But crime is high in certain areas, among certain groups for various reasons.
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in which poverty is one of the leading causes. That ranges across any poverty stricken neighborhood it isn't just 1 group.
So if we want to get down to where much of the poverty is caused i will tell you. Much of the poverty happens in various groups
that have large segments of single mothers in which there is no father present or available.

More so the younger the female the worst chance of that family living in poverty compared to an older woman.

Since we are talking about the black community lets look at the rates.
23% of black families live at the poverty level or below.

only 8% of those are black families that are married.
one of the largest groups is 46% of families with children that are headed by a single female.

So right off the bat we can see a drastic distinction between being married and not married.
This is a significant statistic since 55% of black families with kids are single mothers.

When looking at ONLY families with kids
78% of the group are single mothers
13% are married couples
and 9% are single fathers.

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.

There is a huge contrast in democraphics.

Sorry, NYT: For Child Poverty, Family Structure Still Matters | Institute for Family Studies

To begin with, children living in single-mother families are about five times as likely to be poor, compared with children living in married, two-parent families. This is clear in a recent analysis of trends in the official poverty rate from our colleague Ron Haskins at the Brookings Institution.

This isn't a knock against single mothers but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. The facts simply do not lie.
It gets worse the younger the woman is.
 
phattonez said:
Why is it bad? If I can prefer my own family over others, why not race, which is an extended family? Is it also wrong to care about by own fellow citizens more than foreigners?
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why does it matter what color someone skin is?
why does it matter if they are a foreigner and a productive member of society?
 
ludin said:
So they did build irrigation thanks for tell us all know something we already knew.

Sorry it would be iraqs fault for not rebuilding them 800 years later.
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The Iraqis built plenty of canals; but land being irrigated is not a light switch that can just be turned off and on. Diverting the waters of the Tigris and the Euphrates to irrigate much of Iraq was a process that took thousands of years.

Projection arguments are fallacies for a reason.

The fact is withing the last 40 years even you can't show where anyone in this country has been enslaved.
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The idea that racial oppression can only happen with slavery is laughably naive.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The Iraqis built plenty of canals; but land being irrigated is not a light switch that can just be turned off and on. Diverting the waters of the Tigris and the Euphrates to irrigate much of Iraq was a process that took thousands of years.
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We live in the modern age where we can build a dam in a few years or a bridge in less time.
YOu continue to lose this discussion. We are not living in the 1300's where it would take
massive amounts of manual labor and a huge work force. Not rebuilding your infrastructure 800 years
later is their fault and no one else's.


The idea that racial oppression can only happen with slavery is laughably naive.
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We live in a free society and have lived in one for a while now.
People are free to do whatever they want to do pretty much as long as it doesn't break a law.

No one in this country has been oppressed for a very long time.
 
ludin said:
We live in the modern age where we can build a dam in a few years or a bridge in less time.
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Okay, where are you going to build a dam in the Tigris and the Euphrates? Go ahead and tell me where to build it, how it will impact the water levels, flow rate, how it will impact existing infrastructure, how it will impact the water table, where will the flow be diverted, how good is the terrain for canals, where is the soil good enough to grow, and so on.

YOu continue to lose this discussion.
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You haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, and it shows very much.

No one in this country has been oppressed for a very long time.
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If you actually believe that then there is no hope for this conversation.
 
ultmd said:
The facts show that you spew ignorance, bigotry and misinformation with almost every post. Yet, when given chance to declare yourself as the racist that you appear to be....your rhetoric turns from bold and bellicose, to weaselly and squirrelly. Acknowledging that reality only qualifies as a "personal attack" to you, because you feel convicted by it.

But that's not my problem. It's yours.



:lamo
I would laugh in your face and call you out for that lie. And then you'd slink away quietly when I challenged you to prove it.

Now, how do you deal with the fact that a black man is 2.5X more likely to die at the hands of the police than you are?
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They commit far more crimes. Not surprising.
 
ludin said:
why does it matter what color someone skin is?
why does it matter if they are a foreigner and a productive member of society?
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Why would I prefer my son over a talented stranger?
 
ludin said:
anecdotal evidence is not evidence. you don't see the million videos were white people treat black people kind and nice do you?
why? because the video's you are talking about get you rilled up while the others won't and no one cares.

THis is called confirmation bias.

There will always be assholes in the world you are not going to change that.
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I see your point, unless a scientific analysis has been completed stretching year and across all police forces, individual acts of murder, rape, assault and so on by the police captured on video by onlookers and body cams should not be considered evidence supporting massive police abuses of power. I think the FBI was actually doing that until the GOP forced them to stop collecting statistics. How much study should we do until we find the pattern that convinces you the police are out of control? Ten years? Twenty? Rodney King era? Lets go back to the 70s, the 60s, 50s, hell lets go back to the Pinkertons. I think I see a trend but as you say, confirmation bias led me to a trend not my own eyes and ears.
 
phattonez said:
Why would I prefer my son over a talented stranger?
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no one says you have to that is not racism and has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
it is a non sequitur.
 
Vadinho said:
I see your point, unless a scientific analysis has been completed stretching year and across all police forces, individual acts of murder, rape, assault and so on by the police captured on video by onlookers and body cams should not be considered evidence supporting massive police abuses of power. I think the FBI was actually doing that until the GOP forced them to stop collecting statistics. How much study should we do until we find the pattern that convinces you the police are out of control? Ten years? Twenty? Rodney King era? Lets go back to the 70s, the 60s, 50s, hell lets go back to the Pinkertons. I think I see a trend but as you say, confirmation bias led me to a trend not my own eyes and ears.
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now we are moving the goal posts.
actually there is some police abuse of power and i agree in those cases the cops need to be reprimanded or punished according to the offense.

However there is no current evidence.
bringing up stuff that happened 40-50 years ago is irrelevant.
 
Vadinho said:
Please spare me the blacks are worse then us bull. I have no tolerance for this type or racist crap.,
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You have no tolerance for the truth, then. In this thread I have documented my assertions that blacks have lower IQ averages than whites, and higher rates of crime and illegitimacy.
 
phattonez said:
Why do you assume we're all equal?
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Vadinho said:
We are most definitely equal under the law, or at least that was the fairy tale I thought we all lived by. I find people like you to be so disgusting that it is beneath me to even acknowledge your existence by responding. I may decide to never hear from you again. Go ahead and make some other inane comment, I relish the opportunity to ignore you forever should you do so. You see, I really have no interest in hearing from ignorant jerks. Are you an ignorant jerk? Prove it.
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What is phattonez ignorant of, which if he knew would cause him to agree with you?
 
ludin said:
no one says you have to that is not racism and has nothing to do with what is being discussed.
it is a non sequitur.
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What's the substantial difference? Why is it okay for me to prefer my son but wrong for me to prefer someone of my extended family?
 
SmartCat said:
Following the crushing of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 AD Jews were persecuted throughout the Roman Empire. With some intermissions, this eventually culminated in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, in the United States Jew dominate positions requiring superior intelligence. They have won nearly one fifth of the Nobel Prizes.
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Jredbaron96 said:
Which has nothing to do with Blacks, but okay.
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The reason my comment is relevant to a discussion of black low IQ averages and high rates of crime and illegitimacy is that Jews faced far greater persecution for a much longer time, but they prevailed, and now tend to be better educated and more prosperous than most white Gentiles. The persistence of black problems and Jewish success give strong evidence of racial differences in genes that influence intelligence and behavior.
 
SmartCat said:
You have no tolerance for the truth, then. In this thread I have documented my assertions that blacks have lower IQ averages than whites, and higher rates of crime and illegitimacy.
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I have zero tolerance for racists and racism which means this is the last time I have to read your racist drivel.
 
phattonez said:
Deal with the facts. I don't care about your personal attack. How do you deal with the fact that I'm more likely to be killed by a rich black than poor white?
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ultmd said:
The facts show that you spew ignorance, bigotry and misinformation with almost every post. Yet, when given chance to declare yourself as the racist that you appear to be....your rhetoric turns from bold and bellicose, to weaselly and squirrelly. Acknowledging that reality only qualifies as a "personal attack" to you, because you feel convicted by it.

But that's not my problem. It's yours.



:lamo
I would laugh in your face and call you out for that lie. And then you'd slink away quietly when I challenged you to prove it.

Now, how do you deal with the fact that a black man is 2.5X more likely to die at the hands of the police than you are?
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What is phattonex ignorant of that, if he knew, would cause him to agree with you?

This is how I deal with the fact that a black man is 2.5 times more likely to die at the hands of the police than a white man.

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U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011, NCJ 236018

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008

by Alexia Cooper and Erica L. Smith, BJS Statisticians

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—

 Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). Th e off ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
 
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