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For those who believe American soldiers will not shoot Americans

The National Guard killed 4 students at Kent State.

75% of Americans approved of the Guard's actions.
 
The National Guard killed 4 students at Kent State.

75% of Americans approved of the Guard's actions.

Accidentally. They were never given the order to fire and did not target any students specifically.
 
Accidentally. They were never given the order to fire and did not target any students specifically.

Well I guess that makes it all better... :roll:
 
Someone in the student crowd fire a pistol and the NG responded.

Sad situation.
 
So what was the accident? Did they think they were given the order?

If I recall correctly, they were never sure why one guardsman fired a single round, but when they heard the shot the hyped up guardsman fired in what is called "sympathetic reaction". 66 more rounds over the next 12 seconds before the Guard commanders managed to stop the firing. IIRC about two dozen Guardsman actually fired which means on average they fire 2-3 rounds each.
 
If I recall correctly, they were never sure why one guardsman fired a single round, but when they heard the shot the hyped up guardsman fired in what is called "sympathetic reaction". 66 more rounds over the next 12 seconds before the Guard commanders managed to stop the firing. IIRC about two dozen Guardsman actually fired which means on average they fire 2-3 rounds each.

Looks like negligence caused this accident.
 
Accidentally. They were never given the order to fire and did not target any students specifically.

Not quite true. Nervous kids with guns did fire purposefully, and admitted aiming. Fortunately one one shot straight.
 
Accidentally. They were never given the order to fire and did not target any students specifically.

I'm sure that makes Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer, and William Schroeder, feel much better about dying. Scheuer and Schroeder were not even part of the antiwar protests.
 
I'm sure that makes Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer, and William Schroeder, feel much better about dying. Scheuer and Schroeder were not even part of the antiwar protests.

Miller and Krause certainly were. Miller was pretty prominent and Krauses bag had pieces of concrete in it.
 
Wasn't the Boston Massacre basically British troops firing on civilian protesters who were throwing bottles?

It's interesting that the first casualty was a Black guy--Crispus Attucks. With all the White people around in that protest somehow it's the Black guy who gets shot by the police.

I think they were more than throwing bottles, rocks, and a few musket balls.

What???!!! A Black American martyr for the cause?! Poor Crispus would have been better off a slave by some thinking. He wouldn't have been there, a free man, getting shot and dying. Uppity, and he should have known his place. :doh

There's a large portrait of Crispus with his family hanging in the entrance lobby of the Boston University administration building. Countless people have passed that portrait without looking at it or questioning why it it hanging there. The building was originally part of an integrated normal school, a school that taught young women how to teach. Descendants of Crispus' family donated the land for the building. The building has been rebuilt, expanded, but the lobby stands as it was originally built. Mostly the same walls, same floors, same ceiling. Most of the original decorating paintings. New light fixtures, electricity and other amenities. A few new doorways.
 
Miller and Krause certainly were. Miller was pretty prominent and Krauses bag had pieces of concrete in it.

Isn't that what I said? Theys till did not deserve to be shot by the Ohio National Guard for their opposition to the invasion of Cambodia.

Jim Rhodes can roast in hell for this decision. I opposed when Akron U named an athletic building after Rhoades when I was a student. They could have named it after Judith Ann Resnick, who was also an alumni of UA, who died on the Challenger and never had to change the J-A-R tiles on the floor.

Athletics Facilities - James A. Rhodes Arena - University of Akron Athletics
 
So what was the accident? Did they think they were given the order?

I read years ago that one or more of the students fired one or more shots and set off fireworks.
 
Isn't that what I said? Theys till did not deserve to be shot by the Ohio National Guard for their opposition to the invasion of Cambodia.

Jim Rhodes can roast in hell for this decision. I opposed when Akron U named an athletic building after Rhoades when I was a student. They could have named it after Judith Ann Resnick, who was also an alumni of UA, who died on the Challenger and never had to change the J-A-R tiles on the floor.

Athletics Facilities - James A. Rhodes Arena - University of Akron Athletics

Judy Resnik was a great person I'll grant you that. I followed her career with interest. Some thought she would've been the first American woman in space other than Sally Ride.
 
I read years ago that one or more of the students fired one or more shots and set off fireworks.

While alleged I don't think that was ever proven. I don't see it as likely.

I think part of that claim is that several of the National Guardsman said they heard a warning of "snipers on the rooftops" more than once prior to the shootings.
 
Krauses bag had pieces of concrete in it.

My good friend of many years, Lee, always carried samples of concrete in his bag when in college for engineering, also at Kent State. He went on to build piers, docks and airports throughout the Caribbean, came home when his father was ailing, to rebuild his father's cement business. During the Federal investigations of the cement industry for organized crime infiltration in NYC, Lee's company was the only one that was proved clean. He subsequently laid all the cement for the Javits Convention Center construction, and later for the World Trade Center completion. Good guys may finish last, but they win big for being good. Lee's grave marker reads "Eat my concrete dust."
 
Judy Resnik was a great person I'll grant you that. I followed her career with interest. Some thought she would've been the first American woman in space other than Sally Ride.

Resnick was an Akron native and far more deserving of having a building named after her than the butcher of Kent State.

Judith Resnik was born in 1949 to Sarah and Marvin Resnik, an optometrist, in Akron, Ohio.
 
Absolutely true.

The supposed pistol shot was a rumor that surfaced more than a week later. It never happened. Not one student on the campus was armed. Nor were the two dozen security personnel employed by the school. The ROTC program, housed at Dunbar Hall, a mile away from the shooting site, had never allowed armed students outside of school shooting ranges, 5 miles from the campus. It is a Class B range, three of our Olympic shooters trained on that range. The only Class A range in the country is outside of Bangor Maine. The Beretta Range in Lombardy Italy is currently the only Class A range in Europe. Another has been proposed for construction in Poland, and a site is being sought. There are two in South Africa, three in Brazil, one in Chile, none in Asia. The AFROTC at Kent never included small arms training in its programs.
 
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