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All black police force?

Logician Man said:
Definately in the ball park, sjmay. In short, it states one can pull up their boots all they want with the same, or more desire to work hard and succeed, but if there is not a level playing field to walk on due to various dynamics, past and present, one can only walk so far, regardless of how far they are willing to work, or how hard they are willing to work. Does that make sense to you?
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It does, it fits into what I told my daughter, that everything you get in life, you have to earn it, do not expect it to be given, and I told her, it's the same with black people, they have to earn everything as well, but whereas you might get easier/better choices or not have to work as hard to earn it, sometimes, they have to work double, and it still may not happen, that's a part of racism, but it doesn't mean you stop trying.

I find it frustrating though that people again, in general, not all of them, just quit after one, and say, it's not gonna happen because of XXXXXX etc, well no, you have to earn it, and **** ain't easy to earn.

Small background, I went from having no life plan not really caring, being homeless because I was an idiot, to living out of my car, to where I am now, owning my own business, working for myself, making a living where I can comfortably say we are middle class, and working on another project......did I face the battles that black people do, no, absolutely not, but I faced other challenges....

It's just really frustrating to I guess see "fake" racism at play, when there is real live racism that needs to be dealt with. The whole, it's because I'm black thing, to me, is self-fulfilling prophecy, while yea, it may be just because you are black and that absolutely is wrong and has to change, but it could just be you weren't qualified, and instead of doing something to get qualified, you complain about race.....
 
Logician Man said:
Just my 2 cents/observations, Bhodi, but it seems Floyd is being perceived to be more of an unwilling martyr than a hero.
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You are correct. I was having a brain fart moment and that word was escaping my limited thinking skills.

I was literally sitting here with a scrunched face looking up trying to think and think... but I failed. :lol:
 
HumblePi said:
Why are there comments right above you on this page claiming that he resisted when he clearly did not? You know that's the way people will justify this man's murder, "he resisted, he deserved it". YOU KNOW that's how it's going right here on DP. And that's only ONE instance of deflection and attempts to justify this by pinning blame on George Floyd and not the cops.
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Because he did resist, he intially resisted because he did not want to go into the car, because he was claustrophobic, why are you denying what happened?
 
Excon said:
Wrong as usual.
1. Force had to be employed to get him out of the vehicle to begin with.
2. Then additional force of another officer was needed to get the cuffs on him becasue he was resisting.
3. Later he resisted getting into the police vehicle saying he was claustrophobic (even though he had just previously been in an enclose vehicle).
4. Then in the vehicle he was fighting being inside that they had to take him out and three officers were needed to subdue him'
Of course he resisted, and had he not, no error (real or imagined) could have occurred.
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Disagree, EVEN if he resisted, there's no excuse for what happened, chalking it up to an error is disingenuous.
 
TurtleDude said:
which is often a very good idea just as the people who broke the Mafia were often Italian-American cops and prosecutors.
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I had a great racist joke to put in here but thought better of it...
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are correct. I was having a brain fart moment and that word was escaping my limited thinking skills.

I was literally sitting here with a scrunched face looking up trying to think and think... but I failed. :lol:
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Don't stoop to TD's hate-filled level, Bhodi. You're made of better stuff than that. Just 2 more of my cents. :peace
 
Excon said:
Bs.
If people would stop resisting and trying to argue with the police there likely would be no error (real or imagined) during restraint.
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Code 4 = suspect in custody.
You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, as usual.
Floyd was already in custody and was not resisting. He was handcuffed.
And Chauvin was not practicing "restraint" because he was using an illegal procedure, and it is specifically outlined as such.
You're terrified, and it shows.
 
Logician Man said:
Don't stoop to TD's hate-filled level, Bhodi. You're made of better stuff. Just 2 more of my cents. :peace
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I have a reputation to uphold, mate. ;)
 
sjmay said:
Disagree, EVEN if he resisted, there's no excuse for what happened, chalking it up to an error is disingenuous.
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Dude... if it is a post of his just automatically assume it is stupid and you will never be disappointed.
 
sjmay said:
It does, it fits into what I told my daughter, that everything you get in life, you have to earn it, do not expect it to be given, and I told her, it's the same with black people, they have to earn everything as well, but whereas you might get easier/better choices or not have to work as hard to earn it, sometimes, they have to work double, and it still may not happen, that's a part of racism, but it doesn't mean you stop trying.

I find it frustrating though that people again, in general, not all of them, just quit after one, and say, it's not gonna happen because of XXXXXX etc, well no, you have to earn it, and **** ain't easy to earn.

Small background, I went from having no life plan not really caring, being homeless because I was an idiot, to living out of my car, to where I am now, owning my own business, working for myself, making a living where I can comfortably say we are middle class, and working on another project......did I face the battles that black people do, no, absolutely not, but I faced other challenges....

It's just really frustrating to I guess see "fake" racism at play, when there is real live racism that needs to be dealt with. The whole, it's because I'm black thing, to me, is self-fulfilling prophecy, while yea, it may be just because you are black and that absolutely is wrong and has to change, but it could just be you weren't qualified, and instead of doing something to get qualified, you complain about race.....
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That's an uplifting story. Glad you came through in tact, and are now on the correct path. Congratulations.
 
sjmay said:
Disagree, EVEN if he resisted, there's no excuse for what happened, chalking it up to an error is disingenuous.
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regardless of your opinion, nothing I said about his behavior can be disagreed with as they are facts of the case.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Code 4 = suspect in custody.
You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, as usual.
Floyd was already in custody and was not resisting. He was handcuffed.
And Chauvin was not practicing "restraint" because he was using an illegal procedure, and it is specifically outlined as such.
You're terrified, and it shows.
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He was resisting. It took the weight of three officers to get him under control.

As usual you have no clue as to what you speak.
 
CaughtInThe said:
or, you know, not have police unjustly kill US citizens.
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Well, since crime happens, and there are a million police, thst is unrealistic. This however would shine a light on what is really the issue.
 
TurtleDude said:
Intelligent people understand that when someone is tasked with dealing with the worst members of society-violent robbers, murderers, sex traffickers, gangsters and sadists, sometimes lethal force needs to be used. And that will result in mistakes involving the improper use of such force against people who do not merit being clubbed, shot, or otherwise physically harmed.

I wonder if you were upset when a Federal Agent shot a boy's dog and then the boy in the back when he fired a couple wild shots at the unseen killer of his dog? Were you outraged when a shoot on sight order was given concerning racial separatists Kevin Harris and the Weaver family (minus the son who was shot in the back) and as a result of those orders-an FBI sniper shot an unarmed woman through the head as she held a baby? Probably not because those people weren't "liberals", but rather bigots (though Randy Weaver was a decorated former Special Forces soldier).

Were you protesting when a black man holding a pellet rifle in a store near dayton was shot to death by Police because some idiot called 9-1-1 and falsely claimed the victims threatening people with an "assault rifle"?? Did you speak out when this happened a few months ago?

Maryland man fatally shot by police 'while asleep in his bedroom' | US news | The Guardian

the fact is-as long as we hire police to deal with those who would harm us, the police will sometimes make mistakes or even deliberately harm someone who is not a threat. But trying to use these failures as a means to attack a president you cannot stand is really rather pathetic
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Well put
 
What could go wrong ?


Simpletruther said:
Not sure if the if the courts would let it pass, but given blacks get special treatment, it might.

I would love to see some of these big cities with racial problems go to That. No more blaming Whitey police for their problems then. I doubt things would improve as far as crime or abuse goes, but it might at least help race relations as blacks see maybe it wasn’t such a race thing and the media has been fooling them.

I doubt dem politicians, governors, mayors would go for it at all, because of this. It wouldn’t Change anything, and and would take away their scapegoats and boogie men for their problems.
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Integrityrespec said:
Atlanta is reportedly about 60% black but they just give the black officers the same s*** as the white ones. It's about black crime, somehow it isn't to be permissible for police to deal with it.
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Yea but if it were all black, no more crying racism and whitey cops is murdering blacks.
 
Dayton3 said:
It wouldn't work. Even when it is black police officers seen as mistreating black citizens the common narrative is that the black police officers are members of and serve an established white power culture.
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Still, they couldn’t blame deaths on whites anymore. And 5enpower structure would be local dems, so.
 
VanceMack said:
The fact is that black and white police officers are involved in these incidents because they are dealing with the same people.

And whether people believe it or not, the George Floyd incident is the exception...not the rule.



And I can already hear it...someone will make the idiotic argument about it being Tucker Carlson or Fox News...but he is literally citing the same WASHINGTON POST database that I've posted here numerous times that specifically lists every fatal police shooting annually.

Facts destroy the rhetoric.
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How someone can hear these facts and continue with this destructive evil narrative is mind blowing. Yet we know many here on this very board will be unmoved by basic facts and reasoning.
 
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Simpletruther said:
How someone can hear these facts and continue with this destructive evil narrative is mind blowing. Yet we know many hear on this very board will be unmoved by basic gpfscts snd reasoning.
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Curious George needed a ass whoopin not death.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Or maybe just remove all the White Power guys from the force, every last one of them, and see to it that people like that can never become police officers again or in the first place.
Maybe with a policy like that in place, we might just see the day where police officers have respect for the community they work in, and the community has respect for them.

Sorry but the trust was not broken by the community in Minneapolis, the trust was broken by the police.
And your pathetic weak sauce isn't going to buy them any reprieve.

So you take that and stick it right where it belongs, "WHITEY".
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No, it was broken by 4 policemen. 2019 on 11 unarmed men killed by cops. Most of them were attacking.

Police killing unjustly is almost nonexistent. It happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year. This is utter nonsense as an issue.
 
Excon said:
He was resisting. It took the weight of three officers to get him under control.

As usual you have no clue as to what you speak.
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Perhaps you could show us all where Floyd resisted with so much force that it took three officers (lie) AND the full weight of Chauvin on his neck to get him under control.
I've provided links to three videos:

Video 1: Security camera

Video 2: Body cam

Video 3: Cell phone video

The weight of three officers my rosy red ass.

You make it out like George Floyd was Dwayne The Rock Johnson or Rambo.
"Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous."

The knee-to-neck move is banned by several major metropolitan police departments, but Minneapolis police allow police to restrain suspects' necks if they're aggressive or resisting arrest. Floyd was unarmed and handcuffed when he was pinned to the ground.
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An unarmed and handcuffed suspect who can't be subdued by three cops?
Boy howdy I hope their wives don't ever hit them with their purses.

And you?
If you're that terrified at the prospect of an unarmed man in handcuffs, you should probably avoid pissing off a six year-old Girl Scout.
 
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