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The fundamental problem with most conservatives that causes conflict

SonOfDaedalus

SonOfDaedalus

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When dealing with other human beings, when dealing with your neighbor, what's the key to peace?

1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.

2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises

To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise.

The problem with conservatives is that throughout conservative history they have completely resisted these pillars of peace.

Gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, police brutality, and Muslims and the Middle East are just some examples. They make little to no effort to try and see things from the other's point of view.

Colin Kaepernick peacefully protests police brutality by kneeling during the anthem. Do conservatives try to see things from his perspective? No, they demand he be punished.

The really crazy thing is that seeing things from other people's perspective is a very Christian world view. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" commands you place yourself in the position of the other.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
When dealing with other human beings, when dealing with your neighbor, what's the key to peace?

1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.

2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises

To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise.

The problem with conservatives is that throughout conservative history they have completely resisted these pillars of peace.

Gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, police brutality, and Muslims and the Middle East are just some examples. They make little to no effort to try and see things from the other's point of view.

Colin Kaepernick peacefully protests police brutality by kneeling during the anthem. Do conservatives try to see things from his perspective? No, they demand he be punished.

The really crazy thing is that seeing things from other people's perspective is a very Christian world view. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" commands you place yourself in the position of the other.
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Conservatives complain about rioting but then they bitch and complain when someone like Kaepernick does a PEACEFUL protest by kneeling. What it comes down to is conservatives will bitch about ANY protesting peaceful or not because they don't believe in the first amendment unless they can use it to keep a baker from making a cake for two gay guys getting married or be able to gather in numbers to spread the corona virus praying.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
When dealing with other human beings, when dealing with your neighbor, what's the key to peace?
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The key to peace is having obviously overwhelming force on one side or the other. That will deter the weaker side from fighting (or, if the weaker side is crazy, will end the fighting quickly).

Though if your goal is to employ as many professional "peace activists" as possible, the touchy feely "hold the other guy's hand while he bites you" approach will work wonders.

Gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, police brutality, and Muslims and the Middle East are just some examples. They make little to no effort to try and see things from the other's point of view.
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Conservatives have generally moderated their views on those issues. Liberals have only become more extreme in their demands over time. You are projecting.
 
Praxas said:
Conservatives complain about rioting but then they bitch and complain when someone like Kaepernick does a PEACEFUL protest by kneeling. What it comes down to is conservatives will bitch about ANY protesting peaceful or not because they don't believe in the first amendment unless they can use it to keep a baker from making a cake for two gay guys getting married or be able to gather in numbers to spread the corona virus praying.
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Not 100% true. They're fine with hearing up in camo and rifles, as long as they're the ones doing the protesting.
 
AmNat said:
Conservatives have generally moderated their views on those issues. Liberals have only become more extreme in their demands over time. You are projecting.
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Conservatives went bat **** crazy over Kaepernick's PEACEFUL protest of kneeling. Sorry but what you say is a LIE. You conservatives haven't become more moderate, you've gone extreme right.
 
Praxas said:
Conservatives complain about rioting but then they bitch and complain when someone like Kaepernick does a PEACEFUL protest by kneeling. What it comes down to is conservatives will bitch about ANY protesting peaceful or not because they don't believe in the first amendment unless they can use it to keep a baker from making a cake for two gay guys getting married or be able to gather in numbers to spread the corona virus praying.
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In America you are allowed to bitch and complain. Colin can protest all he wants, and we are free to point at him and call him scum. Turn on your TV, those violent thugs beating innocent people are lefties. Spare us the bull****.
 
AlphaOmega said:
In America you are allowed to bitch and complain. Colin can protest all he wants, and we are free to point at him and call him scum. Turn on your TV, those violent thugs beating innocent people are lefties. Spare us the bull****.
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Yet again you demonstrate what I said to be 100% true. You cons only like protests if it is YOU protesting. And no, you cons have lobbied to have those kneeling protests banned in the NFL. Sickening how anti 1st amendment the scumbag right have become.
 
Praxas said:
Conservatives went bat **** crazy over Kaepernick's PEACEFUL protest of kneeling.
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Many conservatives elected not to patronize a business that made its contempt for them clear (via the actions of its on-the-clock employees). This only seems "bat **** crazy" to you because you feel entitled to a complete lack of resistance.

Sorry but what you say is a LIE. You conservatives haven't become more moderate, you've gone extreme right.
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It's not healthy to live with these sorts of delusions. Have you considered psychotherapy? I hear it's offered online now.
 
AmNat said:
Many conservatives elected not to patronize a business that made its contempt for them clear (via the actions of its on-the-clock employees). This only seems "bat **** crazy" to you because you feel entitled to a complete lack of resistance.



It's not healthy to live with these sorts of delusions. Have you considered psychotherapy? I hear it's offered online now.
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Sorry you don't like facts and choose to live in your fictional world. The reality is the right has gone extreme and go bat **** crazy against protests....unless of course they are doing the protesting.
 
Praxas said:
Yet again you demonstrate what I said to be 100% true. You cons only like protests if it is YOU protesting. And no, you cons have lobbied to have those kneeling protests banned in the NFL. Sickening how anti 1st amendment the scumbag right have become.
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Let us know when you find a TV channel where conservatives are torching police cars, looting, burning businesses down and beating innocent citizens. ****ing idiots.
 
Praxas said:
Sorry you don't like facts and choose to live in your fictional world. The reality is the right has gone extreme and go bat **** crazy against protests....unless of course they are doing the protesting.
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I should have been more clear. When I said you could get treatment online, I wasn't referring to myself. I do not possess the qualifications to treat paranoid delusions. However, you can find people with the required qualifications via a Google search (or Bing, DuckDuckGo, or any other search engine).
 
AmNat said:
I should have been more clear. When I said you could get treatment online, I wasn't referring to myself. I do not possess the qualifications to treat paranoid delusions. However, you can find people with the required qualifications via a Google search (or Bing, DuckDuckGo, or any other search engine).
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Sorry you don't like facts and choose to live in your fictional world. The reality is the right has gone extreme and go bat **** crazy against protests....unless of course they are doing the protesting.
 
I find the OP somewhat interesting.

"1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.
2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises
To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise."

I do not disagree with the points in general. I do disagree that the OP points only at conservatives. One only needs to look at life in the US to know that both sides rarely listen and puts oneself in the other shoes to see their respective. Both sides rarely are willing to compromise.

The fundamental problem is both sides are not going to budge. So the problem is not just a conservative problem.
 
AlphaOmega said:
In America you are allowed to bitch and complain. Colin can protest all he wants, and we are free to point at him and call him scum. Turn on your TV, those violent thugs beating innocent people are lefties. Spare us the bull****.
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You called him scum for wanting to point out the problem with policing in American minority communities. How can you deny that he was right and there is a problem now?

You're just as responsible for the violence as the "leftist thugs." You chose to ignore the problem. You supported a president who called those who peacefully protested sons-of-bitches. Now that the situation explodes, you need to take responsibility. Oh, like your president, you take no responsibility.

Was Kaepernick right? Is there a problem? Did you not see the officer with knee on the Black man's neck? Did you not see 3 other officers there doing nothing?
 
mike2810 said:
I find the OP somewhat interesting.

"1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.
2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises
To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise."

I do not disagree with the points in general. I do disagree that the OP points only at conservatives. One only needs to look at life in the US to know that both sides rarely listen and puts oneself in the other shoes to see their respective. Both sides rarely are willing to compromise.

The fundamental problem is both sides are not going to budge. So the problem is not just a conservative problem.
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I point at conservatives because if we're talking about the other as someone who is of a different ethnicity or religion then it's clearly a conservative problem.

Are you honestly going to deny that conservatives are less likely to see things from the perspective of someone of a different race, religion or sexual orientation?

Gay marriage. All you have to do is ask, "What if I were gay and wanted to marry my partner?"
Illegal immigrants. What if I were an illegal immigrant looking for work to feed my family?
Muslims. What if I were one of the billions of Muslims who are not terrorists? How would I feel being treated like a terrorist?
Police brutality. How would I feel if my brother or son were brutalized by police officers?

In terms of liberals, I do feel they don't ask themselves, what if I were very religious and cared a lot about this issue?

If both sides consider the other, they can compromise.

I just think that conservatives have been very reluctant to compromise or consider how minorities feel.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I point at conservatives because if we're talking about the other as someone who is of a different ethnicity or religion then it's clearly a conservative problem.

Are you honestly going to deny that conservatives are less likely to see things from the perspective of someone of a different race, religion or sexual orientation?

Gay marriage. All you have to do is ask, "What if I were gay and wanted to marry my partner?"
Illegal immigrants. What if I were an illegal immigrant looking for work to feed my family?
Muslims. What if I were one of the billions of Muslims who are not terrorists? How would I feel being treated like a terrorist?
Police brutality. How would I feel if my brother or son were brutalized by police officers?

In terms of liberals, I do feel they don't ask themselves, what if I were very religious and cared a lot about this issue?

If both sides consider the other, they can compromise.

I just think that conservatives have been very reluctant to compromise or consider how minorities feel.
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imo, some liberals are not willing to put themselves in a conservative persons shoes. They do not try to understand why a conservative may have a different take on an issue.

My point stands. rarely are both sides willing to compromise.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
When dealing with other human beings, when dealing with your neighbor, what's the key to peace?

1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.

2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises

To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise.

The problem with conservatives is that throughout conservative history they have completely resisted these pillars of peace.

Gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, police brutality, and Muslims and the Middle East are just some examples. They make little to no effort to try and see things from the other's point of view.

Colin Kaepernick peacefully protests police brutality by kneeling during the anthem. Do conservatives try to see things from his perspective? No, they demand he be punished.

The really crazy thing is that seeing things from other people's perspective is a very Christian world view. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" commands you place yourself in the position of the other.
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You're right, the key is making deliberate and concerted effort to understand, because theres really no way that we can know what someone fighting social problems in another state and entirely different circumstance is actually going through. Even if they explain it, we cant really know but the effort needs to be made. That's when you find the common ground and small concessions that can easily be made.

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SonOfDaedalus said:
When dealing with other human beings, when dealing with your neighbor, what's the key to peace?

1. The key is understanding. You have to be willing to listen to your neighbor and put yourself in his shoes and see things from his perspective.

2. You have to care enough about peace to be willing to make some compromises

To have peace you need both parties to make sincere efforts to see things from the other's perspective and compromise.

The problem with conservatives is that throughout conservative history they have completely resisted these pillars of peace.

Gay rights, women's rights, illegal immigrants, police brutality, and Muslims and the Middle East are just some examples. They make little to no effort to try and see things from the other's point of view.

Colin Kaepernick peacefully protests police brutality by kneeling during the anthem. Do conservatives try to see things from his perspective? No, they demand he be punished.

The really crazy thing is that seeing things from other people's perspective is a very Christian world view. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" commands you place yourself in the position of the other.
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But most importantly you have to recognize your "white privelege", your "inherent racism", and you have to be ok with radical leftist looting and burning your place of business. Anyone who has empathy for the rioters, the looters is nuts.
Big difference in protest and riot. We have riots in roughly 25 democrat run cities and it will not stop because the liberal mayors can't bring themselves to stop it.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You called him scum for wanting to point out the problem with policing in American minority communities. How can you deny that he was right and there is a problem now?

You're just as responsible for the violence as the "leftist thugs." You chose to ignore the problem. You supported a president who called those who peacefully protested sons-of-bitches. Now that the situation explodes, you need to take responsibility. Oh, like your president, you take no responsibility.

Was Kaepernick right? Is there a problem? Did you not see the officer with knee on the Black man's neck? Did you not see 3 other officers there doing nothing?
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I'm not responsible for any violence. Typical leftist...its your fault we act out with violence and beat innocent people.
ahhh yes..lefties so enraged by the killing of George Floyd that they go out and kill Patrick Undwerwood. What hypocrites leftist scum are.
The only people responsible for this violence are the people committing it. Only an imbecile blames other people for the violent acts of others.
On the Floyd death...the officer is under arrest for murder. Same as when other people get murdered.
Also...Kaepernick can protest all he wants. He is allowed to piss on the anthem and the flag all he wants. I am also free to point at him and say what filth. Doing this to the anthem is like beating up a kid in a wheelchair to get attention.
And yes I saw the video and condemned it as straight up murder because thats what it was. However here in America we have a justice system. That system doesnt include murdering other innocent people and burning cities across America. How stupid are lefties?
 
Praxas said:
Yet again you demonstrate what I said to be 100% true. You cons only like protests if it is YOU protesting. And no, you cons have lobbied to have those kneeling protests banned in the NFL. Sickening how anti 1st amendment the scumbag right have become.
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Murder, looting, arson and beating innocent people are 1st amendment rights only to leftist morons.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Murder, looting, arson and beating innocent people are 1st amendment rights only to leftist morons.
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And here you are lying again since I said none of those were 1st amendment rights. Is lying all you have now? Yep, it appears so since you can't post anything honest. Typical Trump supporter, beta boy comments are all you have.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
The really crazy thing is that seeing things from other people's perspective is a very Christian world view. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" commands you place yourself in the position of the other.
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No it doesn't.
 
Praxas said:
And here you are lying again since I said none of those were 1st amendment rights. Is lying all you have now? Yep, it appears so since you can't post anything honest. Typical Trump supporter, beta boy comments are all you have.
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and I clearly told you colin is a scumbag filthy twat for kneeling during the anthem. Him and anyone else who gives our nation the middle finger are scum. He also wears socks with police officers depicted as pigs. What a scumbag. Anyone who likes this guy is a moron. Do you have an issue with my right to say that?
 
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