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Trump down 17% with Independents?

Puigb said:
One things for certain, Trump's advantage among independents he had over Clinton in 2016 seems to have vanished. Independents don't dislike Biden anywhere near as much as they disliked Clinton.
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Very true. Speaking of that. Here's something I found that is interesting when I was checking or delving deep into the polls. In 2016 according to Gallup 25% of all Americans disliked and didn’t want neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. The dislike factor or the hate factor depending on how one’s view this.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

According to the exit polls, these folks who didn’t want neither candidate broke for Trump 47-30 over Clinton. Trump’s favorable back then was at 36%, Hillary’s 38% nationally.

What I’m seeing today using RCP favorable averaging is Trump is up from 36 to 41% nationally, Biden up from Hillary's 38% to 44% nationally with those who disliked both candidates down from 25% to 14%. Being this election is a referendum on Trump, I expect those who dislike both candidates to break for Biden this time around instead of going to Trump as they did in 2016. An even split would benefit Biden, but most polls show Biden winning this dislike both candidate group. In 2016, 6% of all Americans voted third party, against Trump and against Hillary Clinton. I don’t expect that high of a number in 2020. Probably closer to the normal average of 1.5%. The disliked of both candidates are way down, also instead of polls showing at the end of May 2016 13% stating they would vote third party, at the end of May 2020, only 4% are doing so. Advantage Biden in my book.

Am I reading this right, time will tell.
 
Scorps2000 said:
When will you people realize polls are NOT accurate when it comes to Trump supporters.

Question: How are polls put together?
Answer: Pollsters ask question to potential votes.

What do Trump supports do when they see a pollster? Walk the other way!!
Polls are NOT accurate when it comes to Trump supporters.
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i disagree to a point. my guess that they would walk right up to the pollster, confront him or her for wearing a mask, and then get belligerent about how the orange ****pie is the best thing since hand jobs were invented. then they'd say "i bet you won't report that; i know how you ****ers are" and storm off. how a "**** your questions" response like that would be recorded is certainly up for debate, but as a pollster, i would probably report it as pro-Punkinhead.
 
Helix said:
i disagree to a point. my guess that they would walk right up to the pollster, confront him or her for wearing a mask, and then get belligerent about how the orange ****pie is the best thing since hand jobs were invented. then they'd say "i bet you won't report that; i know how you ****ers are" and storm off. how a "**** your questions" response like that would be recorded is certainly up for debate, but as a pollster, i would probably report it as pro-Punkinhead.
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I disagree...
 
Luther said:
He does?

Hes given out Trillions of $$$$ along with our worthless congress

Even to people who didn't even need it like me
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Yes,

The Pandemic has shown that Trump lacks crisis management skills. I would not put any money on Trump winning in Nov.
 
As an independent President Trump lost my vote a ways back.

While he has had some ideas I agree with. I cannot stand the way he presents himself and others. The worse is the monotone reading of his speeches.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes. My cat, my dear leader, doesn't deserve to be attacked.
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I know.
The poor little guy.
He can't handle himself.
He needs his online crew to protect him.

Everybody is picking on him and bullying him.

I heard the Electorate bullied Trump into signing the covid stimulus bill.
Can you imagine how bad off you must be when the Electorate is picking on you.

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yankintx said:
Yes,
The Pandemic has shown that Trump lacks crisis management skills. I would not put any money on Trump winning in Nov.
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If everything'd been easy, Trump could've skated in as one of the worst PotUS'

Now that he's being tested, he'll become the celebrated nadir of US presidents.

Trumpco customers will not be remembered fondly in American history.

Calling someone a <insert some version of Trumpco customer here>
will become a popular political epithet like Nazi, but more foolish and less menacing.

There will be a tremendous number theses and dissertations written to explain how so many people could be taken in so thoroughly by stuff that is so obviously bull****.
 
mike2810 said:
As an independent President Trump lost my vote a ways back.
While he has had some ideas I agree with. I cannot stand the way he presents himself and others. The worse is the monotone reading of his speeches.
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It's hard to believe, but
Trump is just as dumb as he acts


stupid is as stupid does
 
Puigb said:
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1266948357978808320

Yikes. The idiot has done literally nothing to increase his base since he's been elected. "MAGA!" I guess.
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Polls are bull****, and most people who claim independant, arent. But even if it were true does it matter? They just wont vote (like me). Neither will a chunk of democrats who dont like Biden. Trump wins.

I dont like it, but the people screwed us with their partisan games over the last 2 centuries.
 
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Mycroft said:
Yes. My cat, my dear leader, doesn't deserve to be attacked.
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My cat doesn't deserve to be attacked either, but that POS in the white house certainly does! You get what you give, he set the tone on name calling, attacks and insults.
 
mike2810 said:
As an independent President Trump lost my vote a ways back.

While he has had some ideas I agree with. I cannot stand the way he presents himself and others. The worse is the monotone reading of his speeches.
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Correct, but you can't dispute some of the successes that he has had. Like, the economy, international trade and the fact that other countries respect us now more than ever.
American’s need to purchase “Made in America” products and boycott any products made in China.
 
Scorps2000 said:
Correct, but you can't dispute some of the successes that he has had. Like, the economy, international trade and the fact that other countries respect us now more than ever.
American’s need to purchase “Made in America” products and boycott any products made in China.
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I can agree the economy was doing well till CV19. CV19 showed how fragile the economy is. Also how dependent the workforce is on restaurant and entertainment industry.
As far as other countries respect us, I would have to see what source and data you have to back that up.

To the extent possible I try to purchase "Made in the USA". Yet I also realize we live in a world economy.
 
Mycroft said:
Yes. My cat, my dear leader, doesn't deserve to be attacked.
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If this was ancient Rome, he would long ago have been sewn into a sack with a viper, rooster, dog, and monkey, all starved, then thrown into the Tiber. Usually it's for parracide, but I'm sure an exception would be made. . .

But in some ways man has regressed. 40% of the voting population worships at his altar, praying for a chance to lick his ass clean.
 
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