An Unintended Consequence?

I don't know how long this video will be up but - GRAPHIC CONTENT. SHOWS PERSON BEING DRAGGED BY A SEMI

This seems to have been an incident tied to the St Louis protests last night. Near as I can tell, protestors blocked traffic and the FedEx truck was caught up. Protestors swarmed the truck and the driver got nervous and tried to take off. Protestors, realizing someone was stuck, tried to stop the truck but that only frightened the driver more and the protestor seems to he been dragged to his death.

Here's a story on the incident - Man dragged by FedEx truck dies during night of George Floyd protests in St. Louis | News Headlines | kmov.com

I'm reasonably sure that the protestors just wanted to protest and loot the truck. I'm also sure that the driver didn't want to get in the middle of an angry, hostile crowd. Those are just my opinions.

Should anyone be charged in the death? Is the driver guilty of murder? Are the protestors accessories to murder? Most importantly, was any of this incident "justice" for George Floyd or anyone else ever killed, injured or disrespected by a cop?

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Lutherf said:

I'm reasonably sure that the protestors just wanted to protest and loot the truck.

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Is nothing too awful to rape to score internet points against your perceived political foes?





Bystander Jared Arms captured a video of protesters blocking off a section of the road with their cars and setting something on fire when the FedEx truck approached. As it came to a halt, a crowd of protesters surrounded the front of the truck and began banging and climbing onto the passenger side. Police said two people standing on the passenger side footboard of the truck pointed guns at the driver. Demonstrators were also seen running off with packages from the trailer. The truck driver, fearing for his safety police said, sounded his horn then drove from the Interstate 70 ramp to North Broadway and Cass.

Cries of "back the truck up" and "someone is under the truck" can be heard from Arms' video. A man, who was seen standing between the truck's two trailers, was dragged by the semi truck just moments later. Police said the driver did not know the victim was there.

Nevermind your source's very questionable assumption that everyone who was there was a "demonstrator". Criminal elements slip into every protest to cause havoc once they have cover by low lighting and crowds.

The way that reads, the actual protesters were trying to get the driver to back up. If you had a gun and a driver stopped with a wheel crushing part of someone, might you not use that gun to get his attention if he is not responding? Even if you have no intention of harming him, to get his attention because he's just sitting there....on someone? I know I'd do anything I could do. No gun? Take a shoe off, put my fist in it, punch the window in and hope I don't slice my veins open in the process. Anything because the truck is stopped on top of someone.

Bottom line is you don't know and I don't know. Maybe protesters suddenly turned into a conspiracy to rob a FedEx. Or maybe protesters were trying to get the guy to back up, and the criminal elements that slip into every protest took advantage.

But there you are assuming that the most inculpatory version (for protesters-in-general, not the specific people there) is true. Why? Gotta feed the narrative.

Lutherf said:

I don't know how long this video will be up but - GRAPHIC CONTENT. SHOWS PERSON BEING DRAGGED BY A SEMI

This seems to have been an incident tied to the St Louis protests last night. Near as I can tell, protestors blocked traffic and the FedEx truck was caught up. Protestors swarmed the truck and the driver got nervous and tried to take off. Protestors, realizing someone was stuck, tried to stop the truck but that only frightened the driver more and the protestor seems to he been dragged to his death.

Here's a story on the incident - Man dragged by FedEx truck dies during night of George Floyd protests in St. Louis | News Headlines | kmov.com

I'm reasonably sure that the protestors just wanted to protest and loot the truck. I'm also sure that the driver didn't want to get in the middle of an angry, hostile crowd. Those are just my opinions.

Should anyone be charged in the death? Is the driver guilty of murder? Are the protestors accessories to murder? Most importantly, was any of this incident "justice" for George Floyd or anyone else ever killed, injured or disrespected by a cop?

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The Darwin Award Committee is still looking for applicants. I'm sure they'll get more.

And no, the driver should not be charged. Neither should the protesters. The dumb**** paid the consequences for his action.

Move on...

Back during the Los Angeles riots, there was one famous case were rioters dragged a truck driver out of his truck and beat him to a coma.

Rodney King riots.

But yeah, don't stop for nothing during a riot.

Lutherf said:

I don't know how long this video will be up but - GRAPHIC CONTENT. SHOWS PERSON BEING DRAGGED BY A SEMI

This seems to have been an incident tied to the St Louis protests last night. Near as I can tell, protestors blocked traffic and the FedEx truck was caught up. Protestors swarmed the truck and the driver got nervous and tried to take off. Protestors, realizing someone was stuck, tried to stop the truck but that only frightened the driver more and the protestor seems to he been dragged to his death.

Here's a story on the incident - Man dragged by FedEx truck dies during night of George Floyd protests in St. Louis | News Headlines | kmov.com

I'm reasonably sure that the protestors just wanted to protest and loot the truck. I'm also sure that the driver didn't want to get in the middle of an angry, hostile crowd. Those are just my opinions.

Should anyone be charged in the death? Is the driver guilty of murder? Are the protestors accessories to murder? Most importantly, was any of this incident "justice" for George Floyd or anyone else ever killed, injured or disrespected by a cop?

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The graphic scene begins a little after the 26:30 mark.

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too early to make a darwin award nomination?

If any of you ever drove a semi, you would know that you can't hear **** from outside the truck when you are putting RPM's to the engine with the windows up.


Play stupid games, and win stupid prizes.

I am not sure much could have been done here.

Terrible situation, unequal expectations, and awful results.

Not sure this would play out well in court, unsure there should be charges.

Lutherf said:

I don't know how long this video will be up but - GRAPHIC CONTENT. SHOWS PERSON BEING DRAGGED BY A SEMI

This seems to have been an incident tied to the St Louis protests last night. Near as I can tell, protestors blocked traffic and the FedEx truck was caught up. Protestors swarmed the truck and the driver got nervous and tried to take off. Protestors, realizing someone was stuck, tried to stop the truck but that only frightened the driver more and the protestor seems to he been dragged to his death.

Here's a story on the incident - Man dragged by FedEx truck dies during night of George Floyd protests in St. Louis | News Headlines | kmov.com

I'm reasonably sure that the protestors just wanted to protest and loot the truck. I'm also sure that the driver didn't want to get in the middle of an angry, hostile crowd. Those are just my opinions.

Should anyone be charged in the death? Is the driver guilty of murder? Are the protestors accessories to murder? Most importantly, was any of this incident "justice" for George Floyd or anyone else ever killed, injured or disrespected by a cop?

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So this becomes a garish twist on Reginald Denny?

swing_voter said:

Back during the Los Angeles riots, there was one famous case were rioters dragged a truck driver out of his truck and beat him to a coma.

Rodney King riots.

But yeah, don't stop for nothing during a riot.

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My city had an interstate that use to occasionally briefly flood under certain conditions. This was in one of the worst neighborhoods in the country. When it flooded, trucks would get jacked all the time. Locals knew to never get caught there, and never reroute down the side-streets.

RetiredUSN said:

If any of you ever drove a semi, you would know that you can't hear **** from outside the truck when you are putting RPM's to the engine with the windows up.


Play stupid games, and win stupid prizes.

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That's a great line.

The whole world is watching is a phrase coined by my generation when anti-war protesters were arrested by the establishment "pigs". The police were clearly wrong to arrest peaceful protesters.

In the last few days, I can honestly say that am ashamed of my countrymen. These aren't protests. This is anarchy!
Shame on those who enable and make excuses for those who loot, and destroy public and private property.

trixare4kids said:

The whole world is watching is a phrase coined by my generation when anti-war protesters were arrested by the establishment "pigs". The police were clearly wrong to arrest peaceful protesters.

In the last few days, I can honestly say that am ashamed of my countrymen. These aren't protests. This is anarchy!
Shame on those who enable and make excuses for those who loot, and destroy public and private property.

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It's heartbreaking to see your fellowman act so uncivilized. And it is even more heart wrenching to see the majority are young.

The protester in this instance was young and dumb. I sure as heck would not stop in the middle of a mob. No way.

It is looking like tonight we are in for another horrible night of unrest. The tension has been mounting all day. In just a little bit it will be dark and that is when the cockroaches come out.

Chomsky said:

That's a great line.

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But sad as well giving the situation "Chom"

Mr Person said:

Is nothing too awful to rape to score internet points against your perceived political foes?





Bystander Jared Arms captured a video of protesters blocking off a section of the road with their cars and setting something on fire when the FedEx truck approached. As it came to a halt, a crowd of protesters surrounded the front of the truck and began banging and climbing onto the passenger side. Police said two people standing on the passenger side footboard of the truck pointed guns at the driver. Demonstrators were also seen running off with packages from the trailer. The truck driver, fearing for his safety police said, sounded his horn then drove from the Interstate 70 ramp to North Broadway and Cass.

Cries of "back the truck up" and "someone is under the truck" can be heard from Arms' video. A man, who was seen standing between the truck's two trailers, was dragged by the semi truck just moments later. Police said the driver did not know the victim was there.

Nevermind your source's very questionable assumption that everyone who was there was a "demonstrator". Criminal elements slip into every protest to cause havoc once they have cover by low lighting and crowds.

The way that reads, the actual protesters were trying to get the driver to back up. If you had a gun and a driver stopped with a wheel crushing part of someone, might you not use that gun to get his attention if he is not responding? Even if you have no intention of harming him, to get his attention because he's just sitting there....on someone? I know I'd do anything I could do. No gun? Take a shoe off, put my fist in it, punch the window in and hope I don't slice my veins open in the process. Anything because the truck is stopped on top of someone.

Bottom line is you don't know and I don't know. Maybe protesters suddenly turned into a conspiracy to rob a FedEx. Or maybe protesters were trying to get the guy to back up, and the criminal elements that slip into every protest took advantage.

But there you are assuming that the most inculpatory version (for protesters-in-general, not the specific people there) is true. Why? Gotta feed the narrative.

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If someone jumps on my running board and starts flashing a gun my first thought is not “oh this guy has important safety information for me”

justabubba said:

too early to make a darwin award nomination?

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Nope. And I'm still going with these guys:

RetiredUSN said:

But sad as well giving the situation "Chom"

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Beyond sad. Sometimes the exuberance of youth causes errors in judgement. And you pay.

trixare4kids said:

The whole world is watching is a phrase coined by my generation when anti-war protesters were arrested by the establishment "pigs". The police were clearly wrong to arrest peaceful protesters.

In the last few days, I can honestly say that am ashamed of my countrymen. These aren't protests. This is anarchy!
Shame on those who enable and make excuses for those who loot, and destroy public and private property.

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I agree. But it is what America has become.

When 1/3 of the country is OK with a POTUS like Trump who steals from charity, scams money from children with cancer, and scams people with a fake university, when it's acceptable for the leader to do that, who is to tell the everyday citizen it's not for them to steal and hurt and destroy as well?

Welcome to the world you chose.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Mr Person said:

Is nothing too awful to rape to score internet points against your perceived political foes?





Bystander Jared Arms captured a video of protesters blocking off a section of the road with their cars and setting something on fire when the FedEx truck approached. As it came to a halt, a crowd of protesters surrounded the front of the truck and began banging and climbing onto the passenger side. Police said two people standing on the passenger side footboard of the truck pointed guns at the driver. Demonstrators were also seen running off with packages from the trailer. The truck driver, fearing for his safety police said, sounded his horn then drove from the Interstate 70 ramp to North Broadway and Cass.

Cries of "back the truck up" and "someone is under the truck" can be heard from Arms' video. A man, who was seen standing between the truck's two trailers, was dragged by the semi truck just moments later. Police said the driver did not know the victim was there.

Nevermind your source's very questionable assumption that everyone who was there was a "demonstrator". Criminal elements slip into every protest to cause havoc once they have cover by low lighting and crowds.

The way that reads, the actual protesters were trying to get the driver to back up. If you had a gun and a driver stopped with a wheel crushing part of someone, might you not use that gun to get his attention if he is not responding? Even if you have no intention of harming him, to get his attention because he's just sitting there....on someone? I know I'd do anything I could do. No gun? Take a shoe off, put my fist in it, punch the window in and hope I don't slice my veins open in the process. Anything because the truck is stopped on top of someone.

Bottom line is you don't know and I don't know. Maybe protesters suddenly turned into a conspiracy to rob a FedEx. Or maybe protesters were trying to get the guy to back up, and the criminal elements that slip into every protest took advantage.

But there you are assuming that the most inculpatory version (for protesters-in-general, not the specific people there) is true. Why? Gotta feed the narrative.

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If you're ****ing stupid, sure. "I don't mean you any harm. I'm just pointing a gun at you to get your attention." Only a ****ing moron would think that's a good idea.

EMNofSeattle said:

If someone jumps on my running board and starts flashing a gun my first thought is not “oh this guy has important safety information for me”

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They better quick on their feet because I'm not going to check up. I'm going to keep splittin gears.

trixare4kids said:

The whole world is watching is a phrase coined by my generation when anti-war protesters were arrested by the establishment "pigs". The police were clearly wrong to arrest peaceful protesters.

In the last few days, I can honestly say that am ashamed of my countrymen. These aren't protests. This is anarchy!
Shame on those who enable and make excuses for those who loot, and destroy public and private property.

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We have to be careful to not look back at the past through rose coloured glasses though, Trix.

Look at how the SDS spawned the Weathermen! The bombings that took place across America in the late sixties and into the seventies were ridiculous in number. It was a craze! If you ever Google the stats, you'll find there literally were over a thousand a year! It got so bad, the SDS eventually expelled the Weatherman. Imagine that?

But before the Weathermen struck-out on their own, do you remember how we had such illustrious things as Tom Hayden's Days of Rage down Clark Street & Michigan Avenue, even as they were overwhelmed by CPD with a half-dozen of them shot at the Drake? The bombing of the Chicago cop cars in the station parking lot, in response to the killing of Fred Hampton & Mark Clark? How about the bombing of the science lab in Madison, killing the professor & injuring the doctorate students?

And let's not forget the '68 convention listed 150 cops & 500 protesters injured.

What's going-on now is nothing new.

It's a shame FearAndLoathing no longer seems to be posting here, because this type of knowledge was his domain, if you ever had the chance to make his acquaintance?

Anyway, to refresh our memories - here's a picture showing the handiwork of the Madison bombers: