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Trump: Children “raid” mailboxes and “grab the ballots.” And this tinfoil head wants another 4 years

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americanwoman said:
Do children raid your mailbox?
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Kids in my day were better behaved, you didn't see us out there stealing ballots and trying to swing elections. Rotten kids. Get off mah lawn!

EDIT: On reflection, I can understand why. Kids often enjoy a clown show, and Trump is nothing if not that.
 
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beefheart said:
You are just trying, again, on another thread, to spread fear and disinformation.
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So you think I faked the U.S. Election Assistance Commissions 2016 report huh? Disinformation?

Sounds more like you don't like whats in the report. Wasn't it you who falsely claimed my post and the report was about voter fraud?

You don't want it to be easier for Americans to vote. How sad is that?
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Not as sad as you just making up stuff to post. Care to show me where I stated anything like that?

The only one posting disinformation is you.
 
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Sand Castle said:
children “raid” mailboxes and “grab the ballots.”

Trump should wrap the tinfoil tighter around his head. A top tinfoil brand like Reynolds wrap will allowing ultimate protection by: keeping crazy ideas floating in the atmosphere from enter his brain, followed by locking the crazy thoughts that do enter, in his brain.

Speaking at the White House signing of a new executive order on social media, the president once again went off on mail-in ballots, repeatedly claiming the process is rife with “fraud and abuse” — even though there is no evidence of that.

President Donald Trump again railed against states expanding vote-by-mail on Thursday, this time making absurd claims that children “raid” mailboxes and “grab the ballots.”

Trump Makes Baseless Claim About Children Stealing Vote-By-Mail Ballots | HuffPost

Since 2000 more than 250 million votes have been cast via mailed-out ballots, in all 50 states, according to the Vote at Home Institute. In 2018, more than 31 million Americans cast their ballots by mail, about 25.8 percent of election participants.

None of the five states that hold their elections primarily by mail has had any voter fraud scandals since making that change. As the New York Times editorial board notes, “states that use vote-by-mail have encountered essentially zero fraud: Oregon, the pioneer in this area, has sent out more than 100 million mail-in ballots since 2000, and has documented only about a dozen cases of proven fraud.” Rounded to the seventh decimal point, that’s 0.0000001 percent of all votes cast.

The False Narrative of Vote-by-Mail Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice
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I saw this on Morning Joe, and got the laugh of my life.

Yes, we all know that kids spend their days stealing ballots from mailboxes and filling them in! Trump said it's already happening all over. I wonder when he's going to pony up that evidence, which he no doubt keeps in the vault where he has Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate and the evidence of Clinton busing 3000 Massachusetts voters into New Hampshire on election day to throw the state for her. Or maybe it's in the safe with his father's German birth certificate.
 
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americanwoman said:
Kids grabbing ballots out of mailboxes? Trump is delusional. :lamo
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All that disinfectant he's been taking hasn't cleared up the syphilis, obviously. The damage to his brain is too far gone.
 
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WCH said:
Fact is, if there's a way to cheat, the Leftists will find it and use it..
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Tell us about how your neighbors' children are stealing ballots from your mailbox, since you want to talk about facts and all.
 
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CaughtInThe said:
The president of our United States is an actual idiot.
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Not an idiot, just desperate. He knows Biden is leading in 28 states and has about 183 electoral college votes secured. He knows that the economy and covid19 is really hurting his campaign.

An oxford study showed that Trump will only get about 35% of the vote.
 
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JustHanging said:
It's crazy. Trump puts on his daily clown show, and every day his supporters get triggered when we laugh at the clown.
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Today's juvenile decision:

In a press briefing at the White House on Friday, Trump said, "We will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization

"I disagree with the president's decision," said U.S. Senate health committee chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) in a statement released after the announcement. "Withdrawing U.S. membership could, among other things, interfere with clinical trials that are essential to the development of vaccines, which citizens of the United States as well as others in the world need. And withdrawing could make it harder to work with other countries to stop viruses before they get to the United States.

Does Trump Have Authority To Withdraw U.S. From World Health Organization? : Goats and Soda : NPR
 
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HonestJoe said:
Because Trump isn't talking about the big picture. If he had his staff produce an properly evidenced and referenced report on the real risks and benefits of postal ballots and presented reasonable suggestions for principle and policy on the topic, both all the existing forms of postal ballots and any new or expanded use of them being implemented, we could all have a reasonable discussion about the big picture. If he just randomly rants about "children raiding mailboxes" and just makes empty assertions about rampant fraud without even trying to back them up, we're going to discuss his statements as he offers them.

It's the difference between being a "celebrity" agitator and being a president.
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The idea the President presents in this is that the votes cast should occur on Election Day and should be cast in person. The reason is that this is the only way to prove conclusively that one person gets one vote.

When voting was initially conducted in our country, the people at the polls very likely knew almost everyone voting in their village. Election officials likely also knew their parents and relatives.

Now? Not so much. When I go to the polls on June 2, it is very likely that nobody there will have ever seen me before. I only moved here in September, 2019.

I see no problem in producing a photo ID to vote, fly, buy NyQuill or get cash in person from my own bank account. Proving that I am who I say I am seems appropriate.

Personally, I would like to see the polls open 24 hours on Election Day. That's just me. Voting in person is a shared experience and as such is a unifying ceremony in which we should participate.

That said, I have no problem with absentee ballots for those who will not be able to appear in person.

Counting ballots that have no secure "chain of custody" seems fraught with peril.

Why does assuring that each person's vote is cast and counted securely seem to be so threatening to you?
 
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WCH said:
Fact is, if there's a way to cheat, the Leftists will find it and use it..
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Yet our last case of election fraud was a Republican.

I know whatever trump says is the truth. Even if it's the opposite of what he said yesterday. Which was also the truth.

But just saying things doesnt make it so.
 
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code1211 said:
So your thesis is that there has never been any election tampering by any entity in any way at any time for any reason ever.

Got it!
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No, just that nobody has ever come up with statistcally significant numbers.

There are probably more paper ballots spoiled by spilled coffee each election.

I can't count how many times republican's have provided "proof" of voter fraud that turns out to just be bottom feeders filling out false applications. To get more registrations filled out. And we know they did it because election integrity forlla caught them. There is never any indication it was more than that.

The republican party is fading. It has less members than the democrats or the independents now.

Occam says that this is why republicans are losing elections, not election fraud.
 
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code1211 said:
Why do you folks always seize on a detail and ignore the big picture?
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Because all of y'all's voter fraud "big pictures" are mostly negative space sprinkled with specks of detail. Minor detail.

Just because something could happen doesn't mean it does.

And from what I've seen over the years, it's just as likely to be republicans as democrats, more maybe. So all of those "details" likely cancel out.

This is a solution hunting a problem.

And it's all because statistically republicans lose when voter turnout is high.

And they just coincidentally expend a lot of effort trying to keep turnout down. Based on the loss and the turnout.

"Too many people voted Democratic. This is obvious proof of fraud!"
 
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Sand Castle said:
I felt invited by Donald to ridicule him.

if he believes the children claim- tinfoil

If he said the children claim to stir the pot - tinfoil

If he absolutely has no clue the children claim- tinfoil
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Who are the children you have created here?
 
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Condor060 said:
Fraud isn't the problem. According to the U.S. Election Assistance Commissions 2016 report, more mail ballots were misdirected and unaccounted for than the margin of votes between Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump. She had 2.9 million more votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states. In other words, for every vote that Hillary won over the eventual president nationally, more than twice as many mail ballots disappeared or went to the wrong addresses.

The data demonstrate the danger of putting the presidential election into the hands of the U.S. Postal Service, as well as the problems with inaccurate and out-of-date voter registration lists.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation of federal election survey data states 32 million mail ballots effectively disappeared, went to the wrong house, or were rejected since 2012. This includes all-mail voting states like Oregon and Washington, as well as absentee ballots in other states.

Taking into account the 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018 federal general elections, 28.3 million mail ballots disappeared after officials gave them to the U.S. Postal Service. There are numerous problems to point fingers at and many explanations as to what happened to these ballots, but the bottom line is simple: tens of millions of ballots were lost in the mail voting system on a scale not seen at polling places.
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PILF is full of it.

Y'all can't claim mail in votes were never heard from again and that that is proof of fraud. People move. They don't tell everybody they did. They lost the ballot, chuck it with the junk mail, the dog eats it. The kid finger paints on it.

It's a big country with lots of voters. People move, they suck at adulting, as I do.

There are myraid possible explanations that make a lot more sense than "The Dens are cheating!".

It's like the old joke:

A guy is sitting nest to a guy on a bus who is tearing off tiny bits of paper angle throwing them out the window at regular intervals. After a few hours of this the first guy finally asks the second guy what he's doing. "Keeping the elephants away!" To which the first replies "There aren't any elephants within a thousand miles of here!"

And the second guys says "See how well it works?"
 
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JustHanging said:
Because Trump is a clown who literally said kids today spend their time stealing ballots to swing elections. How many days has it been since he informed the world his best plan for dealing with Covid-19: Injecting disinfectants. That's comedy. That's why you're the biggest laughing stocks in the world. That's how you MAGA! :lamo

European diplomats: Trump is a 'laughing stock'
'People here think Trump is a laughingstock'
Trump is making America the laughingstock of the world
Finns mock Trump by raking country great again
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I ask why you folks always seize on a detail and ignore the big picture.

In response, you seize on a detail and ignore the big picture.

Do you see the irony in this? Anything? Beuller?
 
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Condor060 said:
Fraud isn't the problem. According to the U.S. Election Assistance Commissions 2016 report, more mail ballots were misdirected and unaccounted for than the margin of votes between Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump. She had 2.9 million more votes, yet 6.5 million ballots were misdirected or unaccounted for by the states. In other words, for every vote that Hillary won over the eventual president nationally, more than twice as many mail ballots disappeared or went to the wrong addresses.

The data demonstrate the danger of putting the presidential election into the hands of the U.S. Postal Service, as well as the problems with inaccurate and out-of-date voter registration lists.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation of federal election survey data states 32 million mail ballots effectively disappeared, went to the wrong house, or were rejected since 2012. This includes all-mail voting states like Oregon and Washington, as well as absentee ballots in other states.

Taking into account the 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018 federal general elections, 28.3 million mail ballots disappeared after officials gave them to the U.S. Postal Service. There are numerous problems to point fingers at and many explanations as to what happened to these ballots, but the bottom line is simple: tens of millions of ballots were lost in the mail voting system on a scale not seen at polling places.
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6.5 million ballots? Those children are good.
 
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What if...? said:
PILF is full of it.

Y'all can't claim mail in votes were never heard from again and that that is proof of fraud. People move. They don't tell everybody they did. They lost the ballot, chuck it with the junk mail, the dog eats it. The kid finger paints on it.

It's a big country with lots of voters. People move, they suck at adulting, as I do.

There are myraid possible explanations that make a lot more sense than "The Dens are cheating!".

It's like the old joke:

A guy is sitting nest to a guy on a bus who is tearing off tiny bits of paper angle throwing them out the window at regular intervals. After a few hours of this the first guy finally asks the second guy what he's doing. "Keeping the elephants away!" To which the first replies "There aren't any elephants within a thousand miles of here!"

And the second guys says "See how well it works?"
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Nobody is claiming fraud. It just is what it is.
 
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Sand Castle said:
Today's juvenile decision:

In a press briefing at the White House on Friday, Trump said, "We will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization

"I disagree with the president's decision," said U.S. Senate health committee chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) in a statement released after the announcement. "Withdrawing U.S. membership could, among other things, interfere with clinical trials that are essential to the development of vaccines, which citizens of the United States as well as others in the world need. And withdrawing could make it harder to work with other countries to stop viruses before they get to the United States.

Does Trump Have Authority To Withdraw U.S. From World Health Organization? : Goats and Soda : NPR
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Trump is conceding yet another area of world leadership to China. Why would he do such a thing? Did they promise him cheap rezoning for a Trump Hotel in Hong Kong?
 
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code1211 said:
So your thesis is that there has never been any election tampering by any entity in any way at any time for any reason ever.

Got it!
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Why did GOP Steve Watkins in the house use a UPS store address as his own? Yep another dumber than a fence post radical right-winger seeking to commit voter fraud.

Steve Watkins (R-KS), a first-term lawmaker who has faced allegations of sexual predation and falsified credentials, may have committed voter fraud and perjury, according to an investigation by the Topeka Capital-Journal published on Tuesday.

The outlet claimed that Watkins repeatedly listed his legal residence as a UPS store.

GOP congressman may have committed voter fraud with wrong address

americanindependent.com/steve-watkins-gop-congressman-voter-fraud-ups-store-legal-residence-kansas-republicans/
 
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code1211 said:
I ask why you folks always seize on a detail and ignore the big picture.
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Yeah, the big picture is your POTUS is an idiot. From his big plan to possibly cure Covid-19 by injecting disinfectants to telling us how children are raiding mailboxes to swing ele

Do you see the irony in this? Anything? Beuller?
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Irony? Why would I find irony in the fact that 1/3 of America looks up intellectually to such a moron? No wonder China is passing the USA with such ease as world leader. Maybe you can get enough immigrants and refugees to straighten out the mess boomers have caused and save the country from becoming another Banana Republic. Is it possible, or is "Idiocracy" a documentary?
 
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Razoo said:
Why did GOP Steve Watkins in the house use a UPS store address as his own? Yep another dumber than a fence post radical right-winger seeking to commit voter fraud.

Steve Watkins (R-KS), a first-term lawmaker who has faced allegations of sexual predation and falsified credentials, may have committed voter fraud and perjury, according to an investigation by the Topeka Capital-Journal published on Tuesday.

The outlet claimed that Watkins repeatedly listed his legal residence as a UPS store.

GOP congressman may have committed voter fraud with wrong address

americanindependent.com/steve-watkins-gop-congressman-voter-fraud-ups-store-legal-residence-kansas-republicans/
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GOP congressman may have committed voter fraud with wrong address
 
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code1211 said:
The idea the President presents in this is that the votes cast should occur on Election Day and should be cast in person.
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No he didn't. You present some perfectly reasonable points of discussion but claiming that is what Trump has said or even hinted is simply and unconditionally false. You don't need to reference Trump to have this discussion and I'd suggest it would be much better for it if nobody did.
 
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Razoo said:
The outlet claimed that Watkins repeatedly listed his legal residence as a mailbox in a UPS store.
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Luxury! There were 150 of us, living in a shoebox in the middle of motorway.
 
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JustHanging said:
Luxury! There were 150 of us, living in a shoebox in the middle of motorway.
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UPS ballot harvesting
 
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Another instance where our President says something totally idiotic, but his supporters tell us we have to dig for the hidden genius message.
 
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