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Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death

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Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints

Before she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden's vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, including the officer who kneeled on Floyd's neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.

When Klobs was given the authority to investigate a cop with a clear history of violence chose not to do so. Her inaction eventually led to the death of George Floyd. If Biden were to pick Klobuchar in light of this, it would be incredibly damning of the Democratic party.
 
Well that could be a problem, someone somewhere is coming up with a defense for Klobuchar on this.
 
If true, Joey will have to cross her off his VP list.
 
There are reasons I tend to look unfavorably on prosecutors and they aren't irrational . . .
 
Larger issue is, why has the current prosecutor failed to act?
 
There are reasons I tend to look unfavorably on prosecutors and they aren't irrational . . .

Yup, same reason I didn't like Kamala Harris. Prosecutors tend to work closely with police. They also tend to focus far too much on their conviction percentage.
 
It would give her more credibility actually to be able to say, I didn't prosecute those cases but I sure as hell would this one. Joe already own blacks. He told us so. What they think doesn't matter at this point. He has to play for the white swing voters.
 
Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints



When Klobs was given the authority to investigate a cop with a clear history of violence chose not to do so. Her inaction eventually led to the death of George Floyd. If Biden were to pick Klobuchar in light of this, it would be incredibly damning of the Democratic party.

I see only three of those 10 complaints listed in that link were filed while Klobuchar was the county attorney. Those three all appear to stem from a single incident and the captions are "Demeaning tone", "Derogatory Language", and "Language". While certainly not good conduct, those descriptions don't lend themselves to something that should typically be prosecuted. There doesn't appear to be anything showing that Klobuchar had evidence Chauvin had a history of violence at the time she was a county attorney.

I don't have any more information than what's presented in the article and its links, but they did not provide any evidence that supports Chauvin should have been prosecuted by her.

Edit: Accidentally wrote Chauvin's name as Floyd.
 
Does that mean Harris is off your list, too?

The bottom line is that I'm voting blue no matter who Biden picks, or even if they replace Biden with a week-old dog turd.

But I generally didn't like her presentation and policy. On the prosecutor side of things, her office violated its obligations to turn over to the defense in hundreds of cases evidence that a state lab tech had been stealing seized drugs from the lab and possibly falsifying drug test results to cover the fact. There's no way a DA does not get told of such a major problem, and there's no way that DA does not understand that that evidence would have a huge impact on every single defendant's case involving drugs the tech touched, even had access to.

That's the kind of thing that I simply cannot forgive, and I don't think that's simply because I do criminal defense (appeals/post-conviction stuff only). We had a much larger double scandal here in MA like that. Thousands and thousands of people served time after convictions that relied on falsified drug test results. Two separate lab techs were stealing and falsifying for years.

As with Harris, the relevant DA's offices hid the evidence. But they couldn't suppress media stories about the lab tech's arrests. The Committee for Public Counsel Services and an army of defense attorneys dug. This was litigated up and down the courts. At every step of the way, the various DA's offices continued to hide the extent of the problem, fought tooth and nail to protect tainted convictions, and only folded after an immense number of hours were put into making sure the right thing happened. Blew up any number of cases.

That kind of attitude - that they're doing the "right thing" in general so they can cheat along the way to get the results they want - is why I don't like most prosecutors. I've seen it in too many cases. Sometimes it's not turning over evidence, sometimes it's using jailhouse snitches who have a practice of getting deals in their own cases by claiming that their cellmate confessed, making arguments to the jury that are not allowed (ie, telling the jury to put itself in the victim's place and imagine what she felt, an appeal to sympathy). The Suffolk DA's office has a regular practice in murder cases of "finding" one or two banker's boxes with thousands of pages of documents in them just a week or two before trial. Does the judge want to call them on their obvious lie?

So now the defense attorney has to decide how much time to take away from preparing for the case based on what he previously knew vs. how much time to spend assimilating all this new information. And sometimes it's stuff like completely unexplained data. Cell tower data, for example, just raw data with no explanation of what it's supposed to mean. (And I'm thinking of one case a firm we worked with had to deal with). These cases can be huge. So if, as with the case I'm thinking of, you already had to process tens of thousands of pages of information to prepare for trial.... several thousand more is a last-minute nightmare. It blows everything up.

No. Nor does the judge want to extend the case. End result: defendant goes to trial with an deliberately and unfairly hobbled attorney, and the prosecutor reaps the advantage of its deliberate late-disclosure.



Every single American who ever had a nice thing to say about "rights" or our constitution should be insulted and infuriated by such behavior. How dare the government cheat like that when it is trying to put someone into jail. It's all the more infuriating because it's generally so unnecessary. Most criminals are stupid. They leave their ID at the scene or the talk to the police and get tripped up telling a story. They convict themselves in most cases. But the prosecutor just has to cheat.



Annnnd that was longer than intended.
 
Yup, same reason I didn't like Kamala Harris. Prosecutors tend to work closely with police. They also tend to focus far too much on their conviction percentage.

I'm also not the fan of the *gotcha* style during debate. Sure, showing some wit can be a good thing. But at a certain point I want to scream "ok, stop scoring (often cheap/underhanded) points and talk about specific policies you'll try to implement."
 
The bottom line is that I'm voting blue no matter who Biden picks, or even if they replace Biden with a week-old dog turd.

But I generally didn't like her presentation and policy. On the prosecutor side of things, her office violated its obligations to turn over to the defense in hundreds of cases evidence that a state lab tech had been stealing seized drugs from the lab and possibly falsifying drug test results to cover the fact. There's no way a DA does not get told of such a major problem, and there's no way that DA does not understand that that evidence would have a huge impact on every single defendant's case involving drugs the tech touched, even had access to.

That's the kind of thing that I simply cannot forgive, and I don't think that's simply because I do criminal defense (appeals/post-conviction stuff only). We had a much larger double scandal here in MA like that. Thousands and thousands of people served time after convictions that relied on falsified drug test results. Two separate lab techs were stealing and falsifying for years.

As with Harris, the relevant DA's offices hid the evidence. But they couldn't suppress media stories about the lab tech's arrests. The Committee for Public Counsel Services and an army of defense attorneys dug. This was litigated up and down the courts. At every step of the way, the various DA's offices continued to hide the extent of the problem, fought tooth and nail to protect tainted convictions, and only folded after an immense number of hours were put into making sure the right thing happened. Blew up any number of cases.

That kind of attitude - that they're doing the "right thing" in general so they can cheat along the way to get the results they want - is why I don't like most prosecutors. I've seen it in too many cases. Sometimes it's not turning over evidence, sometimes it's using jailhouse snitches who have a practice of getting deals in their own cases by claiming that their cellmate confessed, making arguments to the jury that are not allowed (ie, telling the jury to put itself in the victim's place and imagine what she felt, an appeal to sympathy). The Suffolk DA's office has a regular practice in murder cases of "finding" one or two banker's boxes with thousands of pages of documents in them just a week or two before trial. Does the judge want to call them on their obvious lie?

So now the defense attorney has to decide how much time to take away from preparing for the case based on what he previously knew vs. how much time to spend assimilating all this new information. And sometimes it's stuff like completely unexplained data. Cell tower data, for example, just raw data with no explanation of what it's supposed to mean. (And I'm thinking of one case a firm we worked with had to deal with). These cases can be huge. So if, as with the case I'm thinking of, you already had to process tens of thousands of pages of information to prepare for trial.... several thousand more is a last-minute nightmare. It blows everything up.

No. Nor does the judge want to extend the case. End result: defendant goes to trial with an deliberately and unfairly hobbled attorney, and the prosecutor reaps the advantage of its deliberate late-disclosure.



Every single American who ever had a nice thing to say about "rights" or our constitution should be insulted and infuriated by such behavior. How dare the government cheat like that when it is trying to put someone into jail. It's all the more infuriating because it's generally so unnecessary. Most criminals are stupid. They leave their ID at the scene or the talk to the police and get tripped up telling a story. They convict themselves in most cases. But the prosecutor just has to cheat.



Annnnd that was longer than intended.

Haha, you're good, man. In fact, I read that twice. I can tell you feel passionately about the subject. I have no disagreement with you, which is maybe boring for a debate forum. In general, yes, I believe that the power of the government cares more about its "wins" in the personal sense than about providing service and securing justice.
 
Her VP stock has took a nose dive. The top three are now Harris, Warren and Demings. I think she just killed her chances of getting the VP spot. No way his vetting team is going to okay Klobuchar.
 
Her VP stock has took a nose dive. The top three are now Harris, Warren and Demings. I think she just killed her chances of getting the VP spot. No way his vetting team is going to okay Klobuchar.

Agreed about Klobuchar, but don't sleep on Catherine Cortez Masto as Biden's VP nominee.
 
Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints

When Klobs was given the authority to investigate a cop with a clear history of violence chose not to do so. Her inaction eventually led to the death of George Floyd. If Biden were to pick Klobuchar in light of this, it would be incredibly damning of the Democratic party.
:lamo That’s some seriously weak crap. Even for you.

Taken from your cited article;
“Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derick Chauvin saw at least 10 conduct complaints during his 19-year tenure before he was fired Tuesday, according to a database that documents complaints against police. In particular, he was involved in the shooting death of a man who had stabbed other people before attacking police, as well as some other undisclosed complaints. Klobuchar did not prosecute Chauvin and other officers involved for the first death, which occurred in October 2006 while she was running for Senate. The case was under investigation when Klobuchar took office in the Senate in Jan. 2007, and later went to a grand jury, which declined to charge the officers. Chauvin was later placed on leave when he and other officers shot and wounded a Native American man in 2011.”
 
Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints



When Klobs was given the authority to investigate a cop with a clear history of violence chose not to do so. Her inaction eventually led to the death of George Floyd. If Biden were to pick Klobuchar in light of this, it would be incredibly damning of the Democratic party.

There is little doubt that Chauvin was a bad cop in my opinion.

As far as Klobuchar goes, I am not seeing much of a smoking gun when it comes to her. How is she at fault if a Grand Jury failed to charge the office.

"Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derick Chauvin saw at least 10 conduct complaints during his 19-year tenure before he was fired Tuesday, according to a database that documents complaints against police. In particular, he was involved in the shooting death of a man who had stabbed other people before attacking police, as well as some other undisclosed complaints. Klobuchar did not prosecute Chauvin and other officers involved for the first death, which occurred in October 2006 while she was running for Senate. The case was under investigation when Klobuchar took office in the Senate in Jan. 2007, and later went to a grand jury, which declined to charge the officers. Chauvin was later placed on leave when he and other officers shot and wounded a Native American man in 2011.

imo, poorly written article.
 
She dropped out.

Yep. She dropped out. I am sad about that.

BETFAIR'S TOP 10 - Harris, Warren, Klobuchar, Demings, Whitmer, Obama, Abrams, Duckworth, Rice, and Clinton
PREDICTIT's TOP 10 - Harris, Warren, Demings, Klobuchar, Duckworth and Whitmer, Abrams, Obama, Rice, and Lujan Grisham

The article this morning on Politico probably helped out Warren's stock.
 
Larger issue is, why has the current prosecutor failed to act?

Apparantly, they've opened an investigation into it and all the cops involved have been fired with no benefits

he should be arrested but, at least something is happening, as opposed to nothing.

we literally watched a man die. Witnesses in the video were even telling him to let him breath. it's ****ed up, like really ****ed up.
 
I see only three of those 10 complaints listed in that link were filed while Klobuchar was the county attorney. Those three all appear to stem from a single incident and the captions are "Demeaning tone", "Derogatory Language", and "Language". While certainly not good conduct, those descriptions don't lend themselves to something that should typically be prosecuted. There doesn't appear to be anything showing that Klobuchar had evidence Chauvin had a history of violence at the time she was a county attorney.

I don't have any more information than what's presented in the article and its links, but they did not provide any evidence that supports Chauvin should have been prosecuted by her.

Edit: Accidentally wrote Chauvin's name as Floyd.
You never know if this ‘cop’ was paid off by T. That’s as crazy as T’s CT’s. You really have to wonder if the Left knows how to count to 50 with the tie-breaker. That all 43 House seats flipped in 2018 were by mod/con DEMs.

Sen. Klobuchar campaigning in Minnesota alone will be crucial for three races. Potus was 45k for HRC in 16. Just like Pennsylvania for . Sen. T. Smith is up. Rep. Peterson has his hands full in MN-07. MN is the only state where the GOP flipped House seats in 18, 01 and 07. They also lost 02 and 03.

Klobuchar will be an important campaigner in Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan also. That’s quite a silver lining. A little better than the one-liners, eh? Minnesota comes in 2nd for me in importance of states top to bottom.
 
Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints



When Klobs was given the authority to investigate a cop with a clear history of violence chose not to do so. Her inaction eventually led to the death of George Floyd. If Biden were to pick Klobuchar in light of this, it would be incredibly damning of the Democratic party.

I've never liked Klobuchar much, especially regarding her involvement in Al Franken's resignation. She strikes me as the bullying prosecutor type, always trying to show how "tough" she is. It doesn't surprise me at all that she would try to protect dirty cops.
 
It would give her more credibility actually to be able to say, I didn't prosecute those cases but I sure as hell would this one. Joe already own blacks. He told us so. What they think doesn't matter at this point. He has to play for the white swing voters.

Interesting that you think black people are subject to the musings of an old white man. I'm pretty sure they can still vote any way they want.
 
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