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Voter fraud is a myth

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Voter Fraud, as the studies show, this is clearly a myth. The stragety is to gin up fraud allegations to justify Voter ID laws.

Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections.

However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project

Voter fraud is not a persistent problem - Voting Wars: Rights | Power | Privilege

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/

http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231

https://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

Court opinion: “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20
million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/2016.07.20_En Banc Opinion.pdf

Court opinion: “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing inperson voter fraud in North Carolina.”
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

Court opinion: “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely
rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of
Wisconsin’s elections.”
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...=legal-document/frank-v-walker-motion-granted

Supreme Court opinion: “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually
occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” They upheld, but later, after the ruling, they stated they regretted their ruling.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-21.ZO.html


This film, "Rigged, The Voter Suppression Playbook" tells the complete tale of Republicans voter suppression techniques.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07P76KK1S/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=1
 
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It's not a myth. In order to be a myth there can't be a single case of it.
 
It's not a myth. In order to be a myth there can't be a single case of it.

I mean, yes it's greater than zero. But as a fraction of the overall, it's rather low. Plus places like CO do mail-in ballots right. We don't have rampant fraud while allowing people to receive their ballots in the mail.
 
Voter Fraud, as the studies show, this is clearly a myth. The stragety is to gin up fraud allegations to justify Voter ID laws.

Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections.

However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project

Voter fraud is not a persistent problem - Voting Wars: Rights | Power | Privilege

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/

http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231

https://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

Court opinion: “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20
million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/2016.07.20_En Banc Opinion.pdf

Court opinion: “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing inperson voter fraud in North Carolina.”
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

Court opinion: “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely
rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of
Wisconsin’s elections.”
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...=legal-document/frank-v-walker-motion-granted

Supreme Court opinion: “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually
occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” They upheld, but later, after the ruling, they stated they regretted their ruling.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-21.ZO.html


This film, "Rigged, The Voter Suppression Playbook" tells the complete tale of Republicans voter suppression techniques.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07P76KK1S/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=1

Being "extremely rare" and "not a persistent problem" and "only two" =/= "myth".
 
Voter Fraud, as the studies show, this is clearly a myth. The stragety is to gin up fraud allegations to justify Voter ID laws.

Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections.

However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project

Voter fraud is not a persistent problem - Voting Wars: Rights | Power | Privilege

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/

http://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/elj.2013.0231

https://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665966.pdf

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/facpubs/2165/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare

Court opinion: “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20
million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/2016.07.20_En Banc Opinion.pdf

Court opinion: “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing inperson voter fraud in North Carolina.”
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

Court opinion: “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely
rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of
Wisconsin’s elections.”
https://www.aclu.org/legal-document...=legal-document/frank-v-walker-motion-granted

Supreme Court opinion: “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually
occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” They upheld, but later, after the ruling, they stated they regretted their ruling.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-21.ZO.html


This film, "Rigged, The Voter Suppression Playbook" tells the complete tale of Republicans voter suppression techniques.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07P76KK1S/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=1

Close your eyes tightly and you can avoid any aspects of reality which are inconvenient to you.
 
I mean, yes it's greater than zero. But as a fraction of the overall, it's rather low. Plus places like CO do mail-in ballots right. We don't have rampant fraud while allowing people to receive their ballots in the mail.

I understand that and his links help that argument, but his thread title doesn't help at all.
 
The people who downplay the issue of voter fraud forget one simple fact... Voter fraud is very difficult to detect. It only gets investigated if someone makes a legitimate or credible claim that it took place. States don't go looking for it unless they absolutely have to.

If you want to get an idea of the voting fraud that's taken place, just some that's been discovered, here's a state by state list for you that shows 1285 proven instances of voter fraud since the George W. Bush administration.

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I mean, yes it's greater than zero. But as a fraction of the overall, it's rather low. Plus places like CO do mail-in ballots right. We don't have rampant fraud while allowing people to receive their ballots in the mail.

I don't agree.

After all, we have that recent example of the "election judge" admitting involvement in voter fraud...sufficient to insure victory of Democrat candidates in elections he was officiating.

South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

IMO that is the mere tip of the iceberg in that particular area.

Then there is the repeated problem with paper ballots in certain (Democrat) counties in Florida. You know, the place where in two major elections (2000 and 2018) the vote seemed to favor the Republican candidate, at the last minute massive numbers of such ballots are discovered "uncounted" revealing more Democrat-heavy voting. Strangely the very same Election Supervisor was involved.

Then there are problems with mail-in voting. As Election Fraud Probe Centers On N.C.'s 9th District, A Cynical Cloud Settles In : NPR

I'm fairly certain one can find all sorts of issues with election fraud. Voter Fraud Map Page | The Heritage Foundation

IMO whenever a loophole that allows fraud (by either Party adherents) exists, it can and will be exploited.

I am most concerned about "proxy" voting by absentee ballots (mail-in voting). There have been concerns about third party "helpers" either influencing or actually changing senior citizen mail-in votes to help a particular candidate.

IMO reporting to a voting site unless one is stationed outside the Nation should be the preferred method.
 
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I understand that and his links help that argument, but his thread title doesn't help at all.

Jeez, it's a figure of speech, why is everyone busting my chops over this? In the annals of history over this particular figure of speech, I've never witnessed anyone complain or nitpick on the meaning whether the subject was a myth, the kind of which would be approved by academia, or a damn modern figure of speech.

JFC.
 
A poor one.

A common one. Ever heard, 'allow me to disabuse you of that myth'. What? They were talking about a perfect myth, the kind that would suffer academic scrutiny? Give me a frickin' break.

Jeezus ****, I swear, I'm trying to start a conversation, and you guys get hung on this.

This is one sorry ass board.
 
Like I told the other guy, 'figure of speech'.

No, you will not backpedal from your initial assertion with weasel grease.

Voter Fraud, as the studies show, this is clearly a myth. The stragety is to gin up fraud allegations to justify Voter ID laws.

Voter fraud is so insignificant that it does not affect the outcome of national elections.

However, Republicans voter suppression methods do affect the outcome of elections.

These are assertions as fact. There is no ambiguity in your statement. Words have meanings, and there are no words or phrases in your opening charge that can in any way be construed as "a figure of speech".

You now have the opportunity to retract your disinformation or slink away.
 
While Voter fraud is a myth, GOP voter suppression is not.

The Heritage Foundation is a woo woo right wing media fraud.
 
I don't agree.

After all, we have that recent example of the "election judge" admitting involvement in voter fraud...sufficient to insure victory of Democrat candidates in elections he was officiating.

South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

IMO that is the mere tip of the iceberg in that particular area.

Then there is the repeated problem with paper ballots in certain (Democrat) counties in Florida. You know, the place where in two major elections (2000 and 2018) the vote seemed to favor the Republican candidate, at the last minute massive numbers of such ballots are discovered "uncounted" revealing more Democrat-heavy voting. Strangely the very same Election Supervisor was involved.

Then there are problems with mail-in voting. As Election Fraud Probe Centers On N.C.'s 9th District, A Cynical Cloud Settles In : NPR

I'm fairly certain one can find all sorts of issues with election fraud. Voter Fraud Map Page | The Heritage Foundation

IMO whenever a loophole that allows fraud (by either Party adherents) exists, it can and will be exploited.

I am most concerned about "proxy" voting by absentee ballots (mail-in voting). There have been concerns about third party "helpers" either influencing or actually changing senior citizen mail-in votes to help a particular candidate.

IMO reporting to a voting site unless one is stationed outside the Nation should be the preferred method.

It's the preferred method to make things tedious. CO doesn't have massive voter fraud and our standard is mail-in ballots. So obviously it can be done and done well. It's 2020, there's no reason we can't do this.
 
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