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FBI investigation was in fact illegal and had no basis.

ludin said:
The guy is
Kevin R. Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, was an FBI special agent for 24 years and principal deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). He is a founder and principal of NewStreet Global Solutions, which consults with private companies and public safety agencies on strategic mission technologies.

I think he knows what he is talking about when it comes to FBI protocols and what is allowed and what isn't allowed.
So the fact that you have no argument just shows your concession is noted.
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Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation - Wikipedia

The Inspector General stated that the review did not find evidence that "political bias or improper motivation influenced" the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.[3] It was also determined that the opening of the overall investigation "was in compliance" with policies set by the FBI and the Department of Justice.[13] Likewise, the review did not produce evidence that "political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations" of George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn and Carter Page, who were either associated or formerly associated with Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.[14]
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So you want me to believe that the IG investigated this thing up and down and found nothing wrong, but the paper work that started the investigation was done incorrectly and he just didn't see it?

This is a political hit piece. For gullible morons. Don't be that guy Ludin.
 
ludin said:
New FBI document confirms the Trump campaign was investigated without justification | TheHill

the bad news for pelosi and schiff and the rest of the unhinged left just keeps getting worse.

According to new information in the finally declassified documents show that there was no basis for hurricane crossfire conspiracy against president trump.

Keep in mind the FBI cannot begin to investigate anyone, especially a U.S. citizen or entity, without first creating a document that lists the reasonably suspicious factors that would legally justify the investigation. That's FBI 101, taught Day 1 at the FBI Academy at Quantico, Va

First, the document is oddly constructed. In a normal, legitimate FBI Electronic Communication, or EC, there would be a "To" and a "From" line. The Crossfire Hurricane EC has only a "From" line; it is from a part of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division whose contact is listed as Peter Strzok. The EC was drafted also by Peter Strzok. And, finally, it was approved by Peter Strzok. Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.

On that basis alone, the document is an absurdity, violative of all FBI protocols and, therefore, invalid on its face. An agent cannot approve his or her own case; that would make a mockery of the oversight designed to protect Americans. Yet, for this document, Peter Strzok was pitcher, catcher, batter and umpire.

the rest is in the article.
no evidence lies and distortions.

this is worse than watergate.
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Talking about distorted documents, time to investigate Barr's DOJ. This obviously distorted document proves Barr's dismissal of Flynn case is invalid

The bombshell court documents filed last Thursday which seek to dismiss the criminal prosecution of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn appear to contain the identification number of the wrong attorney.

The number actually appears to be the bar number of Jessie K. Liu, the “ousted predecessor” (as CNN calls her) who previously filed motions for the Flynn case. Liu, a Federalist Society contributor, left her U.S. Attorney job after President Donald Trump nominated her for a Treasury Department role that she never got.

Michael Flynn Dismissal Filing Had Wrong Bar Number | Law & Crime
 
ecofarm said:
I guarantee that sentence came out of Hannity's mouth. He does the "whispers", "big names" and "lawyered up".
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Bombshell, Durham investigation uncovered concrete evidence of conspiracy between trump, trump jr, Kushner and Russia.

Each have lawyered up
 
roughdraft274 said:
Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation - Wikipedia



So you want me to believe that the IG investigated this thing up and down and found nothing wrong, but the paper work that started the investigation was done incorrectly and he just didn't see it?

This is a political hit piece. For gullible morons. Don't be that guy Ludin.
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The IG report was pure bunk and a political cover. The IG though blasted the FBI for lack of protocol and evidence.
Yes i do believe a 24 year veteran of the FBI why wouldn't I? He knows the process and he knows that they were broken.

Why do you leftist never believe facts? ol yea orange man bad is the only thing that runs through a leftist friggen head.
The purpose of the IG is to point out any kind of department errors and there were a whole slew of department errors.

This IG job of maintain and protect the department is pure bull****. the job of the IG is to ensure that ethical behavior is kept
and followed and to point out any type of malfeasance. The IG report did do some of that.

HOwever the IG is not an investigator and at the time the report was filed we did not have this information because this information was still classified.
This information is NEW information that the IG didn't have at the time.

THis is what we call using facts, logic and reason. As new information is release we update old information that is not correct.
It is clear that the IG did not fully have all of the testimony used. If he did then his report would be 100% different than what it was.

THis information is newly released we are seeing it for the first time.

Just as the committee was testified there was no evidence of Trump cconspiring with russia that should have ended any investigation and
no investigation should have been started.

ONce again we have that lying sack of **** Stzok in the middle of everything re-writing reports and falsifying evidence.
not that you care.

the only thing you care about is orange man bad which is sad that you think this level of crime and corruption is ok.
 
ludin said:
New FBI document confirms the Trump campaign was investigated without justification | TheHill

the bad news for pelosi and schiff and the rest of the unhinged left just keeps getting worse.

According to new information in the finally declassified documents show that there was no basis for hurricane crossfire conspiracy against president trump.

Keep in mind the FBI cannot begin to investigate anyone, especially a U.S. citizen or entity, without first creating a document that lists the reasonably suspicious factors that would legally justify the investigation. That's FBI 101, taught Day 1 at the FBI Academy at Quantico, Va

First, the document is oddly constructed. In a normal, legitimate FBI Electronic Communication, or EC, there would be a "To" and a "From" line. The Crossfire Hurricane EC has only a "From" line; it is from a part of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division whose contact is listed as Peter Strzok. The EC was drafted also by Peter Strzok. And, finally, it was approved by Peter Strzok. Essentially, it is a document created by Peter Strzok, approved by Peter Strzok, and sent from Peter Strzok to Peter Strzok.

On that basis alone, the document is an absurdity, violative of all FBI protocols and, therefore, invalid on its face. An agent cannot approve his or her own case; that would make a mockery of the oversight designed to protect Americans. Yet, for this document, Peter Strzok was pitcher, catcher, batter and umpire.

the rest is in the article.
no evidence lies and distortions.

this is worse than watergate.
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Strzok is one of many that need to do several years of hard time in the General Population.
 
Michael Cole said:
:lamo

OPINION | WHITE HOUSE

New FBI document confirms the Trump campaign was investigated without justification | TheHill
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This i just posted says otherwise.
facts do not care about your feelings.

there was no evidence no crime or anything else that supported the investigation into trump.
this has been established as fact.

The only reason that it was done was to try and remove and great a coup against a duly elected president by a bunch of leftist scum that couldn't stand the
fact that they lost an election.

Peter stzok the main conspirator as admited by his text messages lied and fraudulently altered document after document and testimony after testimony
in order to push the investigation to the point that he himself was the that created organized and approved the investigation without
any other persons looking at it.

sorry facts do not care about your feelings.
 
Sand Castle said:
Here is Brock's evidence below, what a joke

there would be a "To" and a "From" line.
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let me know when you are a 24 year veteran from the FBI and know the protocols for open a case.
he has more evidence than that and i posted it in the OP.

dishonest leftist will always be dishonest leftist
 
Sand Castle said:
Talking about distorted documents, time to investigate Barr's DOJ. This obviously distorted document proves Barr's dismissal of Flynn case is invalid

The bombshell court documents filed last Thursday which seek to dismiss the criminal prosecution of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn appear to contain the identification number of the wrong attorney.

The number actually appears to be the bar number of Jessie K. Liu, the “ousted predecessor” (as CNN calls her) who previously filed motions for the Flynn case. Liu, a Federalist Society contributor, left her U.S. Attorney job after President Donald Trump nominated her for a Treasury Department role that she never got.

Michael Flynn Dismissal Filing Had Wrong Bar Number | Law & Crime
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nothing to do with what we are discussing.
 
ludin said:
This i just posted says otherwise.
facts do not care about your feelings.

there was no evidence no crime or anything else that supported the investigation into trump.
this has been established as fact.

The only reason that it was done was to try and remove and great a coup against a duly elected president by a bunch of leftist scum that couldn't stand the
fact that they lost an election.

Peter stzok the main conspirator as admited by his text messages lied and fraudulently altered document after document and testimony after testimony
in order to push the investigation to the point that he himself was the that created organized and approved the investigation without
any other persons looking at it.

sorry facts do not care about your feelings.
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Opinion, not news. Read your own url for chrissakes.

Here: thehill.com/opinion/white-house/499586-new-fbi-document-confirms-the-trump-campaign-was-investigated-without?amp
 
code1211 said:
Strzok is one of many that need to do several years of hard time in the General Population.
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him Comey, McCabe, paige and a few others need to do some hard time for this.
never should this ever happen again in our country.

Never should we allow this sort of corruption out of our government.
 
Michael Cole said:
Opinion, not news. Read your own url for chrissakes.

Here: thehill.com/opinion/white-house/499586-new-fbi-document-confirms-the-trump-campaign-was-investigated-without?amp
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facts do not care about your feelings michael why do you not know this by now.
it is news. The information of the new reports just came out.

WHile this is his opinion and very much valid opinion on that news it is still news.

YOu just can't accept facts because orange man bad. that is not my problem it is your problem.
facts do not care about your feelings.
 
ludin said:
The source wasn't fox news and the person that wrote it is
Kevin R. Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, was an FBI special agent for 24 years and principal deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). He is a founder and principal of NewStreet Global Solutions, which consults with private companies and public safety agencies on strategic mission technologies.

We know Rosenstein approved he was part of the coup attempt to remove a duly elected president.
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Fox is the only media outlet, allowing Brock's conspiracies to be presented. Tucker/ Ingrahm
 
ludin said:
The IG report was pure bunk and a political cover. The IG though blasted the FBI for lack of protocol and evidence.
Yes i do believe a 24 year veteran of the FBI why wouldn't I? He knows the process and he knows that they were broken.

Why do you leftist never believe facts? ol yea orange man bad is the only thing that runs through a leftist friggen head.
The purpose of the IG is to point out any kind of department errors and there were a whole slew of department errors.

This IG job of maintain and protect the department is pure bull****. the job of the IG is to ensure that ethical behavior is kept
and followed and to point out any type of malfeasance. The IG report did do some of that.

HOwever the IG is not an investigator and at the time the report was filed we did not have this information because this information was still classified.
This information is NEW information that the IG didn't have at the time.

THis is what we call using facts, logic and reason. As new information is release we update old information that is not correct.
It is clear that the IG did not fully have all of the testimony used. If he did then his report would be 100% different than what it was.

THis information is newly released we are seeing it for the first time.

Just as the committee was testified there was no evidence of Trump cconspiring with russia that should have ended any investigation and
no investigation should have been started.

ONce again we have that lying sack of **** Stzok in the middle of everything re-writing reports and falsifying evidence.
not that you care.

the only thing you care about is orange man bad which is sad that you think this level of crime and corruption is ok.
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Your post is just garbled nonsense. I'm surprised you didn't throw in "my dad can beat up your dad."


Seriously. It's amazing how fast you come up with baseless accusations and then accuse me of ignoring the facts because I trust the IG more than an opinion article on a biased website.
 
ludin said:
The IG report was pure bunk and a political cover. The IG though blasted the FBI for lack of protocol and evidence.
Yes i do believe a 24 year veteran of the FBI why wouldn't I? He knows the process and he knows that they were broken.

Why do you leftist never believe facts? ol yea orange man bad is the only thing that runs through a leftist friggen head.
The purpose of the IG is to point out any kind of department errors and there were a whole slew of department errors.

This IG job of maintain and protect the department is pure bull****. the job of the IG is to ensure that ethical behavior is kept
and followed and to point out any type of malfeasance. The IG report did do some of that.

HOwever the IG is not an investigator and at the time the report was filed we did not have this information because this information was still classified.
This information is NEW information that the IG didn't have at the time.

THis is what we call using facts, logic and reason. As new information is release we update old information that is not correct.
It is clear that the IG did not fully have all of the testimony used. If he did then his report would be 100% different than what it was.

THis information is newly released we are seeing it for the first time.

Just as the committee was testified there was no evidence of Trump cconspiring with russia that should have ended any investigation and
no investigation should have been started.

ONce again we have that lying sack of **** Stzok in the middle of everything re-writing reports and falsifying evidence.
not that you care.

the only thing you care about is orange man bad which is sad that you think this level of crime and corruption is ok.
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Horowitz has spent much of his career trying to rise above politics, say former colleagues who describe him as a “straight shooter” who avoids ever talking about politics around the water cooler.

“I couldn’t even tell you what his politics are. He is completely fair, right down the middle,” said Rob Storch, the National Security Agency inspector general, who previously served as deputy inspector general at the Justice Department, and says he worked closely with Horowitz for more than five years

DOJ watchdog Michael Horowitz is a career straight shooter, colleagues say - Reuters
 
ludin said:
let me know when you are a 24 year veteran from the FBI and know the protocols for open a case.
he has more evidence than that and i posted it in the OP.

dishonest leftist will always be dishonest leftist
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I thought you and Barr believe the FBI prior to Barr's reign was unable to follow protocol, needs cleaning up. So, by your admission, no Brock probably not good with protocols
 
ludin said:
facts do not care about your feelings michael why do you not know this by now.
it is news. The information of the new reports just came out.

WHile this is his opinion and very much valid opinion on that news it is still news.

YOu just can't accept facts because orange man bad. that is not my problem it is your problem.
facts do not care about your feelings.
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So far the only investigated with persons under oath, reveal no legal consequences for your drummed up villians.

But, we shall see what Durham finds. As for Brock, his writings are completely biased, opinionated, and based off scattered data that he cherry picks.
 
ludin said:
No we can't but you won't get 1 leftist on this forum to admit to it.
orange man bad and TDS do not allow them to accept facts of what actually occurred
or what actually happened.

The only way to stop this from happening again is to go after the people that did it to the fullest extent of the law.
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Well James Comey, more qualified than Brock disagrees with everything Brock claims when reading his rendition.

I believe if you guys are looking for expert opinion on a man that was there, forget Brock he wasn't there.

Time to listen to Comey, no opinion he was there, facts
 
Michael Cole said:
What will they do when Durham turns up nothing?
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They'll just move on to the next conspiracy theory or the next investigation and then tell the dems wait until Mr. X gets done his investigation.
 
Sand Castle said:
The real investigation and conclusion, not Fox news Brock opinion on cherry picked facts

Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General (IG) Michael Horowitz in Dec. 2019 released a 400-page report on his office’s investigation into Crossfire Hurricane, concluding that, despite a plethora of procedural failures, the FBI ultimately had a proper factual and legal basis for opening a full investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible coordination with Russia.



Earlier this month, the Department of Justice released a copy of a memo authored by Rosenstein which outlined the scope of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and the potentially criminal activity Mueller was authorized to examine.

The memo showed that Rosenstein expressly approved of Mueller and his team investigating whether Carter Page committed any crimes by “colluding with the Russian government’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 election.” Rosenstein also approved probes into allegations against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, former campaign aide George Papadopoulos, and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

Rod Rosenstein to Testify on Crossfire Hurricane | Law & Crime
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This is from the executive summary of the Horowitz report you're talking about -

Additionally, given the low threshold for predication in the AG Guidelines and the DIOG, we concluded that the FFG information, provided by a government the United States Intelligence Community (USIC) deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand account from an FFG employee of a conversation with Papadopoulos, was sufficient to predicate the investigation. This information provided the FBI with an articulable factual basis that, if true, reasonably indicated activity constituting either a federal crime or a threat to national security, or both, may have occurred or may be occurring. For similar reasons, as we detail in Chapter Three, we concluded that the quantum of information articulated by the FBI to open the individual investigations on Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn, and Manafort in August 2016 was sufficient to satisfy the low threshold established by the Department and the FBI.
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It does say that the predication for CH was sufficient considering the "low threshold" for such predication. What it doesn't say is that the "articulable factual basis" indicates that RUSSIA committed or planned to commit a crime, not Papadopolous.
 
Puigb said:
The GOP has failed miserably so far in trying to tar Biden and muddy the waters to try and help Trump's dying presidency. Expect more of this nonsense until November. They have nothing else.
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I find it very humorous the things they write trying to convince non trump supporters we're crazy and just don't understand the wonderful world of don.

Trump, out of office, the senate, back in dem control, the house, more seats for the dems. The right thinks trump is one of them, a tough guy standing up for his and their rights. Sadly what he's really doing with their help is making the gop irrelevant for many years to come.
 
ludin said:
no it is called expert opinion.

Kevin R. Brock, former assistant director of intelligence for the FBI, was an FBI special agent for 24 years and principal deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). He is a founder and principal of NewStreet Global Solutions, which consults with private companies and public safety agencies on strategic mission technologies.
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In your mind, opinions may equal facts, but not in the real world.
 
Mycroft said:
Why so emotional?

In any case, why do you disagree?
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I am not emotional but strongly disagree that this is all going to be covered up when the exact opposite is happening. Barr is doing an outstanding job. He appointed the U.S. atty whose investigation changed everything for Flynn. He has appointed another U.S. atty to assist with the un-masking abuse investigation. Durham's investigation didn't start out to be criminal but certainly is now while he has had to increase his staff twice due to every time he turns over a rock it exposes more crap. While I would love to see everything unclassified it can't be at this time. For all we know there have been those who have been indicted and they are currently sealed.
 
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