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55% of Americans disapprove of Trump's job performance

Drawdown said:
I am not the OP, but if 56% of democrats continue to believe that Trump will win, that there is bad joojoo for Biden. They are basically saying most of us think beating Trump is a lost cause already.
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Well, I'm not really sure what to make of it. But as a citizen that wants Trump removed, I think I'd prefer a more anxious, but not disillusioned Dem base. We saw what optimism did in 2016, yes?
 
BrotherFease said:
Yet you present ZERO evidence to show that Trump's approval rating is just fine and he's leading in the swing states.

Trump's base shouldn't be living in a delusional state of mind.
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Trump's base shouldn't be the size it still is! The fact that only 55% of Americans disapprove is appalling
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I'm not really sure what to make of it. But as a citizen that wants Trump removed, I think I'd prefer a more anxious, but not disillusioned Dem base. We saw what optimism did in 2016, yes?
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We saw a slow speed train wreck in 2016, in which we were going to be victims either way. Biden's small donor haul is also very anemic compared to Trump's which is another indication people are more blah about him compared to Trump's support with dirt road conservatives. Not supporting either of them really leaves me indifferent except that this race will be tea leaves as to what happens with the House. If the dems dropped a polarizing nominee to save the House and picked up one who doesn't turn out voters, they very well could cough back up most if not all of their midterm gains.
 
Drawdown said:
He won the presidency with low approval ratings and low poll numbers. Trump is an outlier.
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Not anymore, before people only knew his name. They had no idea how corrupt, and dishonest he is.

The whole world knows it now...
 
Manc Skipper said:
Trump's base shouldn't be the size it still is! The fact that only 55% of Americans disapprove is appalling
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Trump's base has always been solid in the 40% range. Those deplorables aren't going anywhere.
 
Trump is not favored in that poll, assuming it's a valid poll, because of this ONE thing

The lamestream media have been 24/7 attacking everything he does and everything he says for the last several yrs

And there are obviously a lot of gullible, closed minded people imbibing their bs
 
Jay59 said:
There is no respect intended in your remark. From the article.

Furman’s case begins with the premise that the 2020 pandemic-triggered economic collapse is categorically different than the Great Depression or the Great Recession, which both had slow, grinding recoveries. Instead, he believes, the way to think about the current economic drop-off, at least in the first two phases, is more like what happens to a thriving economy during and after a natural disaster: a quick and steep decline in economic activity followed by a quick and steep rebound.​

That's in lay-speak, but it makes sense to treat an epidemic as a natural disaster, rather than a normal economic cycle. Furman has the chops to back it up. What have you got?
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The problem is time. We are only in the 1st inning of a 9 inning game with this "natural disaster". When it's over sometime next year, I expect we will recover fairly quickly. Until then there is only pain. There will be no recovery when >1000 a day are dying here and that is the prediction for months and months.
 
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GDViking said:
Not anymore, before people only knew his name. They had no idea how corrupt, and dishonest he is.

The whole world knows it now...
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You seriously believe that? Let's see--there was the access hollywood video; the $200K portrait; the multiple Trump screwed me in his bankruptcy stories; Trump is a racist landlord accounts, all well before the election.
 
Moon Bats polling other Moon Bats. We see it all the time.
 
Drawdown said:
We saw a slow speed train wreck in 2016, in which we were going to be victims either way. Biden's small donor haul is also very anemic compared to Trump's which is another indication people are more blah about him compared to Trump's support with dirt road conservatives. Not supporting either of them really leaves me indifferent except that this race will be tea leaves as to what happens with the House. If the dems dropped a polarizing nominee to save the House and picked up one who doesn't turn out voters, they very well could cough back up most if not all of their midterm gains.
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Fair points. Trump has a (large) baked-in minority, that doesn't seem to vary much. It can be an Electoral College majority under the right conditions, as it was in 2016.

Consequently, I see this election as up to the Dems to win or lose. A good energetic inspiring candidate should give them the White House. Biden is not energetic & inspiring. He is anything but (though I must admit I personally find an attraction to his calmness & congeniality).

So essentially we shall see if the personal unhappiness with Trump is enough to carry a moderate uninspiring candidate like Biden over the line. I really don't know that answer. Traditional wisdom says that positive attraction prevails over negative disapproval. So that would predict a Trump win. But Trump has broken most traditional thought. And for that reason, I can't say unhappiness with Trump will not be enough to allow Biden to win. It may. Trump is rather special in that regard.
 
iguanaman said:
The problem is time. We are only in the 1st inning of a 9 inning game with this "natural disaster". When it's over next year, I expect we will recover fairly quickly. Until then there is only pain. There will be no recovery when >1000 a day are dying here.
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You must have fallen asleep. It's the top of the 9th. Thus far, Trump has outdueled the media 2-1.

The 1st inning was back in January, when Trump shut off travel from China, scoring a point. In the 2nd Cuomo exposed his most vulnerable people, driving up the mortality rates and scoring for your side. Trump took the lead in the 3rd by bailing out New York City. Since then a lot of action but no scoring. Now, the lock down advocates are in their final at bat.
 
Jay59 said:
You must have fallen asleep. It's the top of the 9th. Thus far, Trump has outdueled the media 2-1.

The 1st inning was back in January, when Trump shut off travel from China, scoring a point. In the 2nd Cuomo exposed his most vulnerable people, driving up the mortality rates and scoring for your side. Trump took the lead in the 3rd by bailing out New York City. Since then a lot of action but no scoring. Now, the lock down advocates are in their final at bat.
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And the covid 19 virus is winning hands down. We have not seen nothing yet. The score is >100,000 going on 200,000 for the virus and Trump zero. When 1000's are dying each day there will be no recovery.
 
Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters would continue to support him.

By the way, for the chronically ignorant Trump supporters - that wasn't a compliment when he said that. It was him laughing at the blind loyalty he gets from his supporters.
 
Chomsky said:
Fair points. Trump has a (large) baked-in minority, that doesn't seem to vary much. It can be an Electoral College majority under the right conditions, as it was in 2016.

Consequently, I see this election as up to the Dems to win or lose. A good energetic inspiring candidate should give them the White House. Biden is not energetic & inspiring. He is anything but (though I must admit I personally find an attraction to his calmness & congeniality).

So essentially we shall see if the personal unhappiness with Trump is enough to carry a moderate uninspiring candidate like Biden over the line. I really don't know that answer. Traditional wisdom says that positive attraction prevails over negative disapproval. So that would predict a Trump win. But Trump has broken most traditional thought. And for that reason, I can't say unhappiness with Trump will not be enough to allow Biden to win. It may. Trump is rather special in that regard.
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Not sure I would characterize calling people dog faced pony soldiers and lashing out at people who ask tough questions as calmness. An inability to control his negative emotions is one of those things that just feeds into the he has dementia narrative. Anyway, like I said, I don't support either of them. Am more interested in how the House comes down. Not sure the GOP can flip it, but just narrowing Nancy's control margin by a chunk will probably be the end of her speakership and a move toward moderation within the body.
 
Drawdown said:
Not sure I would characterize calling people dog faced pony soldiers and lashing out at people who ask tough questions as calmness. An inability to control his negative emotions is one of those things that just feeds into the he has dementia narrative. Anyway, like I said, I don't support either of them. Am more interested in how the House comes down. Not sure the GOP can flip it, but just narrowing Nancy's control margin by a chunk will probably be the end of her speakership and a move toward moderation within the body.
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My current prediction, which is worthless this far out, would be a loss of around 5 or 6 Dem seats in the House, a gain of maybe 2 Dem seats in the Senate, and up until recently I had Trump with the solid edge for the Oval Office. Now, I'm going to call the Presidency close to 50-50, with it still slightly leaning Trump.

But it's just too hard to predict the White House, polls aside, until we see Biden debate. That's the wild card. He could totally bomb. In fact, I see all the debate risk on Biden.
 
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iguanaman said:
They are saying that so they don't jinx the election. We don't want to make the same mistake as in 2016. Most of us know that this is the most important election in our lifetimes.
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Exactly cultists will do everything to suppress the vote, lie steal and cheat to keep their orange God on his his throne. Up to and including recruiting 50,000 thugs and o haunt polling sites to Intimidate voters.

Now that Intimidation tactact loses its leverage with most of Americans mailing in their votes. They want covid 19 to have the same effect.

Americans on the other hand can simply take back our country by voting.
All Americans need to do is promote getting out to vote, and to get around the right wing Intimidation factor we just need to advance vote by mail!!!
 
2distracted said:
More confirmation of how delusional they are...

What minimally sane American wd choose a mentally impaired, not to mention corrupt person like Biden over Trump who has an awesome resume, who knows how to run the business of the US economy
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You think the economy is good? You think Trump does not deserve some of the blame for our 100,000+ deaths from Covid 19? We need a change and quickly.

 
Chuck9788 said:
President Trump certainly has my vote. He's been a fantastic president. What's most amazing is his long list of accomplishments all while a bogus Russia investigation and an even more pathetic impeachment hearings loomed over his administrations head. I can't think of any recent world leaders that could handle such a biased and hypocritical press.
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Paid posters say the silliest things!!!:lamo
 
Drawdown said:
You seriously believe that? Let's see--there was the access hollywood video; the $200K portrait; the multiple Trump screwed me in his bankruptcy stories; Trump is a racist landlord accounts, all well before the election.
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Those did not personally effect them, and trump is so corrupt that the sheer amount of corruption is so overwhelming that many people believe that it's all came, she. In reality it's all true.

It only takes about 80,000 Midwestern votes to get rid of this scum...
 
Chomsky said:
My current prediction, which is worthless this far out, would be a loss of around 5 or 6 Dem seats in the House, a gain of maybe 2 Dem seats in the Senate, and up until recently I had Trump with the solid edge for the Oval Office. Now, I'm going to call the Presidency close to 50-50, with it still slightly leaning Trump.

But it's just too hard to predict the White House, polls aside, until we see Biden debate. That's the wild card. He could totally bomb. In fact, I see all the debate risk on Biden.
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I see the rest of the campaign a risk for Biden. He makes too many gaffes. Eventually one will be unrecoverable if that comment about blacks wasn't already it.
 
tres borrachos said:
Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and his supporters would continue to support him.

By the way, for the chronically ignorant Trump supporters - that wasn't a compliment when he said that. It was him laughing at the blind loyalty he gets from his supporters.
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He was pointing out that he was building a cult...
 
iguanaman said:
And the covid 19 virus is winning hands down. We have not seen nothing yet. The score is >100,000 going on 200,000 for the virus and Trump zero. When 1000's are dying each day there will be no recovery.
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We have seen the worst of it already, thank you Gov Cuomo.

Keep cheering for people to die. It doesn't look good on you, but it does fit the persona.
 
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