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The Small Business Association demands Planned Parenthood return money it stole

tres borrachos said:
The SBA has to prove that the affiliates don't meet the guidelines. Let us know when they do that.

But yes, close them all down. The millions of women who rely on them for their healthcare needs should just go die on the streets. How Christian of you.
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Democrats oppose greedy corporations but not Planned Parenthood. It does not matter how poor the workers at PP claim to be, they do not deserve money allocated for Americans struggling with the devastating effects of the coronavirus economic depression.
 
Irredentist said:
Applying for and receiving a loan is pretty much the opposite of theft, but I suppose that was just hyperbole.

Be that as it may, Planned Parenthood affiliates and branches have as much right to those loans as any business which operates on a franchise style system.
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The 'loans' PP got were for payroll. Those loans do not have to be paid back. Democrat message to those businesses still suffering who have not yet been allocated money for payroll:

'You are out of luck. We did what we could but you were just too slow to apply for benefits and now they have run out. You should do better next time.'

PP went to the front of the line and got money for its payroll while struggling businesses were left with nothing. That is so typical of democrats and how they do business and treat/mistreat Americans.

Loan Money Runs Out While Small-Business Owners Wait in Line - The New York Times
 
Lursa said:
Too bad some moron fired the guy that was supposed to oversee the stimulus package/$$$ in the middle of its development. :roll:

He might have caught the misdirection of funds to the big corps, chain stores and restaurants, Harvard, etc....afterall, that was his job.
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Democrats lost another guy on the inside, Glenn Fine, and they are livid.
 
Mycroft said:
Only if PP decides to sue.
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PP doesn’t have to do anything. The nonprofits can keep the money and there’s nothing the SBA can do about it but take them to court. The SBA would lose.
 
marke said:
Democrats lost another guy on the inside, Glenn Fine, and they are livid.
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Source?



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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marke said:
Democrats oppose greedy corporations but not Planned Parenthood. It does not matter how poor the workers at PP claim to be, they do not deserve money allocated for Americans struggling with the devastating effects of the coronavirus economic depression.
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So people who work at PP aren't employees who are part of the American economy?
 
Napoleon said:
PP doesn’t have to do anything. The nonprofits can keep the money and there’s nothing the SBA can do about it but take them to court. The SBA would lose.
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You should read the OP's article again. It spoke of fraud on the part of PP.

If PP refuses to return the money they won't get sued...they'll find themselves under criminal indictment.
 
pocket aces said:
So people who work at PP aren't employees who are part of the American economy?
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I think they are. I think PP is a money-making operation that gets unlawful and immoral funding from democrat slush fund allocations for the purpose of enriching the executives and feeding the kickback support PP gives to democrats each year amounting to tens of millions of dollars. PP does not need the money. They have plenty of money and they still rob thousands of American small businesses by taking the first cut of the fatted stimulus money leaving the thousands of small businesses with nothing once the money runs out.
 
Mycroft said:
You should read the OP's article again. It spoke of fraud on the part of PP.

If PP refuses to return the money they won't get sued...they'll find themselves under criminal indictment.
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Maybe PP does not qualify for stimulus money. The claim of fraud that I find so far is, they should have known that they did not qualify?

I have seen enough of this completely bungled stimulus program, and to blame the receiver of monies is absolutely ridiculous.

The true small ma and pa business in desperate need of monies were left out, round one. Monies were doled out to large institutions and businesses.

Shame on trump, his administration, congress, SBA, banks and loan officers for not having their ***** together.

Planned Parenthood like any institution, business, healthcare entity are required to go through an application process.

Congress passed stimulus- trump supposidely reviewed it, then signed- SBA oversight- Banks frontline

Let's stress "Application process" quite obvious where the blame lies if monies were given out incorrectly.
 
marke said:
I think they are. I think PP is a money-making operation that gets unlawful and immoral funding from democrat slush fund allocations for the purpose of enriching the executives and feeding the kickback support PP gives to democrats each year amounting to tens of millions of dollars. PP does not need the money. They have plenty of money and they still rob thousands of American small businesses by taking the first cut of the fatted stimulus money leaving the thousands of small businesses with nothing once the money runs out.
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I say double the money for them
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Don't argue with me. I didn't write the law, I didn't sign it and I don't administer it. You need to talk to Congress, the President or the SBA if you think they are wrong.
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I'm arguing because you and others seem to be mistakenly putting out that affiliation means something it doesn't in Small Business Association terms. It has nothing to do with being a part of a bigger organization by name and everything to do with ownership and/or leadership, which is according the the SBA rules, which is how the limitations on the PPP were written.

It doesn't mean these PP may not have been wrong. It does mean that it is not black or white.

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Mycroft said:
You should read the OP's article again. It spoke of fraud on the part of PP.

If PP refuses to return the money they won't get sued...they'll find themselves under criminal indictment.
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It speaks of alleged fraud based on PP itself being a large organization and affiliations being based on name association only. But that isn't how SBA rules work. PP works through franchises, which means those individuals who own the specific clinics are each individual owners. Each owner is then held to the standard of how many employees they have working for them, not how many work for PP as a large entity, as they are trying to present, unless PP itself owns more than 50% of each of those franchised clinics or they provide a certain percentage of the overall leadership over those clinics.

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Mycroft said:
You should read the OP's article again. It spoke of fraud on the part of PP.

If PP refuses to return the money they won't get sued...they'll find themselves under criminal indictment.
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That’s pure fiction.
 
GDViking said:
Wasn't it trump who said he would not follow the oversight stipulations of the stimulus???
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It doesn't matter what Trump says He will or won't do. Trump says stuff to send people off and away in various direction and busy themselves non-productively only to then not do what He said or do something diff. to again distract and divert, wash, rinse, repeat. The thing is, Trump gets more radical/worse in what He says, does and doesn't do as time marches on.
 
marke said:
Democrats oppose greedy corporations but not Planned Parenthood. It does not matter how poor the workers at PP claim to be, they do not deserve money allocated for Americans struggling with the devastating effects of the coronavirus economic depression.
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Tell us more about how you want poor women to die.
 
Mycroft said:
From the OP's link:





Do you need more?
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HAHAHAHHA! I love it. You're quoting politicians again, and avoiding reality. You never fail to amuse.

Let me try asking again, and maybe this time you can answer.

Which part of the CARES Act excludes Planned Parenthood from receiving funds under the PPP if the affiliate office falls under the guidelines established for qualifying organizations.

You didn't say which part of the act excludes them if the affiliate office falls under the guidelines established for qualifying organizations. You don't need to quote Marco Rubio. He didn't post what you did.
 
roguenuke said:
It speaks of alleged fraud based on PP itself being a large organization and affiliations being based on name association only. But that isn't how SBA rules work. PP works through franchises, which means those individuals who own the specific clinics are each individual owners. Each owner is then held to the standard of how many employees they have working for them, not how many work for PP as a large entity, as they are trying to present, unless PP itself owns more than 50% of each of those franchised clinics or they provide a certain percentage of the overall leadership over those clinics.

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Because I've already forgotten more about PPP than Mycroft will ever know from reading The Conservative Treehouse and the other sources of his Birther news, I can take this one.

The organization needs to prove that they don't share finances with the parent company. They can't file taxes jointly. They have to maintain their own payroll. They have to maintain their own rent/mortgage expenses, their own utility expenses.

Just like YMCAs, they share a name with a larger organization, and they are self-funded and are therefore affiliates. Same thing with local animal shelters that have "SPCA" in their names. That doesn't mean they are part of the very large ASPCA. Same thing with churches. As a church, you could get a PPP loan even though the Vatican - a very wealthy organization - has oversight of you.

The PP affiliates that applied for these loans have to prove only that. One would think Senator Rubio would know that too. He has already declared them guilty of fraud, and now has the Trump supporters doing the same thing, without ever doing his due diligence and collecting the documentation that they would have, by law, had to supply to the lender when they applied.
 
tres borrachos said:
Because I've already forgotten more about PPP than Mycroft will ever know from reading The Conservative Treehouse and the other sources of his Birther news, I can take this one.

The organization needs to prove that they don't share finances with the parent company. They can't file taxes jointly. They have to maintain their own payroll. They have to maintain their own rent/mortgage expenses, their own utility expenses.

Just like YMCAs, they share a name with a larger organization, and they are self-funded and are therefore affiliates. Same thing with local animal shelters that have "SPCA" in their names. That doesn't mean they are part of the very large ASPCA. Same thing with churches. As a church, you could get a PPP loan even though the Vatican - a very wealthy organization - has oversight of you.

The PP affiliates that applied for these loans have to prove only that. One would think Senator Rubio would know that too. He has already declared them guilty of fraud, and now has the Trump supporters doing the same thing, without ever doing his due diligence and collecting the documentation that they would have, by law, had to supply to the lender when they applied.
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Thank you. Much more info than I read but still fits with what I read.

I'm not saying those particular ones that all got them qualified, as I don't know their circumstances, but from what I've read, the underlying issue is that the only reason they are being questioned is because of politics, not because of any actual evidence that those particular clinics that got the money didn't themselves qualify to get it.

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roguenuke said:
Thank you. Much more info than I read but still fits with what I read.

I'm not saying those particular ones that all got them qualified, as I don't know their circumstances, but from what I've read, the underlying issue is that the only reason they are being questioned is because of politics, not because of any actual evidence that those particular clinics that got the money didn't themselves qualify to get it.

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Oh of course that's the only reason they are being questioned. Noticed how they aren't questioning anyone else? They are appealing to the usual suspects doing this.

I don't know if these were real affiliates or not. Nobody does - except the lenders who took their documentation, and the actual offices themselves. But hey, let's say they're guilty because, you know...abortion!
 
marke said:
Are you certian we must murder millions of innocent unborn babies in order to keep millions of poor women from dying?
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Yep. It works great!
 
marke said:
Are you certian we must murder millions of innocent unborn babies in order to keep millions of poor women from dying?
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Why are you discussing your fantasy about murder in a thread about the SBA? Confess to someone else. Like your fake priest.
 
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