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The Next Death Wave From Covid 19 Will Be The Poor, Rural, And White


An admirably fact-based attempt by you to justify your opinion.

I won't defend them as perfect; and I don't agree with your previous sneering tone toward them.

For example, their 'mixed' rating on accuracy was far from some sort of 'they get a lot wrong' reason; the explanation mentioned they'd received one 'false' rating on a story.

What was that horrible error? They'd said a state department board had no female members among its nine members.

In fact, it had one; a photo of the group they saw did not include her as she was not at the meeting. That was wrong, a mistake, but hardly a major issue. Their point about low female representation being one of nine instead of zero of nine was still largely correct, it wasn't an error to make them useless as a resource. I'm not interested in the 'left bias' rating, I am in the accuracy.
 
An admirably fact-based attempt by you to justify your opinion.

I won't defend them as perfect; and I don't agree with your previous sneering tone toward them.

For example, their 'mixed' rating on accuracy was far from some sort of 'they get a lot wrong' reason; the explanation mentioned they'd received one 'false' rating on a story.

What was that horrible error? They'd said a state department board had no female members among its nine members.

In fact, it had one; a photo of the group they saw did not include her as she was not at the meeting. That was wrong, a mistake, but hardly a major issue. Their point about low female representation being one of nine instead of zero of nine was still largely correct, it wasn't an error to make them useless as a resource. I'm not interested in the 'left bias' rating, I am in the accuracy.

One issue I have is that they tend to take an isolated fact, and then make unwarranted conclusions. The out of context part makes them inaccurate. That is precisely the problem I have with them, their inaccuracy.
 
What do you call a crisis that kills a hundred thousand Americans? It all depends on who does the dying.

At first, it seemed like it was mostly white people infected and/or killed by the coronavirus.

As the scale of the coronavirus pandemic dawned on Americans during the month of March, most of the media attention was given to white people like Tom Hanks, while the danger of coronavirus to black people went largely underreported by American media. It was around this time when both the media and the White House decreed it a national emergency.

The early cases that made the news and caught everybody’s attention were mainly wealthy white people who’d traveled to the West Coast from Asia and the East Coast from Europe.

Trump’s official national emergency declaration came on March 11, and most of the country shut down or at least went partway toward that outcome. The economy crashed and millions of Americans were laid off, but saving lives was, after all, the number one consideration.

Trump put medical doctors on TV daily, the media was freaking out about refrigerated trucks carrying bodies away from New York hospitals, and doctors and nurses were our new national heroes.

And then came April 7, 2020.

The next death wave from COVID-19 will be the poor, rural and white – Alternet.org

You mean the ones Democrats constantly pander to?
 
Heart disease
Cancer
Accidents unintentional injuries
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
Stroke cerebrovascular diseases
Alzheimer’s disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide

Get the picture?

With the exception of the flu, not a single cause of death you listed can be passed from one person to the other via close contact. :roll: :lol:

In addition, not a single cause of death you listed can be avoided simply by staying at home.
 
Many poor, rural whites will be victimized in the next surge.

I live in a poor, rural area. The poor, rural whites are the ones going out without masks, refusing to "bow down to the sciency libs by wearing a mask."

A trained monkey could have written this article and gotten pretty close.
 
LOL...what a fraudulent post. Democrats, leadership, and their media lapdogs are rooting for as many deaths as it takes to beat Trump in November.

These weasels are willing to destroy the economy, burn down Main Street, keep 35 million out of work, and disrupt any way they can. It's what was promised the morning after The Coronation that wasn't. Go ahead and play dumb; you're not fooling anybody.

I'm going to explain it because I kinda feel sorry for you.

You made several naked assertions, assign position, make assumptions, and jump to conclusions in post #25. The entire paragraph is you fantasizing a scenario that makes sense to you. You're engaging in speculation and conjecture.

But so do half the posters here.

Oh, the irony.
 
One issue I have is that they tend to take an isolated fact, and then make unwarranted conclusions. The out of context part makes them inaccurate. That is precisely the problem I have with them, their inaccuracy.

I will say that you are at least arguing the point on a reasonable basis. I'd need to see some examples and how much of a pattern they have of it. But my opinion of your criticism has gone up a notch, it's not at the 'they're left-wing so they're all smelly liars' level I usually see.

So, I'll even do a 'spot check' for you. I'll glance at the current page and see how good or bad it looks on accuracy.

Noam Chomsky saying trump is a sociopathic megalomaniac who harmed our country's preparedness for the virus - good.

"How Rudy Giuliani went from ‘America’s mayor’ to self-serving Trump sycophant" - appears accurate

"Husband of Reopen NC leader ‘willing to kill people’ in resistance to emergency orders" - appears accurate, quoting the person's comments.

"Bill Barr parroted the cliché that ‘history is written by the winners.’ A professor of history explains why he’s wrong" - it's a commentary on who writes history, an opinion piece, not unreasonable

"A historian explains why the anti-Trump ‘Mourning in America’ ad could seal Trump’s fate in November" - An opinion article about the possible effectiveness of an ad, not unreasonable

"Video of Trumpian anti-mask jerks goes viral" - it's a video.

"Lindsey Graham’s own words get thrown back in his face in devastating attack ad" - About an add accurately quoting Graham's earlier attacks on trump

"Reporter slams Kayleigh McEnany for turning press briefing into a ‘malicious’ Obamagate ‘propaganda’ session" - looks accurate.

"Fox News host masterfully debunks Trump’s baseless claims about mail-in voting" - looks accurate. Are you defending trump's false attacks on mail voting, or trying to attack the correct reporting on it?

A series of political pieces - this seems to be an aggregation site, pulling pieces from other sources, such as "The History New Network".

"‘Fear and aggression — dogmatism and intolerance’: These psychological motives have shaped right-wing conservatism in America ever since the Civil War"

"Why rebuilding America’s manufacturing muscle is essential"

"Trump demanded churches re-open after polls found ‘staggering decline’ in support from Christian conservatives"

"https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/trump-implores-forensic-geniuses-to-investigate-former-gop-congressman-for-murder/"

I could go on, but as appearing to just be an aggregator of reasonable, left-wing stories, there's not a lot to say - the criticisms might well be fair that sometimes they link a questionable story, stories mentioning unproven claims of harm from cell phones were mentioned, but they seem generally accurate.

Which leads to the story this thread was about: "The next death wave from COVID-19 will be the poor, rural and white"

The issue of alternet's accuracy, which is the issue you raised, isn't even relevant here; the story is simply a link from Thom Hartmann.

Hartmann is the leading progressive talk radio host, and an author of many books. He's generally very credible; you might find the occasional mistake or weak spot.

This calls for a better response, one more evidence based, than a snark comment about Alternet.

I just skimmed the article, and it looks like an accurate summary of facts, and opinion about the racial politics of the virus and how its shift toward more white people will affect that.

Your snark one liner has no basis, and demands one. You should retract it and either not comment or comment with some substance, or you will be the inaccurate person here, not alternet or Hartmann.
 
Nancy Pelosi, NPR, George Conway, Robert DeNiro, Rachel Maddow, DNC, Hillary Clinton and her chambermaids, every rabid leftist wearing a "I HATE TRUMP" diaper, etc, etc.

oh, are you excited
 
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Heart disease
Cancer
Accidents unintentional injuries
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
Stroke cerebrovascular diseases
Alzheimer’s disease
Diabetes
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease
Suicide

Get the picture?

With the exception of the flu, not a single cause of death you listed can be passed from one person to the other via close contact. :roll: :lol:

In addition, not a single cause of death you listed can be avoided simply by staying at home.

Yes, Superfly, you have the right of it, and Condor has flown to near the sun of out of context insistence with an unwarranted conclusion.

His fallacy of false equivalency startles one's comment sense.
 
With the exception of the flu, not a single cause of death you listed can be passed from one person to the other via close contact. :roll: :lol:

In addition, not a single cause of death you listed can be avoided simply by staying at home.

And nothing I posted has a 98.58% survival rate. So theres that
 
I live in a poor, rural area. The poor, rural whites are the ones going out without masks, refusing to "bow down to the sciency libs by wearing a mask."

A trained monkey could have written this article and gotten pretty close.

There is the advantage of 'low population density'. That might factor into things. However, never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
 
And nothing I posted has a 98.58% survival rate. So theres that

Completely irrelevant.

If you knew that simply by staying home until a cure was found, you would never get cancer, chances are you’d wait. Especially considering a search for a cure is underway.

Or maybe not. I don’t know. There’s a reason seat belt laws were put in place. Because you can’t always trust people to do the right thing for themselves or their families.

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the number of idiots who are walking around without a mask. Like they are just asking for it.
 
There is the advantage of 'low population density'. That might factor into things. However, never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

No, that doesn’t help, my friend. If it’s not near them, they will go to it.

Seen the beaches this weekend? :roll:
 
No, that doesn’t help, my friend. If it’s not near them, they will go to it.

Seen the beaches this weekend? :roll:

No, I haven't. I am avoiding them.
 
Completely irrelevant.

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the number of idiots who are walking around without a mask. Like they are just asking for it.

But the masks primarily protect other people from you, so it only works if everyone wears a mask.

Calling out some dufus not wearing a mask is a good way to start a confrontation if not a fight.
 
The next wave will affect the poor & rural red state areas that already have a shortage of hospitals. If Trump is counting on the next wave to suppress the vote, it will be his voters on the ventilators.
 
But the masks primarily protect other people from you, so it only works if everyone wears a mask.

Calling out some dufus not wearing a mask is a good way to start a confrontation if not a fight.

Wearing a mask protects everyone to an extent, much more so than not wearing one at all.

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Wearing a mask protects everyone to an extent, much more so than not wearing one at all.

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I agree. I wear an N95 mask of which I own 3 (one in original plastic bubble pack wrapping), 50 Curad virus masks & some cloth face masks from China that I bought from Amazon. These were all acquired several years ago when there was a flu outbreak. I also have safety goggles. The N95 should catch the stray aerosol droplet which are too large to get through the pores in the mask's styrofoam-like material.
 
Completely irrelevant.

The survival rate is irrelevant? That one statement anchors your position. You don't care what the survival rate is, you just think the people of this country should just destroy their own futures because the media has convinced you how bad things are.

If you want to stay home until a cure is found or wear a mask, nobody is stopping you.

If you knew that simply by staying home until a cure was found, you would never get cancer, chances are you’d wait. Especially considering a search for a cure is underway.

So you would stay home your entire life waiting for a cure for cancer huh. What were you doing before Covid?

I am absolutely gobsmacked at the number of idiots who are walking around without a mask. Like they are just asking for it.

Maybe its because you who decided to blindly believe your media sources that has convinced you of this imaginary guarantee of infection and/or death from a virus that has over a 98% survival rate. You look at the deaths reported in NY and think everything you are watching is true. But if you actually run the number reported by each state you come up with an amazing realization.

1. NOBODY has died for lack of a hospital bed or ventilator.

2. The average reported death rate per 10K infected in NY, NJ, and Penn, is 861

3. The average reported death rate per 10K in Fl, TX, and Ga is 360.

Now this has nothing to do with population density. It is the death rate per infected. So are we all to believe that the doctors and nurses in NY, NJ, and Penn are so lacking in their skill sets that their death rates are almost triple everyone else, or is there another reason?

We don't destroy the futures of 30 million people over a virus with a 98.58% survival rate. Never in our history have we done this. So why now?

You can elect not to ask critical questions and be obedient to your media resources or you can stop watching this fake news and live your life. There is NOTHING stopping you from hiding in your home for another year or so waiting for this cure or from wearing a mask. But when you see people so terrified they are driving around in their cars with a mask on, you start to get the picture.

I am 61. I had this before they even knew what is was. My Doctor prescribed hydroxychloroquine and 3 days later I was fine. No ventilators and no hospital stays. You know how we know I had it? Because my blood oxygenation was around 85%, I was tired all the time, and weak with respiratory problems.

When you see the media trying to convince you that hydroxychloroquine is so dangerous but you realize it has been prescribed for decades, you might get a hint that you are being lied to.

So its you choice. Mask up and bury yourself in your home for the next year or live your life without the fear you have been trained to respond too.
 
The survival rate is irrelevant? That one statement anchors your position. You don't care what the survival rate is, you just think the people of this country should just destroy their own futures because the media has convinced you how bad things are.

No, your comment was irrelevant to the conversation. Of course I care what the survival rate is. I care more about survival rate than I do about the economy right now. Do I feel sorry for people who are losing their livelihoods over this? Of course. I feel badly for anybody who loses their business. Maybe if the stimulus money had been properly allocated, and going to Bob's Pizza down the street, instead of Ruth's Criss Steakhouse, then maybe Bob wouldn't be going out of business. But I feel even more sorry for people (young, old, rich, poor) who are dying over this than Bob who lost his pizza business. Companies can rebuild.

If you want to stay home until a cure is found or wear a mask, nobody is stopping you.

I DON'T WANT TO STAY AT HOME BUT SELFISH PRICKS WON'T STAY HOME LONG ENOUGH TO FLATTEN THIS THING OUT. If people would stay home and stop being such dicks, maybe those of us who are trying to do the right thing would actually be able to go outside, too.


So you would stay home your entire life waiting for a cure for cancer huh. What were you doing before Covid?

If cancer were airborne and passed on by people you come in contact with in public, then yes I would be staying home until a cure was found. But again - cancer is not airborne. Cancer is not contagious. You are really making yourself look silly by continually using false equivalencies.

Maybe its because you who decided to blindly believe your media sources that has convinced you of this imaginary guarantee of infection and/or death from a virus that has over a 98% survival rate. You look at the deaths reported in NY and think everything you are watching is true. But if you actually run the number reported by each state you come up with an amazing realization.

1. NOBODY has died for lack of a hospital bed or ventilator.

2. The average reported death rate per 10K infected in NY, NJ, and Penn, is 861

3. The average reported death rate per 10K in Fl, TX, and Ga is 360.

Now this has nothing to do with population density. It is the death rate per infected. So are we all to believe that the doctors and nurses in NY, NJ, and Penn are so lacking in their skill sets that their death rates are almost triple everyone else, or is there another reason?

We don't destroy the futures of 30 million people over a virus with a 98.58% survival rate. Never in our history have we done this. So why now?

You can elect not to ask critical questions and be obedient to your media resources or you can stop watching this fake news and live your life. There is NOTHING stopping you from hiding in your home for another year or so waiting for this cure or from wearing a mask. But when you see people so terrified they are driving around in their cars with a mask on, you start to get the picture.

I am 61. I had this before they even knew what is was. My Doctor prescribed hydroxychloroquine and 3 days later I was fine. No ventilators and no hospital stays. You know how we know I had it? Because my blood oxygenation was around 85%, I was tired all the time, and weak with respiratory problems.

When you see the media trying to convince you that hydroxychloroquine is so dangerous but you realize it has been prescribed for decades, you might get a hint that you are being lied to.

So its you choice. Mask up and bury yourself in your home for the next year or live your life without the fear you have been trained to respond too.

Blah blah media R bad, blah blah, I don't believe nothin' nobody sez cuz that thar media is out to git you and kill you and Bill Gates is gonna put implants in our arms and it's the MARK OF THE BEAST OMGZ11!!11!

You sound ridiculous with your attacks against the media.

Now when you become a medical statistician, and you get actual numbers from actual hospitals, get back to me.

You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath, though, because I can't imagine anybody is going to give "Condor060" any actual medical statistics, because, well - why would they? Not like you would believe them, anyway. They are all just made up by the insane left-wing MSM.

Tinfoil hats are on aisle 9, by the way.
 
Now when you become a medical statistician, and you get actual numbers from actual hospitals, get back to me.

You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath, though, because I can't imagine anybody is going to give "Condor060" any actual medical statistics, because, well - why would they? Not like you would believe them, anyway. They are all just made up by the insane left-wing MSM.

Tinfoil hats are on aisle 9, by the way.

You mean like the infected and death numbers already reported to the public?

Just an FYI, You don't have to be a medical statistician to do basic math.

New York
354,370 cases 28,605 deaths
807 deaths per 10K infected

New Jersey
149,356 cases 10,587 deaths
708 per 10K infected

Pennsylvania
67,311 cases 4,628 deaths
687 per 10K infected

Michigan
52,350 cases 5,017 Deaths
958 deaths per 10K infected

But when compared to every other states, the death rate per infected are so drastically lower.

Texas 50,579 cases 1389 deaths
274 per 10K infected

Florida 47,471 cases, 2096 deaths
441 deaths per 10K infected

Georgia 39,664 cases, 1688 deaths
425 deaths per 10K infected

North Carolina 19,909 cases, 722 deaths
362 deaths per 10K infected

And the numbers of deaths per 10K infected get smaller and smaller from here.
 
You mean like the infected and death numbers already reported to the public?

Just an FYI, You don't have to be a medical statistician to do basic math.

New York
354,370 cases 28,605 deaths
807 deaths per 10K infected

New Jersey
149,356 cases 10,587 deaths
708 per 10K infected

Pennsylvania
67,311 cases 4,628 deaths
687 per 10K infected

Michigan
52,350 cases 5,017 Deaths
958 deaths per 10K infected

But when compared to every other states, the death rate per infected are so drastically lower.

Texas 50,579 cases 1389 deaths
274 per 10K infected

Florida 47,471 cases, 2096 deaths
441 deaths per 10K infected

Georgia 39,664 cases, 1688 deaths
425 deaths per 10K infected

North Carolina 19,909 cases, 722 deaths
362 deaths per 10K infected

And the numbers of deaths per 10K infected get smaller and smaller from here.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. People are dying. 100,000 people are dead and you are trying to justify it by saying, "Well derpity derp, the numbers just ain't that bad iffin' you look at it on a bigger scale."

97 people died yesterday in NY. 97 in one day from something that could have been prevented.

You can be flip all you want about it, but I dare you to go up to any one of those 97 people who had family die yesterday, and tell them that the media is making this out to be far worse than it is, and that since that many people really aren't dead, we should not have to worry about wearing masks.

Do it. I dare you. Just 1 person.

Then, I want you to take one M & M and douse it in cyanide, and then mix it in with 99 other M & Ms, and tell me if you'd take your chances on eating any M & Ms.
 
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. People are dying. 100,000 people are dead and you are trying to justify it by saying, "Well derpity derp, the numbers just ain't that bad iffin' you look at it on a bigger scale."

97 people died yesterday in NY. 97 in one day from something that could have been prevented.

You can be flip all you want about it, but I dare you to go up to any one of those 97 people who had family die yesterday, and tell them that the media is making this out to be far worse than it is, and that since that many people really aren't dead, we should not have to worry about wearing masks.

Do it. I dare you. Just 1 person.

Then, I want you to take one M & M and douse it in cyanide, and then mix it in with 99 other M & Ms, and tell me if you'd take your chances on eating any M & Ms.

Now when you become a medical statistician, and you get actual numbers from actual hospitals, get back to me.

I got back to you.

Now you want to go on some emotional rant? If you can't deal with the information you requested without having a meltdown because it shows you were wrong, maybe debate isn't for you.
 
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