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Is Trump mentally ill?

SouthernDemocrat said:
Trump is a walking personality disorder.
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Check out the posts trying to defend him. One person is inserting magical words Trump never said, after I presented them with the quote and video of him saying it. The other person excuses Trump telling people to inject disinfectant because he "bumbles his words." The deceitful lengths these people will go to protect dear leader is scary.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I specifically quoted the part of your post that was relevant to my answer... but you are free to try and create a Straw Man if you like.

Nothing new there... Unless you address that specifically then I win this debate.
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You made an asinine statement in an attempt to excuse Trump's constant idiotic behavior. I demonstrated how asinine your statement was. Look up strawmaning, because that ain't it.
 
JustHanging said:
You made an asinine statement in an attempt to excuse Trump's constant idiotic behavior. I demonstrated how asinine your statement was. Look up strawmaning, because that ain't it.
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Sure is... you misrepresented my argument and attacked that claiming victory by asking questions that seem to defeat my misrepresented argument.

And here you are still not addressing what I actually said... nothing new... par for the course... and the ultimate end result where I WIN.

Trump telling people to inject disinfectant because he "bumbles his words." The
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Trump literally did not tell anybody to inject themselves with disinfectant. Literally...
 
JustHanging said:
LOL, classic Red Herring. You just go from one deceitful argument to another, don't you?

We're talking about Trump's incompetence, nobody else's.
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That's ridiculous. Are you saying all the world leaders are incompetent?
 
JustHanging said:
Quit making up bull**** to defend your dear leader.

When he's talking about injecting disinfectants he says nothing about "chlorine dioxide". You are flat out lying. And you know this, I quoted him, you read it and could watch it. Quit lying.
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It is what he meant. It is a well known antibiotic. Just not sold by the drug companies.
 
JustHanging said:
You made an asinine statement in an attempt to excuse Trump's constant idiotic behavior. I demonstrated how asinine your statement was. Look up strawmaning, because that ain't it.
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Did you know that TDS can raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels?
 
Citizen said:
Do you like him?
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No. But I don't have TDS. I agree with him sometimes and disagree with him other times. I think he is trying his best, but the job is impossible. Especially now. And, admittedly, he lacks political experience. Which might not help much, I don't know. He is not an intellectual, but that doesn't help much with this kind of job anyway.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So he is like almost every other world leader then?
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Not Japan. Not South Korea or Germany.

SK is kicking ass. Less than 12k cases, 264 deaths. With a sixth of our population on 1% of the land. 13 times as dense as America. Half the GDP per capita.

They acted early. Never needed to shut down fully. Are largely back to normal.

They followed outbreak containment SOP. It worked.

Trump tried hoping real hard. That didn't work as well.

When we hit 100k dead that'll be 400 times as many as South Korea. Even with only a sixth of our population that's still over sixty times as many deaths.

At over one and a half million confirmed cases we have already beaten them by 20 times, adjusted for population.

There simply isn't any excuse for these numbers. 60 dead for each one of theirs. 20 infections. In a xountry where much of our population "social distances" by default. Has limited contact with folks from outside their communities.

But we're gonna hear every excuse they can dream up until they decide which one works the best and then that one will be repeated ad nauseum.
 
Good4Nothin said:
If Trump did such a terrible job with the pandemic, the US would be much worse off than the rest of the world. That is far from true. Are all those other leaders idiots also?
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A surprising majority, yes.

But there are countries that did follow pandemic SOP and they are crushing us at this.

South Korea has 50 million people but less that 12k cases and less than 300 deaths. Capitalist democratic republic modeled after our system. 13 times as dense. Half as rich by GDP.

They followed protocols for these situations. They've done it before and know that they work.

We did not follow protocols.

We only had 15 cases that would soon be down to zero and if that didn't work out it would flow throught the country and disappear in April, and if that didn't work if we can keep the deaths to 100,000, if they only go to 150,000 or two hundred thousand we'll have all done a very good job.

And now the message is it's time to get your asses back to generating profits for their donors. You can tell that's really what it is because there are zero teeth in any federal opening plan. Only advice, suggestions, if they feel like spending the money and it won't be too inconvenient or establish any expensive health measures that workers will expect to keep when their workplace goes back to just very hazardous to their health and not extremely anymore.

And bet your ass no corporation will suffer any liability however recklessly they endanger their employees. That's how the law will read.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
I have argued that Trump is mentally ill for the past two years. Notwithstanding the obvious fact that incompetence is not a mental illness, his paranoia and narcissism are extreme, and he is sociopath. He does not concern himself with the consequences of his decisions or his statements.

Most recently, his promotion of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, and his claim that he took the drug for two weeks, probably caused death or injury to some of his gullible followers. Trump didn't care.

There are countless examples in which his decisions unnecessarily cost lives or created a global crisis. Trump doesn't care. Please see: A report card on the Trump administration

As of April 3, Trump’s 1,170th day in office, our database shows that he has made 18,000 false or misleading claims. Since our last update 75 days ago, he’s been averaging just over 23 claims a day. That’s slightly higher than the 22 a day he recorded in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-18000-false-or-misleading-claims-1170-days/

Trump himself defines truthful hyperbole.

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

“I Call It Truthful Hyperbole”: The Most Popular Quotes From Trump’s “

Are these the attributes of a mentally healthy man?
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Good4Nothin said:
Ok, you read the title but you didn't read the OP. If you don't like Trump, then of course he is mentally ill. Do you see the point of this post?
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Your spin is obvious. First, you assume Trump is a mentally healthy man. Therefore, it is all political. If you don't like Trump, then he is mentally ill. If you like Trump, then he is not mentally ill.

You are avoiding the obvious.

Just as you avoided my post. Your Trump friendly spin did not allow you to look at those issues.

You also have avoided the thread provided that explains Trump's incompetence and insanity.

Nice try.
 
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What if...? said:
Not Japan. Not South Korea or Germany.

SK is kicking ass. Less than 12k cases, 264 deaths. With a sixth of our population on 1% of the land. 13 times as dense as America. Half the GDP per capita.

They acted early. Never needed to shut down fully. Are largely back to normal.

They followed outbreak containment SOP. It worked.

Trump tried hoping real hard. That didn't work as well.

When we hit 100k dead that'll be 400 times as many as South Korea. Even with only a sixth of our population that's still over sixty times as many deaths.

At over one and a half million confirmed cases we have already beaten them by 20 times, adjusted for population.

There simply isn't any excuse for these numbers. 60 dead for each one of theirs. 20 infections. In a xountry where much of our population "social distances" by default. Has limited contact with folks from outside their communities.

But we're gonna hear every excuse they can dream up until they decide which one works the best and then that one will be repeated ad nauseum.
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You chose to compare the US to the very small number of countries that did better. Why are you not mentioning Spain, Italy, France, UK, Belgium, Sweden, etc.?

I'll tell you why, because you are biased and care nothing about fairness or truth.
 
Michael Cole said:
Who in their right mind would like a mentally ill narcissistic, egomaniac, delusional pile of **** who cannot stand being told "no?"
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Many in his family for starters. Ignoring the obvious that there is no evidence whatsoever of President Trump being "mentally ill".
 
What if...? said:
A surprising majority, yes.

But there are countries that did follow pandemic SOP and they are crushing us at this.

South Korea has 50 million people but less that 12k cases and less than 300 deaths. Capitalist democratic republic modeled after our system. 13 times as dense. Half as rich by GDP.

They followed protocols for these situations. They've done it before and know that they work.

We did not follow protocols.

We only had 15 cases that would soon be down to zero and if that didn't work out it would flow throught the country and disappear in April, and if that didn't work if we can keep the deaths to 100,000, if they only go to 150,000 or two hundred thousand we'll have all done a very good job.

And now the message is it's time to get your asses back to generating profits for their donors. You can tell that's really what it is because there are zero teeth in any federal opening plan. Only advice, suggestions, if they feel like spending the money and it won't be too inconvenient or establish any expensive health measures that workers will expect to keep when their workplace goes back to just very hazardous to their health and not extremely anymore.

And bet your ass no corporation will suffer any liability however recklessly they endanger their employees. That's how the law will read.
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We are at 99,286 deaths right now. I fear we will hit the milestone of 100,000 dead Americans on Memorial Day.

Boy, that really sucks.

Good job, Mr. President.
 
What if...? said:
A surprising majority, yes.

But there are countries that did follow pandemic SOP and they are crushing us at this.

South Korea has 50 million people but less that 12k cases and less than 300 deaths. Capitalist democratic republic modeled after our system. 13 times as dense. Half as rich by GDP.

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You ignore the obvious. South Korea has something the U.S. doesn't have and will probably never have. Social cohesion and a high degree of public trust in the government. South Koreans for the most part believe what their government tells them is the truth and probably the right thing to do so they do it.

Americans for the most part are raised with a tremendous degree of skepticism regarding their government.
 
Dayton3 said:
Many in his family for starters. Ignoring the obvious that there is no evidence whatsoever of President Trump being "mentally ill".
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Not the point. It is more likely that people like or dislike someone because of their perceived character, not the other way around; partisan politics excluded.
 
Good4Nothin said:
You chose to compare the US to the very small number of countries that did better. Why are you not mentioning Spain, Italy, France, UK, Belgium, Sweden, etc.?

I'll tell you why, because you are biased and care nothing about fairness or truth.
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Yet you do not consider any reasoning besides a dishonest one.

I know for a fact that containment measures are the first line. Testing, tracing, isolating, repeating until none. Let me guess, nobody has said a word to you about eradication. You see some things that used to kill us are now extinct. No living virus remains.

Did you know that that is possible with new viruses as well? To contain them early and actually eradicate them instead of letting them saturate the planet and become a permanent problem? This one is past that point and would have been whatever we had done.

But we absolutely positively could have kept this outbreak under control to the point where it's impact and the health and death tolls were far lower.

We didn't even try containment. Did nothing to anticipate the necessity even with ample warning and a pandemic drill failure only months before.

The places that acted the fastest and cleaved the closest to established pandemic SOP have fared the best. Those who did not have fared the worst.

It's in the numbers already. The history is already written.
 
What if...? said:
Not Japan. Not South Korea or Germany.

SK is kicking ass. Less than 12k cases, 264 deaths. With a sixth of our population on 1% of the land. 13 times as dense as America. Half the GDP per capita.

They acted early. Never needed to shut down fully. Are largely back to normal.

They followed outbreak containment SOP. It worked.

Trump tried hoping real hard. That didn't work as well.

When we hit 100k dead that'll be 400 times as many as South Korea. Even with only a sixth of our population that's still over sixty times as many deaths.

At over one and a half million confirmed cases we have already beaten them by 20 times, adjusted for population.

There simply isn't any excuse for these numbers. 60 dead for each one of theirs. 20 infections. In a xountry where much of our population "social distances" by default. Has limited contact with folks from outside their communities.

But we're gonna hear every excuse they can dream up until they decide which one works the best and then that one will be repeated ad nauseum.
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And the USA is better than Belgium, Spain, Ireland, France, Italy, England, etc... so Trump is like a lot of other world leaders... didn't handle it great for a variety of reasons. But you are not objective enough to follow that.
 
Dayton3 said:
You ignore the obvious. South Korea has something the U.S. doesn't have and will probably never have. Social cohesion and a high degree of public trust in the government. South Koreans for the most part believe what their government tells them is the truth and probably the right thing to do so they do it.

Americans for the most part are raised with a tremendous degree of skepticism regarding their government.
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I have stated many times that a big part of their success over ours is recent prior experience.

They learned these lessons already. As have the various sciences that study outbreaks and their impacts.

You see, that's the inconvenient part: what those governments did was base their actions on what established science advised. That's it.

There was a time in American when we looked to the scientists to help make these calls.

Now, to a significant segment of our population, anybody who challenges any part of their established canon is fake news, just out to get trump, part of the deep state.

So if Fauci is urging caution while trump is urging abandon, we just don't see Fauci anymore. And now the best course is abandon. You don't see Fauci disagreeing with him do you, so obviously he thinks this is the best possible course of action and nothing could possibly go wrong. Don't listen to him, he doesn't know what he's talkng about, besides I've barely even spoken to the man....

This kind of nonsense. No internal consistency required or encouraged.

And no listening to the learned men anymore either. They're all just nevertrumpin' deap stayt'rs now unless they happen to agree perfectly with everything they say in conservative media.
 
Good4Nothin said:
In other words, you don't like him. See what I mean?
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Since when does stating a fact about a person depend on whether you like him? Facts are facts. You can choose to ignore those facts because you are not thinking clearly but the facts were as he stated. Trump has a malignant narcissistic personality and it is out in plain sight.


Gartner goes on to describe Trump’s narcissism (he knows “more about everything than anyone” and “has empathy for no one but himself”); paranoia (“his demonization of the press, minorities, immigrants, and anyone who disagrees with him, are all signs of paranoia”); sociopathy (“a diagnosis that describes people who constantly lie, violate norms and laws, exploits other people, and show no remorse”); and sadism (“He takes gleeful pleasure in harming and humiliating other people. He is undoubtedly the most prolific cyberbully in history.”).8
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/5-types-people-who-can-ruin-your-life/201903/malignant-narcissism-does-the-president-really

 
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Sandy Shanks said:
We are at 99,286 deaths right now. I fear we will hit the milestone of 100,000 dead Americans on Memorial Day.

Boy, that really sucks.

Good job, Mr. President.
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Compare that to other countries. Otherwise, the number is meaningless.
 
Michael Cole said:
Not the point. It is more likely that people like or dislike someone because of their perceived character, not the other way around; partisan politics excluded.
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You can't exclude partisan politics. That is the number one reason for hating Trump. Republicans hated Obama, Democrats hated G.W. Bush, and Democrats hate Trump.

Trump is easier to hate. But Bush Derangement Syndrome was almost as severe as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

If we had a Republican president who was a gay black female socialist, Democrats would still despise her. Simply because of the "R."
 
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