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One possible very good consequence of the pandemic

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Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:

 
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:

So sad watching John Stossel turn into a deranged lunatic.

One thing is true though, if we had a better education system we wouldn't be in this mess. No Trump, Rational Government, and a pandemic that would have been anticipated and planned for so we aren't in this mess.
 
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:



Or maybe it'll make people make public schools more useful. Don't close your mind so tight.
 
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:



Where will these people send their children? Do you suppose that Betsy DeVos can find openings for them in privately owned schools? Since you are advocating shutting down public schools, I'm very interested to hear your proposal as to where they should be educated and who will pay for that education?

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We decided to take our kids out of school and home school them. They're going to college anyway. They have to pass the GED, then take the SATs, etc.
 
A lot of questions about the bias in this report.

There are indeed parents who do a very good job of teaching their children. Perhaps those kids should stay at home for their schooling.

But the one thing those parents don't have to do that the public teacher is deal with disruptive sometimes violent kids.

The report should have shown the families where the parents are too busy watching the TV to be bothered to teach their children.

Before the pandemic there was nothing outlawing a parent in working to help teach their kids in addition to what they got at school.

Of course the report cherry picked the homes to show.

It would be ideal if more parents became active in their child's schools. But there are just some sad cases out there.

Or maybe John Stossel is correct and we should just shut down the schools and let the parents do it all. Am certain that is how John got his education.
 
‘government’ schools —> all that needs to be said —> con school boards
 
We decided to take our kids out of school and home school them. They're going to college anyway. They have to pass the GED, then take the SATs, etc.
What age? Do you intend to do this at the H.S. age?
 
A lot of questions about the bias in this report.

There are indeed parents who do a very good job of teaching their children. Perhaps those kids should stay at home for their schooling.

But the one thing those parents don't have to do that the public teacher is deal with disruptive sometimes violent kids.

The report should have shown the families where the parents are too busy watching the TV to be bothered to teach their children.

Before the pandemic there was nothing outlawing a parent in working to help teach their kids in addition to what they got at school.

Of course the report cherry picked the homes to show.

It would be ideal if more parents became active in their child's schools. But there are just some sad cases out there.

Or maybe John Stossel is correct and we should just shut down the schools and let the parents do it all. Am certain that is how John got his education.
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.

My fear would be during the kid's H.S. age, because I can't imagine any parent that would be able to give their kid a truly excellent competitive education in full breadth, at least compared to the better schools I'm familiar with. I just can't imagine most parents able to do well in things like Calculus, Physics, Creative Writing, Chem, Bio, Debate, etc. I can see a parent having superior skills in one or two disciplines, but not across them all. And that's to say nothing of extra-curricular stuff like music, sports, etc.

Colour me skeptical. I can see a kid getting a basic moderate lower level education this way, but I have my doubts of then being academically prepared to get into higher-level competitive schools. I'd be worried I'd be knee-capping my kid, not allowing them to realize their full potential & breadth.
 
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:



Who is John Stossel?

quote:

"While I partied and played poker, he studied hard, got top grades, and went to Harvard Medical School." Stossel characterizes himself as having been "an indifferent student" while in college, commenting, "I daydreamed through half my classes at Princeton, and applied to grad school only because I was ambitious, and grad school seemed like the right path for a 21-year-old who wanted to get ahead."

Although he had been accepted to the University of Chicago's School of Hospital Management, Stossel was "sick of school" and thought taking a job would inspire him to embrace graduate studies with renewed vigor.

Sorry, I will not take advice from a person like that about education and, based on YOUR posting history, I wouldn't take advice from you either.
Useless government schools my rosy red ass, sounds like you both needed to spend a little more time applying yourselves in school.

Seriously, NOBODY CARES about the views on public schools from a person who graduated from
"Duh Kollidge of Hawd Knoks and duh una-versity of life".
 
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.

My fear would be during the kid's H.S. age, because I can't imagine any parent that would be able to give their kid a truly excellent competitive education in full breadth, at least compared to the better schools I'm familiar with. I just can't imagine most parents able to do well in things like Calculus, Physics, Creative Writing, Chem, Bio, Debate, etc. I can see a parent having superior skills in one or two disciplines, but not across them all. And that's to say nothing of extra-curricular stuff like music, sports, etc.

Colour me skeptical. I can see a kid getting a basic moderate lower level education this way, but I have my doubts of then being academically prepared to get into higher-level competitive schools. I'd be worried I'd be knee-capping my kid, not allowing them to realize their full potential & breadth.

I understand your concern. Could you see that H.S. age kids, given the right format and direction, and assuming their own ambition, could learn at their own?
 
this is the kind of thread you get after 30 years of Republican propaganda.
 
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.

Three of the public schools in my area have won national awards up against elite private academies.
The public school system I was educated in (Montgomery County Maryland) consistently outperformed almost every other school district in the country AND outperformed a good many private academies as well.
 
A lot of questions about the bias in this report.

There are indeed parents who do a very good job of teaching their children. Perhaps those kids should stay at home for their schooling.

But the one thing those parents don't have to do that the public teacher is deal with disruptive sometimes violent kids.

The report should have shown the families where the parents are too busy watching the TV to be bothered to teach their children.

Before the pandemic there was nothing outlawing a parent in working to help teach their kids in addition to what they got at school.

Of course the report cherry picked the homes to show.

It would be ideal if more parents became active in their child's schools. But there are just some sad cases out there.

Or maybe John Stossel is correct and we should just shut down the schools and let the parents do it all. Am certain that is how John got his education.

Good points.
I agree that some parents could do an equal if not better job of educating their children in the basics.
I agree that a great deal of problems in public schools can be traced to problem students. I am not sure what to do with them as they do not fit one mold, but the problem is real.
Home schooling requires that one parent not work. That is less and less viable in this country, even in the middle class.
Parents, as a rule, need to be more involved in their children's education. Even if they don't understand the work, make your children understand that this is important and find a resource to help. (That resource isn't going to find you)
 
Where will these people send their children? Do you suppose that Betsy DeVos can find openings for them in privately owned schools? Since you are advocating shutting down public schools, I'm very interested to hear your proposal as to where they should be educated and who will pay for that education?

30442273.jpg

Libertarians don't care if kids can't afford an education.
 
‘government’ schools —> all that needs to be said —> con school boards
Let me ask you this? Do you think the same parent that can adequately teach Calculus through differential equations, can also teach a kid to excel in Grammar & Composition, AP Economics, Chem, Bio, etc.? I find it very hard to believe one (or two) parents would have that breadth of skillset to be able to prepare a kid to get into a competitive university. Maybe I could be wrong, but even with spectacular instruction notes - I can't imagine it.
 
Pull them out of public school and put them into no-bang-for-the-buck, for-profit, unaffordable private schools where, as usual in for-profit models, the workers get paid less for owners and mgrs to make more at the expense of the parents and underpaid teachers and other non-mgmnt staff. There is no for-profit model of any kind that costs the same or less as currently and past govt run operations that return the same or better service. Privatization is the continuing Trump/Republican scam to socialize cost of business and privatize profit.
 
I understand your concern. Could you see that H.S. age kids, given the right format and direction, and assuming their own ambition, could learn at their own?
No. Not at all. At least not to put themselves in a position to excel.

We hear of rare people that can pick-up a calculus book, and teach themselves differential equations. But those are extremely rare birds. Most of us have to work our asses-off even with the help of an instructor. I would likely say ditto for many STEM & some other subjects.

I could possibly see this working at the grammar school level, but I have my doubts at high school. And I think we have to define the level of competitiveness. Is the kid going to go to a community college or a low level local 4 year state university that does not have competitive entrance requirements? Or does the kid intend to go to a competitive school?

If the goal is the enter a non-competitive school at the basic college entry level in the basic subjects, yeah maybe this might work out. But that level of education won't get the kid into a selective competitive school & program were the kids are coming-in with superior grades and a slew of AP classes under their belts.

But my biggest fear would be hindering one of my kids if they are a superior & competitive student that could benefit from a good high-school program that offers plenty of APs. That, and the kid missing out on the additional academic classes & activities a good high school program offers. The kid may be an excellent debater or have a knack for journalism or music. How will you know? How will he or she know?
 
Let me ask you this? Do you think the same parent that can adequately teach Calculus through differential equations, can also teach a kid to excel in Grammar & Composition, AP Economics, Chem, Bio, etc.? I find it very hard to believe one (or two) parents would have that breadth of skillset to be able to prepare a kid to get into a competitive university. Maybe I could be wrong, but even with spectacular instruction notes - I can't imagine it.
Imho, you’ll see Community/Junior College admissions skyrocket this decade, even next year. (This will of course have a negative effect on 4+ year college admissions.) Next year is just too much of an unknown.

Parents can’t afford expensive ‘general’ education classes when their finances are now at risk. One benefit we’ve already seen from CC’s is high school students getting a significant portion of an AA before graduation.

The AA transfers in toto to 4-year and beyond colleges/universities in Illinois. Kids can live at home and work a job for a couple years. Thanks for asking me an education question. Got me positive.
 
So sad watching John Stossel turn into a deranged lunatic.

One thing is true though, if we had a better education system we wouldn't be in this mess. No Trump, Rational Government, and a pandemic that would have been anticipated and planned for so we aren't in this mess.

Conservatives weren't the ones who demanded we lower academic standards in order to make children feel better about not being able to pass tests. They also didn't replace the emphasis on math, science and reading with social justice causes. I spent a good deal of classroom time listening to teachers tell me that America was racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, and none of that made me better prepared to compete in the real world.
 
No. Not at all. At least not to put themselves in a position to excel.

We hear of rare people that can pick-up a calculus book, and teach themselves differential equations. But those are extremely rare birds. Most of us have to work our asses-off even with the help of an instructor. I would likely say ditto for many STEM & some other subjects.

I could possibly see this working at the grammar school level, but I have my doubts at high school. And I think we have to define the level of competitiveness. Is the kid going to go to a community college or a low level local 4 year state university that does not have competitive entrance requirements? Or does the kid intend to go to a competitive school?

If the goal is the enter a non-competitive school at the basic college entry level in the basic subjects, yeah maybe this might work out. But that level of education won't get the kid into a selective competitive school & program were the kids are coming-in with superior grades and a slew of AP classes under their belts.

But my biggest fear would be hindering one of my kids if they are a superior & competitive student that could benefit from a good high-school program that offers plenty of APs. That, and the kid missing out on the additional academic classes & activities a good high school program offers. The kid may be an excellent debater or have a knack for journalism or music. How will you know? How will he or she know?

I suppose I am thinking short term, putting my hope in a vaccine and possible treatment, while yours is a long term argument.
 
Three of the public schools in my area have won national awards up against elite private academies.
The public school system I was educated in (Montgomery County Maryland) consistently outperformed almost every other school district in the country AND outperformed a good many private academies as well.
Yes, There are indeed some very good public schools in some jurisdictions.

Can I ask you this? Do you believe it is possible at home, given the right materials & a diligent parent, to get the depth & breadth of education that was available at your school?
 
I suppose I am thinking short term, putting my hope in a vaccine and possible treatment, while yours is a long term argument.
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to hit you with a wall of text. I'm passionate about kids & education. Yeah, I was arguing the long term aspects, not just during this pandemic.

I personal think I'm probably capable of providing a reasonable grammar school level education at home, IF I have good materials and very good & well-detailed syllabuses. But I wouldn't want to try and give my kids a high-school level education. At least not to the level of the schools I ended-up sending them (private Catholic preps). No way.
 
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:



An Expert said:
there's no guarantee that kids are learning democratic values

Sometimes the mask slips.
 
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