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    Re: It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypothetical View Post
    there is barely any white nationalism in america, but you know what there is? a lot of oligarchs willing to sell us out to china to make a buck, that;s what.

    that is what you better be scurred of.

    Trump is the only President in HISTORY to take a tough stance on trade with China. we best keep him around unless we want to be a lackey to the CCP.
    In America they are not called "Oligarch's" they are called " Plutocrats"... the exact same as the Plutocratic System that the Confederacy Adopted in it's program of slavery and indenture and overlords of the land promoted under share-cropping scams.....

    Today, it is Republican who promote not only Plutocratic Agenda, they promote the same type of Authoritarianism that also was part of the Confederacy system which functioned to contain and devastate people.

    All Trump is doing is trying to "jockey to get agreement for lowering the price on Trump Logo products that are made in China".... Along with being pissed off that China won't indulge him in his Real Estate Schemes...
    Trump had tried for more than a decade to register trademarks in China to provide “construction-information,” essentially real estate agent, services in that country, only to be met with a series of unsuccessful rulings and appeals. Since 2005, Trump has applied for at least 130 trademarks in China, all of which—until recently—were met with zero success.
    Donald Trump used Chinese steel and aluminum. The United States has a long history of producing high-quality steel and aluminum, but Trump chose Chinese manufacturers in at least two of his recent construction projects. The Trump International Hotel Las Vegas and the Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago both used tons of Chinese metals.

    The origin of the steel used was obscured. The origin of the steel used to build the Trump hotel in Las Vegas was hidden through a tangle of “various corporate entities, including holding companies registered in the British Virgin Islands," a popular location for offshore entities who place a premium on, ahem, discretion.

    Trump spent at least $350 million on Chinese aluminum. Newsweek estimated Trump used 207,000 feet of Chinese aluminum for the Trump hotel in Chicago. Conservative estimates based on pound per foot means at least $350 million in sales went to a subsidiary of a Chinese aluminum manufacturer. This, when the American aluminum industry is collapsing. In the past two years, “more than half of the country’s aluminum smelters in states like Ohio, West Virginia and Texas have closed as a result of being undercut on price by competition from overseas.”

    Trump’s use of Chinese steel and aluminum is at the expense of America's workers. Trump doesn’t operate a publicly traded company, and he has no fiduciary obligation to shareholders. His decisions are all about higher profits for himself and his family at the expense of American producers and their employees.

    Trump pays his Chinese partners. Or at least there aren’t any reports of Chinese steel or aluminum companies suing to be paid. Unlike in the United States, where workers have time and time again had to sue Trump in order to receive a partial payment for completed jobs.
    You guys demonstrate why people call Trump supporters "Cultist"... because as with the Trump Cult Members, they don't care about "Facts" they only embed themselves in devotion behind what Trump spins.

    With the generalized short attention span that is overtly evident, and the challenges to reading information and understanding what is read... has been a ongoing symptom within the cult program of how cult members are groomed to function. That is the system that embedded itself within White Nationalism. Many NOT ALL white people can't figure out how to vote, for trying to find ways to hold on to concepts of white privilege, obsessing over money, and trying to sustain and promote White Skin based Agenda.. of trying to push a delusion as if "everyone is suppose to emulate them", as if they are some "Symbol Model of American"
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    Every actions Trump engages with China, is about Trump... either about not getting what he personally wants, or to get what he personally wants for Trump Business... it has nothing to do with "Full International Relations, Trade and Commerce between the United States and China"... it is about Trump's vengeance for not being able to Trample in China created his "scam designed real estate deals" and try and use his trademarks to profit off of Chinese Labor.

    then, lo and behold, China’s approval of one of Trump’s trademark applications became official—coincidentally only a few days after Trump reversed his previous position and endorsed the “one China” policy. This policy effectively recognizes the People’s Republic of China as the legitimate government of the mainland territory while allowing the U.S. government to have unofficial relations with Taiwan, governed by the Republic of China. In March 2017, China granted preliminary approval for 38 additional Trump trademarks, applications for which had been submitted in April 2016. While there are conflicting views about whether the process and timing of Trump’s recent trademark approvals are suspect, the reality of the matter is that in China, every administrative or judicial decision is a political one based on the government’s preferences and priorities; courts in China are not independent, but rather they report directly to the CPC.
    This is why Trump said overtly, he liked the "un-educated"... because he knows they don't research, they don't engage critical thinking, they have short attention spans, and they fall for any promotion of anything by the usage of "belligerence and attack mentality".... His followers become like a "wild possee"... any time he "get on the stump to do a "Posse Call" with the Belligerence and Go Attack Something... Spews'

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    LOL. Both Obama and Biden were bought out by people and corporations heavily invested in China. Thus, "Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama and "The Chinese are good folks, folks" Biden are both stuffed shirt, anti-America liars.
    When will you leftists realize the slop the DNC dishes out is unadulterated crap?
    "In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

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    Re: It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpappy View Post
    LOL. Both Obama and Biden were bought out by people and corporations heavily invested in China. Thus, "Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama and "The Chinese are good folks, folks" Biden are both stuffed shirt, anti-America liars.
    When will you leftists realize the slop the DNC dishes out is unadulterated crap?
    Gawd. Know what I picture when I read your posts? Every intelligent conservative on this board looking at what you've written and saying to their screen, "Just shut the **** up!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealityNow View Post
    It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN, and see the "Undermining of America Democracy" by Republican Conservative Right Wing Confederacy Agenda.
    Your mistake is the presumption that Republicans alone are the great threat to out democracy.

    The great threat to our democrat republic is a disenfranchised, angry to the point of detachment, unconscious, electorate that refuses to educate itself (a good part of it has no idea how their government even works.... I mean they can’t even tell you the names of the three segments of government, how many Justices on the Supreme Court, things of that nature) and even if they have the basics aren’t actually informed on current events. Oh, they can regurgitate headline talking points of their tribe, but not speak in-depth in a balanced, well rounded, way on the topics of the day that suggests cohesive, critical, thinking was involved.

    What’s more, since our schools no longer teach civics or critical thinking I’m not sure that isn’t on purpose. I mean if you want to have an oligarchy parading around pretending to be a Constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives the first thing you’d have to do is dumb down the electorate to the point that they’d be so busy fighting amongst themselves they wouldn’t notice what the oligarchs were up to.
    The opinions expressed are my own. I am open to other's ideas expressed calmly, rationally and with more light than heat.

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    Re: It's Time For American Democracy Loving Citizens, to AWAKEN!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpappy View Post
    LOL. Both Obama and Biden were bought out by people and corporations heavily invested in China. Thus, "Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama and "The Chinese are good folks, folks" Biden are both stuffed shirt, anti-America liars.
    When will you leftists realize the slop the DNC dishes out is unadulterated crap?
    Another Standard, Republican Attempt At Deflection.... Geez!!! and your, "whatoboutisms"

    Trump in a position to profit from an individual—Xiao Yan Chen—who has ties to the highest echelons of the Chinese government and military and who would benefit enormously from access to the U.S. government. ((the Trump Organization sold a $15.8 million penthouse apartment in Trump Tower to Chinese-American business executive Xiao Yan Chen, who also goes by the name Angela Chen and has been directly linked to a front group for Chinese military intelligence through the misleadingly innocuous-sounding China Arts Foundation))

    Trump has been dependent on Chinese money for quite a while. According to an investigation by The New York Times, Trump holds 30 percent ownership of an office building in Manhattan at 1290 Avenue of the Americas, for which four lenders, including the state-owned Bank of China, provided a $950 million loan in 2012. Commenting on the loan, Richard Painter, George W. Bush’s chief White House ethics lawyer, stated, “Any payments from foreign governments or payments from banks controlled by foreign governments would fall under the emoluments clause. The loans from the Bank of China could be an issue.” The Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution makes it illegal for a U.S. president to directly benefit from payments from foreign powers.

    The reach of Chinese influence and money has also been linked to the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. In 2016, Kushner Companies, which until recently was headed by Jared Kushner, was desperate to find outside money to put into a property at 666 Fifth Avenue for which his company had paid $1.8 billion in 2007—an outlandish overpayment in light of the subsequent 2008 market crash. The Fifth Avenue property was badly overleveraged and risked collapsing Kushner’s entire company. Once again, Chinese money seemed eager to come to the rescue. Kushner began talks with the massive Chinese financial firm Anbang Insurance Group to undertake a joint venture to redevelop the Fifth Avenue property.
    This is not the late 1800's -1964 system or the Post-1964 through the Reagan Era System ... Where "white men could do anything they want, and attack anyone who called them out on it.... You old guys are trying to relive a past process.... and its making you demonstrate how unaware and uninformed your are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernDiogenes View Post
    Your mistake is the presumption that Republicans alone are the great threat to out democracy.

    The great threat to our democrat republic is a disenfranchised, angry to the point of detachment, unconscious, electorate that refuses to educate itself (a good part of it has no idea how their government even works.... I mean they can’t even tell you the names of the three segments of government, how many Justices on the Supreme Court, things of that nature) and even if they have the basics aren’t actually informed on current events. Oh, they can regurgitate headline talking points of their tribe, but not speak in-depth in a balanced, well rounded, way on the topics of the day that suggests cohesive, critical, thinking was involved.

    What’s more, since our schools no longer teach civics or critical thinking I’m not sure that isn’t on purpose. I mean if you want to have an oligarchy parading around pretending to be a Constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives the first thing you’d have to do is dumb down the electorate to the point that they’d be so busy fighting amongst themselves they wouldn’t notice what the oligarchs were up to.
    I've written many post on the DESPERATE NEED FOR CIVICS EDUCATION.... Civic's educated was damaged severely after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and it took a tremendous blow, during and after President Nixon's Ouster.
    People vote based on "TV Advertisements" and "Punditry" most have no idea what the issues are until they are buried behind the results of bills and measures that devastate them.
    Then they get hung up in "bluster and blame", belligerence and attacks... and never stop to "self review" and acknowledge they are themselves the make up of the blame for the conditions, and deterioration of our systems.

    Most of these Republican who go by Conservative, as well as some of these Democrats who claim to be Liberals, don't know what the post are speaking about... if they did, they'd have background info to contribute.
    Many come to this site to play... "One Up's on each other" with slap stick for the vanity of ego elation... I've seen over and over the string of "one liner's" and some can't even make a 50 alphabet one liner... they just utter anything of 'slap stick' that use to get them by in life... and it no longer works, so they get deeply anguished when they utter it, and their first thought is "grab a gun" scream about the Second Amendment.... and a litany of 'idiotic babbles" that make absolutely no relevant sense to anything, other than to identify their insidiousness... of which... they are unaware even it making such a declaration about them by their own utterances.

    That's why I ask ... why would such types run to a site that has the word "Debate" in is... but the interesting thing is how a mass number of people stay away from the site for the very fact it has the word "Debate"... and seek out site known for more memberships, spinning drama and one liner slap stick...

    America has to change or it will falter further... because the overt levels of generalized ignorance has insulted and embarrassed this nation on a Grand Scale..... Globally!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Gawd. Know what I picture when I read your posts? Every intelligent conservative on this board looking at what you've written and saying to their screen, "Just shut the **** up!"
    Haha. Well, I have a few likes.

    So your still voting for the globalists, huh? Very disappointing. But it's to be expected, I guess. Would you follow the DNC off a cliff?
    "In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Gawd. Know what I picture when I read your posts? Every intelligent conservative on this board looking at what you've written and saying to their screen, "Just shut the **** up!"
    The intelligent Conservatives may serve themselves better to read, and focus their effort to wake up the Un-intelligent Conservatives... The thing about intelligence, it does not duck and seek cover when points and factors are presented.... So... it might become an inquiry as to what is the level of "intelligence that your are referencing"...

    I'm not here to give anyone some " rubber ducky" to appease them, because they can't digest indulging to investigate and think and learn.... that's not a problem that I would care claim.. In America, ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE..

    All should WANT to be Self Responsible and Self Informed and Understand the Policies of the Era and those that will shape the future.. in how they utilize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealityNow View Post
    I've written many post on the DESPERATE NEED FOR CIVICS EDUCATION.... Civic's educated was damaged severely after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and it took a tremendous blow, during and after President Nixon's Ouster.
    People vote based on "TV Advertisements" and "Punditry" most have no idea what the issues are until they are buried behind the results of bills and measures that devastate them.
    Then they get hung up in "bluster and blame", belligerence and attacks... and never stop to "self review" and acknowledge they are themselves the make up of the blame for the conditions, and deterioration of our systems.

    Most of these Republican who go by Conservative, as well as some of these Democrats who claim to be Liberals, don't know what the post are speaking about... if they did, they'd have background info to contribute.
    Many come to this site to play... "One Up's on each other" with slap stick for the vanity of ego elation... I've seen over and over the string of "one liner's" and some can't even make a 50 alphabet one liner... they just utter anything of 'slap stick' that use to get them by in life... and it no longer works, so they get deeply anguished when they utter it, and their first thought is "grab a gun" scream about the Second Amendment.... and a litany of 'idiotic babbles" that make absolutely no relevant sense to anything, other than to identify their insidiousness... of which... they are unaware even it making such a declaration about them by their own utterances.

    That's why I ask ... why would such types run to a site that has the word "Debate" in is... but the interesting thing is how a mass number of people stay away from the site for the very fact it has the word "Debate"... and seek out site known for more memberships, spinning drama and one liner slap stick...

    America has to change or it will falter further... because the overt levels of generalized ignorance has insulted and embarrassed this nation on a Grand Scale..... Globally!!!
    Oh, I could post quotes from both Biden and Obama that prove my point. Nobody reads it, or if they do, they just can't believe it. The truth is out there, you just have to be able to see it.
    "In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

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