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Newly uncovered bombshell: Crowdstrike had no solid evidence Russians hacked the DNC computers

What was the justification for the Netherlands to hack Russia in or before 2014? Why isn't Russia complaining about the Netherlands' hack of cozy Bear, for example? What evidence is there that Cozy Bear hacked the DNC emails?...Your (whatever it is) says '...The building housed a <Russian> group running a hacking campaign now known as "Cozy Bear," one of the "threat groups" that would later target the Democratic National Committee.' Target doesn't mean hacked. It means attempted to hack at the most. You gotta link that says Cozy Bear hacked the DNC? You gotta link which says Putin was in on Cozy Bear?

Cozy bear and fancy bear are directly linked to Russian intelligence agencys, the Dutch had access to the group’s computers, and bloody caught them on camera.
 
Cozy bear and fancy bear are directly linked to Russian intelligence agencys, the Dutch had access to the group’s computers, and bloody caught them on camera.

What justification did the Netherlands intelligence have in hacking a part of the Russian intelligence network in 2014 or before? I mean, for examples, the Netherlands doesn't seem to have an ill-fated relationship with Russia (EDIT: the Netherlands doesn't seem to have an ill-fated relationship with anybody) nor is the Netherlands physically close to Russia.

What we know is true is Netherlands intelligence hacked Russian intelligence because the Netherlands admitted to it.

2ND EDIT: If the Netherlands hacked Russian intelligence, US intelligence should be wary of Netherlands intelligence hacking US intelligence because, it seems, the Netherlands intelligence hacks will-nilly.
 
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This is why the Dems deserve to seen as McCarthyites - they're literally building innuendo on top of innuendo - and it's not going to end well for them.

The media are the worst culprits in this, because they're supposed to be watchdogs against such corrupt tactics. But here they've been complicit, literally hand-in-glove with the McCarthyite voices.





Textbook example of McCarthyite tactics.

No, the problem with McCarthyism is that it persecuted people just for having a different economic or political ideology.

People who actively conspired with the Soviet Union, like the Rosenbergs, were traitors.

If you're actively promoting Russian disinformation and a Russian agenda then you're conspiring with our enemy. Those are genuine un-American activities.

Instead of being furious that Flynn is secretly talking to Russians, you're furious that our government was protecting our country. Yes, that's un-American.
 
What justification did the Netherlands have in hacking a part of the Russian intelligence network in 2014 or before? I mean, for example, the Netherlands doesn't seem to have an ill-fated relationship with Russia nor is the Netherlands physically close to Russia.

What we know is true is the Netherlands hacked Russian intelligence because the Netherlands admitted to it.

What is the Netherlands relationship with Russia??? Mmhhh let me think...

They oppose Russia’s illegal occupation of the Crimea, which is still ongoing.

163 Dutch nationals were amongst the dead on Malaysia airlines flight 17, which was shot down by Russian backed separatists in the Ukraine...

They oppose the conflict in the donbass region of eastern Ukraine, another conflict instigated by Russia...


I think the Dutch would rather swallow arsenic then consider themselves friends of russia
 
What is the Netherlands relationship with Russia??? Mmhhh let me think...

They oppose Russia’s illegal occupation of the Crimea, which is still ongoing.

163 Dutch nationals were amongst the dead on Malaysia airlines flight 17, which was shot down by Russian backed separatists in the Ukraine...

They oppose the conflict in the donbass region of eastern Ukraine, another conflict instigated by Russia...


I think the Dutch would rather swallow arsenic then consider themselves friends of russia

Then by this laundry list of slights by Russia, the Netherlands (or the US) should be haters or, at least, wary of every country?
 
No, the problem with McCarthyism is that it persecuted people just for having a different economic or political ideology.

So, hypothetically, if someone else were to call for a dialogue with Russia and a general reduction of hostilities with them, as part of their different economic or political ideology, then you could accept that as not being automatically treasonous.

People who actively conspired with the Soviet Union, like the Rosenbergs, were traitors.

If you're actively promoting Russian disinformation and a Russian agenda then you're conspiring with our enemy. Those are genuine un-American activities.

How do you differentiate between "promoting Russian disinformation and a Russian agenda" versus having a "different economic or political ideology"?

Instead of being furious that Flynn is secretly talking to Russians, you're furious that our government was protecting our country. Yes, that's un-American.

Flynn being the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency would have full understanding that the US govt records all conversations with Russian officials, including his own. So with that being the case, then why would he knowingly have an improper conversation with a Russian official, when he knows that his call is being automatically recorded?

The correct answer is that his call with the Russian official was not improper, and he knew that.
Another part of the correct answer is that those who hated Flynn because he had a "different economic or political ideology" decided to frame Flynn as a criminal using anything they could come up with.
First they tried to claim Flynn was having improper calls with Russians, then when that didn't work they tried to claiming Logan Act, and when that didn't work they just settled on "ask him some questions, look for a way to charge him with lying."

That's why your guys have been hopping from one totally different charge to another and to another. The goal was to get Flynn no matter what, on whatever charge/pretext they could contrive. If they could have somehow accused him of jogging through their construction site and shot him while claiming he threatened them, then they would have done that too.
 
Then by this laundry list of slights by Russia, the Netherlands (or the US) should be haters or, at least, wary of every country?

You are forgetting something important.

The Dutch are allies of the United States and up until recently we have shared common goals and values.

Russia has never been our allies, let alone deserving any sort of trust or shared sense of values. Until Vladimir Putin and his cabal of oligarchs are overthrown and replaced by a true representative government, I have no intention of giving Russia any inch, any trust, any benefit of the doubt. Russia is the enemy of western democracy and all that we stand for.

So I hope the Dutch hack Russia again.
 
So, hypothetically, if someone else were to call for a dialogue with Russia and a general reduction of hostilities with them, as part of their different economic or political ideology, then you could accept that as not being automatically treasonous.

Maybe if that person wasn't actively trying to build a tower in Moscow their motive wouldn't be so questionable. Otherwise, I wonder what possible relationship with Russia they envision while Russia is still actively occupying Ukraine. We don't have any deep economic ties with Russia. Why is there any need to ignore Russia's illegal annexation?

No rational explanation has been made about this Russia friendly foreign policy. It makes no sense for us to be supplying the Ukrainians with weapons to kill Russians while simultaneously trying to have friendlier relations with Russia.


How do you differentiate between "promoting Russian disinformation and a Russian agenda" versus having a "different economic or political ideology"?

A political or economic ideology is just a belief in what you think would be best for your country. You can't be a traitor for having a different economic or political ideology. Promoting Russian disinformation involves promoting lies being pushed by the former KGB agent who now leads Russia. Nobody doubts that Russia has used agents in the U.S. and even in Africa to spread disinformation and to stir conflict in NATO nations.


Flynn being the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency would have full understanding that the US govt records all conversations with Russian officials, including his own. So with that being the case, then why would he knowingly have an improper conversation with a Russian official, when he knows that his call is being automatically recorded?

That's like asking Why Nixon recorded all the criminal conversations he had. People do stupid things all the time. It's irrational to assume someone would not do something because it's stupid. People do stupid things.

If he wasn't doing anything improper, why did he lie about it? Why did Pence repeat that lie to the nation? Flynn didn't have to lie. He couldn't have refused to comment about the conversation. He knew that the Trump campaign was being investigated for it's dealings with Russia but he still lied.

Instead of being angry at Flynn for lying about conspiring with our enemy, you're angry at the loyal Americans who exposed it. It's plainly shameful and un-American.
 
Maybe if that person wasn't actively trying to build a tower in Moscow their motive wouldn't be so questionable.

Your argument is based on a false premise that Trump is a Russian stooge. Trump's built hotels/buildings all over the world.

Furthermore, I see others here on this forum claiming "don't do X, because Putin would want that" - so how does that allow space for "different economic and political beliefs"? It doesn't - and that's the whole purpose of such claims.


Otherwise, I wonder what possible relationship with Russia they envision while Russia is still actively occupying Ukraine. We don't have any deep economic ties with Russia. Why is there any need to ignore Russia's illegal annexation?

Ukraine is not an homogeneous country - the Eastern half of Ukraine looks and thinks very differently from the Western half of Ukraine - always has, including its large local-born Russian population. In the Eastern half, there is a large mixed population that looks more favorably upon Russia than upon Europe. The Western part staged a coup against the elected Yanukovych govt in Kiev, and declared dictatorship over the whole country, in complete disregard to the Eastern part and without any consultation with them, while declaring the local-born Russian minority to be aliens. Putin then reacted by sending troops into Eastern Ukraine, including Crimea, to prevent ethnic cleansing by the new dictatorship.


No rational explanation has been made about this Russia friendly foreign policy. It makes no sense for us to be supplying the Ukrainians with weapons to kill Russians while simultaneously trying to have friendlier relations with Russia.

You're very right - the United States should not be supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine - it has only been forced to do so by the dangerous Anti-Russia cult that's sprung up through the "Russia Collusion" inquisition hoax. The whole purpose of that hoax is to tie the hands of the new Whitehouse ("if you don't fight Russia, then it proves you're their stooge!")

That's why there's a special obsession with eliminating Flynn - because he had a "different political ideology" which involved seeking dialogue with Russia instead of trying to pursue hostility against Russia.
Flynn felt that the Cold War war against Moscow was obsolete, and that there were other newer threats that the United States ought to be paying more attention to.




A political or economic ideology is just a belief in what you think would be best for your country. You can't be a traitor for having a different economic or political ideology. Promoting Russian disinformation involves promoting lies being pushed by the former KGB agent who now leads Russia. Nobody doubts that Russia has used agents in the U.S. and even in Africa to spread disinformation and to stir conflict in NATO nations.

You're repeating false innuendo and then asserting it as "truth".
KGB? The KGB was loyal to the socialist ideology of the Soviet Socialist State - just like America's radical Left are only loyal to their crazy socialist fantasies.

America First is a political ideology held by those who believe it will be best for their country. This is the opposite of giving everything away your country has to everybody else for free. Whether you agree or disagree with that different economic and political ideology has no bearing on the right of people to believe in it.


That's like asking Why Nixon recorded all the criminal conversations he had. People do stupid things all the time. It's irrational to assume someone would not do something because it's stupid. People do stupid things.

That's an absurd comparison - Nixon recorded his conversations so that he could review them. Flynn wasn't the one recording the calls, and he'd certainly know they were being recorded.
Saying that "Flynn will do something crooked because that's what crooks do" is just a circular argument.



If he wasn't doing anything improper, why did he lie about it? Why did Pence repeat that lie to the nation? Flynn didn't have to lie. He couldn't have refused to comment about the conversation. He knew that the Trump campaign was being investigated for it's dealings with Russia but he still lied.

It's not clear that he lied about it - the notes taken by Strzok conveniently disaappeared, and his 302 form used as the basis for the charges was created weeks later (the original 302 has disappeared)
The only assertion that he lied is through the plea that was obtained by PLEA-BARGAINING (ie. "if you plead guilty to lying about Russia, then I won't prosecute you for this other thing that has nothing to do with Russia")
 
Instead of being angry at Flynn for lying about conspiring with our enemy, you're angry at the loyal Americans who exposed it. It's plainly shameful and un-American.

He didn't conspire with Russia - the FBI's own memo from January-4-2017 said so, and ordered the investigation to be shut down. It was only due to a clerical error that it wasn't shut down, and that gave Comey-Strzok-&-co the opportunity they needed to have Flynn questioned for no reason (other than a desire to nail him for having a different political ideology/worldview).
Flynn's constitutional rights were violated because of this.
 
He didn't conspire with Russia - the FBI's own memo from January-4-2017 said so, and ordered the investigation to be shut down. It was only due to a clerical error that it wasn't shut down, and that gave Comey-Strzok-&-co the opportunity they needed to have Flynn questioned for no reason (other than a desire to nail him for having a different political ideology/worldview).
Flynn's constitutional rights were violated because of this.

Flynn lied because he thought that if the American people know about Trump's campaign's secret negotiations with Russia, that it would hurt Trump politically. That's why Pence went on TV claiming Flynn never discussed sanctions with Kislyak.

Almost everyone surrounding Trump got in trouble for lying about the extent of their communication with Russians.

Now you want to convince us that there was nothing wrong with these communications that they so desperately tried to hide. Give it a break. You're wasting your time.
 
Flynn lied because he thought that if the American people know about Trump's campaign's secret negotiations with Russia, that it would hurt Trump politically. That's why Pence went on TV claiming Flynn never discussed sanctions with Kislyak.

Trump campaign has the right to discuss its policy positions with whomever cares to listen. That's absolutely not against the law. I'll point out that Democrat politicians campaigning for election have also been abroad and talked with others. This is nothing unique to the Trump campaign.

But Deep Staters including at FBI hate the policy positions of the Trump campaign, and want to get rid of Trump & co by any means necessary, whether fair or foul, whether by hook or by crook.

So they eavesdropped on Flynn under false pretexts, and then even when nothing turned up wrong (as confirmed by FBI Jan-4-2017 memo), they still tried to question Flynn as a last-minute gambit to screw him, hoping they could at least get him fired.

Deep State wants its own policy agenda to prevail no matter what, and this was their attempt at a coup d'etat. They felt that if they could nail Flynn, then they could parlay that into an expanding investigation that would allow them to nail President Trump and get rid of him too.

Coup d'etat is a fundamental breach of the constitution, and is treason.

I hope these bastards are charged with treason, even if they face the death penalty.

Almost everyone surrounding Trump got in trouble for lying about the extent of their communication with Russians.

Now you want to convince us that there was nothing wrong with these communications that they so desperately tried to hide. Give it a break. You're wasting your time.

Anyone who wins an election should be able to put in their preferred foreign policy priorities. Nobody at FBI gets a veto over US elections. If you're at FBI and somebody gets elected who you don't like, then tough luck - you don't get to inflict a coup d'etat - that's treason.
 
Russia did hack the DNC

Yes, that is what Hillary and her tech team first said and that is what all those without a clue blindly believed. From that lowly beginning look at what a monstrous house of lying walls of crap that inaccurate assumption has become.
 

What are American simpletons not being told by propaganda such as this?

1. No Russian hackers could possibly have been hacking the DNC beginning in summer 2014 in order to help Trump.

2. If Dutch intelligence had notified US intelligence of the hacking in 2014 then why was the FBI not told?

3. If the FBI knew of the hacking in 2014 then why did the FBI not inform Obama and the DNC?

4. If foreign intelligence warned the FBI that Russians were hacking Hillary's emails then why was Obama not concerned about her illegal private server?

5. If the hackers were supposedly in Russia when the DNC was hacked then why did the evidence show the emails were exfiltrated from somewhere on the East Coast of the US?


And the lack of Fact Checking by the deluded American media continues.
 
In other words, the Russians are innocent.

More KGB propaganda from the Putin party. Why doesn't Trump just choose Putin as his running mate?

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It genuinely sickens me how so many Americans have taken the side of our enemy because of their infatuation with a cult leader like Trump.

Who knows wheter any Russians are innocent or not? What does that have to do with the fact that neither the FBI, nor the NSA, nor the Obama administration, nor Mueller, nor Comey, nor Brennan, nor CrowdStrike have produced any real evidence the Russians hacked the DNC computers? Do they have any body of evidence on their lab tables that can be analyzed by scientists who can tell if the evidence is real or not? No, absolutely not.

Famous Russian tactic: If an American investigation gets too close to the truth then just claim they are spreading Russian lies and the deluded people will mock their own ionvestigators for reporting the facts because their leaders are calling the facts "Russian lies."
 
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This is why the Dems deserve to seen as McCarthyites - they're literally building innuendo on top of innuendo - and it's not going to end well for them.

The media are the worst culprits in this, because they're supposed to be watchdogs against such corrupt tactics. But here they've been complicit, literally hand-in-glove with the McCarthyite voices.

Textbook example of McCarthyite tactics.

Marxist members of the Democrat Communist Party USA have succeeded in building great support for comminism in America by calling American opponents of communism "McCarthyites."
 
Cozy bear and fancy bear are directly linked to Russian intelligence agencys, the Dutch had access to the group’s computers, and bloody caught them on camera.

Isn't that always the way it goes? The FBI called in CrowdStrike to find out who was hacking the DNC computers, even after testifying they had known about the hacking for more than a year before CrowdStrike was called upon to do their job for them. And now we find out that Dutch intelligence had done in two months what Mueller never could do in 3 years, which was to identify the hackers by name and address and confiscate their computers to give to federal investigators to find out who all was invoved in the illegal activity, including the names of any Americans involved.
 
No, the problem with McCarthyism is that it persecuted people just for having a different economic or political ideology.

People who actively conspired with the Soviet Union, like the Rosenbergs, were traitors.

If you're actively promoting Russian disinformation and a Russian agenda then you're conspiring with our enemy. Those are genuine un-American activities.

Instead of being furious that Flynn is secretly talking to Russians, you're furious that our government was protecting our country. Yes, that's un-American.

Flynn never secretly talked with Russians. What kind of stupid notion is that? There must have been two dozen Obama officials listening to his every word in every call, yet they found noting illegal or improper with any of his conversations.

It is treason to conspire with the Russians to do damage to the USA. That is why democrats were so desperate to hide the fact that their crooked Steele dossier was packed full of Russian lies and disinformation and used by democrats to undermine the legitimate elected government of the United States.
 
What is the Netherlands relationship with Russia??? Mmhhh let me think...

They oppose Russia’s illegal occupation of the Crimea, which is still ongoing.

163 Dutch nationals were amongst the dead on Malaysia airlines flight 17, which was shot down by Russian backed separatists in the Ukraine...

They oppose the conflict in the donbass region of eastern Ukraine, another conflict instigated by Russia...


I think the Dutch would rather swallow arsenic then consider themselves friends of russia

Brennan, on the other hand, like Bernie Sanders, found unity and comradeship with communism and Russia. Go figure.
 
Marxist members of the Democrat Communist Party USA have succeeded in building great support for comminism in America by calling American opponents of communism "McCarthyites."

And yet now the same Dems are disingenuously calling any opponents of theirs Russian stooges. One idiot (iguanaman?) even babbled that the fight against Moscow has always been a fight against "Russian white nationalism" - WTF?
I can't believe the guy typed that.
The moment the Russians stopped being exporters of communism worldwide, then suddenly Dems want to put them in their crosshairs. Huh - figures.
 
You are forgetting something important.

The Dutch are allies of the United States and up until recently we have shared common goals and values.

Russia has never been our allies, let alone deserving any sort of trust or shared sense of values. Until Vladimir Putin and his cabal of oligarchs are overthrown and replaced by a true representative government, I have no intention of giving Russia any inch, any trust, any benefit of the doubt. Russia is the enemy of western democracy and all that we stand for.

So I hope the Dutch hack Russia again.

We have a history of Americans who favored Russians and communism, including the likes of John Brennan, Bernie Sanders, Henry Ford, Lee Harvey Oswald, Chelsea Manning, Edward Kennedy, FDR and others.
 
Flynn never secretly talked with Russians. What kind of stupid notion is that? There must have been two dozen Obama officials listening to his every word in every call, yet they found noting illegal or improper with any of his conversations.

It is treason to conspire with the Russians to do damage to the USA. That is why democrats were so desperate to hide the fact that their crooked Steele dossier was packed full of Russian lies and disinformation and used by democrats to undermine the legitimate elected government of the United States.

Flynn lied about his meeting so it was a secret. Pence went on TV and lied to the nation and told everyone Flynn never discussed sanctions. He did. But now like some Soviet official you want to convince us that they had nothing to hide. Sorry, some of us can see through this kind of Soviet BS. The party cannot change the truth. It cannot make a lie the truth.

Ohhh, it's the Democrats who are conspiring with Russians. is that why Russia supports Donald Trump? Is that why Russia was giving money to the NRA? Is that why Russians hacked the DNC and released emails?

What happened to the Republican party? For all its faults it was once a deeply patriotic party. Now it's the tool of a KGB agent. It's just sad.

You're the kind of citizen, blindly loyal to his party, that makes authoritarian governments possible. You care more about the party than the truth.
 
We have a history of Americans who favored Russians and communism, including the likes of John Brennan, Bernie Sanders, Henry Ford, Lee Harvey Oswald, Chelsea Manning, Edward Kennedy, FDR and others.

They didn't favor Russians. You favor Russians. You favor authoritarianism and a government the lies to you.

Trump once again repeated the lie that he was Michigan man of the year. Is that true? Do you even recognize the truth anymore?
 
You are forgetting something important.

The Dutch are allies of the United States and up until recently we have shared common goals and values.

Russia has never been our allies, let alone deserving any sort of trust or shared sense of values. Until Vladimir Putin and his cabal of oligarchs are overthrown and replaced by a true representative government, I have no intention of giving Russia any inch, any trust, any benefit of the doubt. Russia is the enemy of western democracy and all that we stand for.

So I hope the Dutch hack Russia again.

The Dutch are allies with the EU...The Dutch remained neutral in WWII. Heck, the Dutch are allies to everyone (and no one).
 
Flynn lied about his meeting so it was a secret. Pence went on TV and lied to the nation and told everyone Flynn never discussed sanctions. He did. But now like some Soviet official you want to convince us that they had nothing to hide. Sorry, some of us can see through this kind of Soviet BS. The party cannot change the truth. It cannot make a lie the truth.

Ohhh, it's the Democrats who are conspiring with Russians. is that why Russia supports Donald Trump? Is that why Russia was giving money to the NRA? Is that why Russians hacked the DNC and released emails?

What happened to the Republican party? For all its faults it was once a deeply patriotic party. Now it's the tool of a KGB agent. It's just sad.

You're the kind of citizen, blindly loyal to his party, that makes authoritarian governments possible. You care more about the party than the truth.

Let's suppose Flynn said he did not talk with the ambassador when he had talked with him. Did he forget he had taken the call? Maybe, but we don't know. What we do know is that neither the call was out of line nor was the content of the call out of line. No wonder the FBI initially said they did not think he lied. It seems crystal clear the FBI was trying to trap in a lie so they could destroy him for some purpose, making the whole thing a set up which created a crime which was not really a significant crime at all.
 
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