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Yovanovitch lied to Congress so Trump could be impeached

Wait... you don't know about the diamond prosecutor scandal?

Look it up.. it is fascinating.

I am aware of the names of dozens of Ukrainians now or formerly in politics and in their justice system who witnesses on every hand say are corrupt. Apparently there is not a prosperous justice official, businessman, or politician in Ukraine who does not have lots of people accusing him or her of corruption. Sure, there were those who accused Shokin of being involved with the mysterious cache of diamonds, but apparently Shokin was never charged in any of that even after he was replaced by a supposedly honest prosecutor. How do you explain that? Is Shokin innocent? Is that why he was never charged? Or must we assume his guilt because he has been accused of the crime by democrats who have proven they don't give a damn about the rule of law and presumptions of innocence in the absence of convictions?
 
I am aware of the names of dozens of Ukrainians now or formerly in politics and in their justice system who witnesses on every hand say are corrupt. Apparently there is not a prosperous justice official, businessman, or politician in Ukraine who does not have lots of people accusing him or her of corruption. Sure, there were those who accused Shokin of being involved with the mysterious cache of diamonds, but apparently Shokin was never charged in any of that even after he was replaced by a supposedly honest prosecutor. How do you explain that? Is Shokin innocent? Is that why he was never charged? Or must we assume his guilt because he has been accused of the crime by democrats who have proven they don't give a damn about the rule of law and presumptions of innocence in the absence of convictions?

For some reason a guy caught up in an actual corruption scandal in a super corrupt country more trustworthy than a former Vice President of the US.

So very weird.
 
We have it on Lutsenko's word.

Lutsenko is in the pocket of Kilimnik.

He is not trustworthy.

Democrat story line: 'Dear honest, innocent, abused Ambassador Yovanovitch was meanly mistreated by a whole lying corrupt gang of Ukrainians and Americans, including the new Ukrainian President, Prosecutor Lutsenko who Biden had appointed to take Shokin's place, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, President Trump, AG Bill Barr, Rudy Guiliani, Rep. Jim Jordan, Rep. David Nunes, Shaun Hannity, Kellyanne Conway, and a gazillion other crooks and thugs.'
 
For some reason a guy caught up in an actual corruption scandal in a super corrupt country more trustworthy than a former Vice President of the US.

So very weird.

No, you got it wrong. A crooked former Vice President has proven he is not to be trusted over a good President currently leading this country out of the corrupted communist morass left by his predecessor.
 
Should this liar and crook go to jail, especially after the way Stone was arrested in the middle of the night and cast into jail and into a kangaroo court tried by Trump-hating leftist lawyers before a Trump-hating leftist judge and jury who sought to jail him for 10 years for doing the same thing - lying to Congress?

Yovanovitch, for instance, was specifically warned in an email by her top deputy in September 2016 — three years before her testimony — that Burisma had hired an American firm with deep Democratic connections called Blue Star Strategies to “rehabilitate the reputation” of the Ukrainian gas firm and that it had placed “Hunter Biden on its board,” the memos show.

She also met directly with a representative for Burisma in her embassy office, less than 45 days before Trump took office, a contact she did not mention during her impeachment deposition.

The discussions about Burisma inside Yovanovitch’s embassy were so extensive, in fact, that they filled more than 160 pages of emails, memos and correspondence in fall 2016 alone, according to the State Department records obtained under FOIA by the conservative group Citizens United.


Impeachment Boomerang: Contacts exposed between US embassy, Hunter Biden-connected Ukraine firm | Just The News

Should Flynn be jailed for lying to two low level FBI plants about a conversation which was not wrong and this ambassador from the Obama administratyion go free after what she did to President Trump and the United States of America? I hardly think so.

Probably. She will be defended to the death however. Anything is justified trying to take out Trump for them.


If you recall the collective leftist reaction at moving towards a relevant bill of rights...



Democrats havent been so mad since the last time republicans took their slaves away.
 
Democrat story line: 'Dear honest, innocent, abused Ambassador Yovanovitch was meanly mistreated by a whole lying corrupt gang of Ukrainians and Americans, including the new Ukrainian President, Prosecutor Lutsenko who Biden had appointed to take Shokin's place, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, President Trump, AG Bill Barr, Rudy Guiliani, Rep. Jim Jordan, Rep. David Nunes, Shaun Hannity, Kellyanne Conway, and a gazillion other crooks and thugs.'

Well that is a bunch of gibberish.

I am still baffled as to why a dude who was a super corrupt prosecutor caught up in a corruption scandal in a super corrupt country is a trustworthy source.
 
No, you got it wrong. A crooked former Vice President has proven he is not to be trusted over a good President currently leading this country out of the corrupted communist morass left by his predecessor.

Yeah... this is not a serious conversation.
 
First off, the primary FBI Agent on the Flynn interview was Bill Priestap. At the time of the interview, he was Assistant Director of the FBI for Counterintelligence, so I'd hardly consider him to be a "low level FBI plant".

Secondly, if you're going to accuse Ambassador Yovanovitch of lying to Congress, you ought to at least post one direct quotation from her testimony and then cite the evidence supporting your assertion. Anything short of this is just more baseless slander and deliberate misinformation on your part.

Since you have not been follow this story.

"Marie Yovanovitch testified to Congress that she knew little beyond an initial briefing and “press reports” about Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian natural gas firm that had hired Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter and was dogged by a corruption investigation."

"newly unearthed State Department memos obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show Yovanovitch’s embassy in Kiev, including the ambassador herself, was engaged in several discussions and meetings about Burisma as the gas firm scrambled during the 2016 election and transition to settle a long-running corruption investigation and polish its image before President Trump took office."

"The discussions about Burisma inside Yovanovitch’s embassy were so extensive, in fact, that they filled more than 160 pages of emails, memos and correspondence in fall 2016 alone, according to the State Department records obtained under FOIA"

"“What do you know about the investigation of Burisma?” Yovanovitch was asked at one point during her October testimony.

“Not very much. And, again, that happened before I arrived,” she testified. “… Burisma wasn’t a big issue in the fall of 2018 — 2016 when I arrived.”

“Were you aware at that time of Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma?” she was asked at another point.

“Yes. As I mentioned, I became aware during the Q&A in the prep for my testimony,” she answered."

Months of communications, meetings, and hand delivered letters. *Poof* All gone from memory. God bless her and lets hope Alzheimers gets cured and soon.
 
Since you have not been follow this story.

"Marie Yovanovitch testified to Congress that she knew little beyond an initial briefing and “press reports” about Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian natural gas firm that had hired Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter and was dogged by a corruption investigation."

"newly unearthed State Department memos obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show Yovanovitch’s embassy in Kiev, including the ambassador herself, was engaged in several discussions and meetings about Burisma as the gas firm scrambled during the 2016 election and transition to settle a long-running corruption investigation and polish its image before President Trump took office."

"The discussions about Burisma inside Yovanovitch’s embassy were so extensive, in fact, that they filled more than 160 pages of emails, memos and correspondence in fall 2016 alone, according to the State Department records obtained under FOIA"

"“What do you know about the investigation of Burisma?” Yovanovitch was asked at one point during her October testimony.

“Not very much. And, again, that happened before I arrived,” she testified. “… Burisma wasn’t a big issue in the fall of 2018 — 2016 when I arrived.”

“Were you aware at that time of Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma?” she was asked at another point.

“Yes. As I mentioned, I became aware during the Q&A in the prep for my testimony,” she answered."

Months of communications, meetings, and hand delivered letters. *Poof* All gone from memory. God bless her and lets hope Alzheimers gets cured and soon.

Exactly a dirty scumbag liar like most of them. It is hilarious watching people jump through hoops defending scum.
 
No, not everybody wanted Shokin out. However, we do know those who had a motive to shut down the Burisma investigation wanted Shokin out and we do know those crooks who wanted the investigation shut down were passing some serious money around to get others on board with that effort to shut down the investigation. If you don't believe me then name just one person, by name, who went on record wanting Shokin out for dragging his feet and then went on record complaining about the fact that Joe Biden paid big money to get the investigation shut down entirely.

What are you even talking about?? "Joe Biden paid big money to get the investigation shut down entirely" <----- That's just not reality.
 
Since you have not been follow this story.

"Marie Yovanovitch testified to Congress that she knew little beyond an initial briefing and “press reports” about Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian natural gas firm that had hired Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter and was dogged by a corruption investigation."

"newly unearthed State Department memos obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show Yovanovitch’s embassy in Kiev, including the ambassador herself, was engaged in several discussions and meetings about Burisma as the gas firm scrambled during the 2016 election and transition to settle a long-running corruption investigation and polish its image before President Trump took office."

"The discussions about Burisma inside Yovanovitch’s embassy were so extensive, in fact, that they filled more than 160 pages of emails, memos and correspondence in fall 2016 alone, according to the State Department records obtained under FOIA"

"“What do you know about the investigation of Burisma?” Yovanovitch was asked at one point during her October testimony.

“Not very much. And, again, that happened before I arrived,” she testified. “… Burisma wasn’t a big issue in the fall of 2018 — 2016 when I arrived.”

“Were you aware at that time of Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma?” she was asked at another point.

“Yes. As I mentioned, I became aware during the Q&A in the prep for my testimony,” she answered."

Months of communications, meetings, and hand delivered letters. *Poof* All gone from memory. God bless her and lets hope Alzheimers gets cured and soon.

When she said "I became aware during the Q&A in the prep for my testimony", she was talking about her testimony for the confirmation hearings for the Ambassadorship. Obviously she's not going to be getting e-mails as Ambassador before she actually became the Ambassador. I'm pretty sure that if the e-mail server at the State Department was so good that it was able to receive e-mails from the future, then maybe Secretary Clinton would have availed herself of it more often.
 
I have never met Hunter Biden, nor have I had any direct or indirect conversations with him. And although I have met former Vice President Biden several times over the course of our many years in government, neither he nor the previous Administration ever, directly or indirectly, raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me

Yavonobitch opening statement to congress! Eat that and prove she didn't lie.
 
Well that is a bunch of gibberish.

I am still baffled as to why a dude who was a super corrupt prosecutor caught up in a corruption scandal in a super corrupt country is a trustworthy source.

You have to accept the fact that at some point you cannot keep saying everyone in Ukraine which does not go along with democrat propaganda and wheeling-dealing is a liar. Some of these Ukrainians are being falsely accused by crooks in American politics and are not guilty of what the American crooks say they are.
 
What are you even talking about?? "Joe Biden paid big money to get the investigation shut down entirely" <----- That's just not reality.

Let me break it down for you. Which of these statements are you saying is untrue:

1. Biden told Poroshenko to fire Shokin.
2. Biden threatened Poroshenko that he would not get a $billion dollars in promised American aid if he did not do as he was told.
3. Poroshenko fired Shokin.
4. After Shokin was fired the Ukrainian investigation into Burisma was shut down.
5. Biden never went back after the investigation and threatened to withhold the money longer if Poroshenko did not get the investigation going again.

The known facts contradict Biden's self-serving dishonest narrative about supposedly wanting Burisma investigated better than was being done by Shokin.
 
When she said "I became aware during the Q&A in the prep for my testimony", she was talking about her testimony for the confirmation hearings for the Ambassadorship. Obviously she's not going to be getting e-mails as Ambassador before she actually became the Ambassador. I'm pretty sure that if the e-mail server at the State Department was so good that it was able to receive e-mails from the future, then maybe Secretary Clinton would have availed herself of it more often.

You need to try to understand the facts - all of them, not just portions which have been twisted by democrat propagandists to push their dishonest narrative. We know Yanovitch not only knew about the Biden/Burisma corruption but she did what she could to shut down Ukrainian investigations into Burisma corruption. We know this because the Ukrainian prosecutor who took Shokin's place after Joe Biden had him fired, Yuriy Lutsenko, testified that Ms. Yovanovitch had told him that prosecuting Americans in Ukraine was off-limits. But, to be honest, Ms. Yovanovitch claimed Lutsenko was lying. How convenient. Here is what she said: As for events during my tenure in Ukraine, I want to -- to reiterate that the allegation that I dissemionated a do-not-prosecute list was a falsehood.

Someone is lying, because both claims cannot be true. Or maybe she just told Lutsenko not to prosecute but never gave him a list. We many never know. So how can we sort the truth from the lie? She kept talking about US policy and US interests as though it should be assumed that investigating American corruption in Ukraine was wrong and against US policy. But she was wrong. Trump wanted Ukraine to continue investigating Burisma in spite of Burisma's long connection with the Biden family and politicians in DC. Yovanovitch did not see it that way, so she criticized President Zelensky, his prosecutors, Rudy Guiliani, the State Department and others for suppoisedly fouling up the works, something Schiff was expounding on in his effort to illegally and dishonestly impeach Trump.

Schiff used Yovanovitch's testimony to build a dishonest case against Trump, but those who bought into his nonsense were stupid to do so. Yovanovitch was not in charge, Trump was. There was no policy but what Trump said it was. She whined about those interested in pursuing investigations into Burisma as enemies of America who "succeeded in orchestrating the removal of a U.S. ambassador." Big whoop. What about the crooks orchestrating to remove the duly elected President of the United States?
 
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Democrats, the party of the miserable, hateful, disgruntled loser who wishes horrible evils on all his opponents. Don't just arrest an enemy for an alleged minor crime, send in armed troops with guns blazing. And so forth.

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Oh, tough titty. The toughest tittie. No other tittie tougher. Lots of people are saying they have never seen a tittie as tough.

trump is a worthless POS.

I hope he dies cold and alone in a gutter.

And you think shots were fired during Stone's arrest?
 
You have to accept the fact that at some point you cannot keep saying everyone in Ukraine which does not go along with democrat propaganda and wheeling-dealing is a liar. Some of these Ukrainians are being falsely accused by crooks in American politics and are not guilty of what the American crooks say they are.

Falsely accused.

The things people tell themselves.

Amazing.
 
I take it you prefer a kinder, gentler, more soothing message to a wider array of God-rejecting sinners. I'm afraid too many messengers from God have not been well received by the world.

Yahweh is a douche who nobody would ever invite to their home twice.

Petty, vindictive, needy. Pretty much all of the negative superlatives.

A characature of the worst in mankind to justify men acting the same.
 
For some reason a guy caught up in an actual corruption scandal in a super corrupt country more trustworthy than a former Vice President of the US.

So very weird.

Wanna hear something about Shokin's firing?
You're not gonna like it.
'despite the fact that we didn't have any corruption charges on [Shokin], and we don't have any information about him doing something wrong, I asked him to resign,'
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Wanna hear something about Shokin's firing?
You're not gonna like it.
'despite the fact that we didn't have any corruption charges on [Shokin], and we don't have any information about him doing something wrong, I asked him to resign,'
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I would love to see the US transcripts of those calls that were released yesterday before I believe them.

I am not saying that it isn't real... just that in these days it is good to seek confirmation of any audio that is leaked.
 
I would love to see the US transcripts of those calls that were released yesterday before I believe them.

I am not saying that it isn't real... just that in these days it is good to seek confirmation of any audio that is leaked.

I said you wouldn't like it ... I didn't say you'd believe it.
But what if it's true? What then?
 
Good to hear.
But would you modify anything else?

I would like confirmation that this is real.

It was released by Derkach who was aligned with Yanukovich was also pro-Russian and linked to Russian Intelligence.

He is the same guy who is one of the progenitors of the Burisma/Biden accusation.

I don't think that his word is credible. But if there is evidence from the US that backs this up as real, then all of the stuff about the diamond prosecutors including a dead jeweler and protests in front of Shokin's house calling for him to step down was fake.

That seems unlikely.
 
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