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Trump aide denied campaign rigging in pre-election conversation with FBI secret source: transcript

Grim17 said:
Yes they did have an obligation to include that information in their applications. This isn't a regular court, this is the FISA court and they require the FBI to submit the evidence they have on both sides of the argument so that the judge can decide if a warrant is applicable.
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The FISA court most definitely does not require the FBI to present all information they have. For one thing, it has to be relevant. A suspect denying something he is being investigated of is not relevant. Only admissions are relevant. (Hell, if this were a jury trial and the defense tried to offer information that the defendant denied committing the crime, you'd have at least half the room cracking up in hysterics)

In contrast, potential bias is relevant. They revealed potential bias in the Steele Dossier. And since the FISA court is unlike other courts, it actually goes back and forth with the investigators until it feels it has all the information it needs. So even though the Lutherf's of the world tried to spin the bias of the Steele Dossier, the bottom line is that the FISA court knew and would have requested more specific information if they deemed it relevant.

Like everything Trumpists say in his defense, Lutherf is telling stupid lies about something entirely outside his field of expertise. And because his ultimate goal lines up with yours, you're backing it up.
 
Grim17 said:
Yes they did have an obligation to include that information in their applications. This isn't a regular court, this is the FISA court and they require the FBI to submit the evidence they have on both sides of the argument so that the judge can decide if a warrant is applicable.

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Carter Page was the target of the FISA applications what does Pappadopulous have to with that?
 
Mr Person said:
It's so moronic how they just keep going over the same old ****.

Strozk! Strozk! Strozk! Well, yeah, but he was removed right away and any bias he harbored had no effect on how they proceeded with the investigation. It's all idiotic distractions and lies with these people.
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yeah, i know. but Rush and Sean burned this story into their brains and it's there for good.

integrity be damned.
 
Mr Person said:
The FISA court most definitely does not require the FBI to present all information they have. For one thing, it has to be relevant. A suspect denying something he is being investigated of is not relevant. Only admissions are relevant. (Hell, if this were a jury trial and the defense tried to offer information that the defendant denied committing the crime, you'd have at least half the room cracking up in hysterics)

In contrast, potential bias is relevant. They revealed potential bias in the Steele Dossier. And since the FISA court is unlike other courts, it actually goes back and forth with the investigators until it feels it has all the information it needs. So even though the Lutherf's of the world tried to spin the bias of the Steele Dossier, the bottom line is that the FISA court knew and would have requested more specific information if they deemed it relevant.

Like everything Trumpists say in his defense, Lutherf is telling stupid lies about something entirely outside his field of expertise. And because his ultimate goal lines up with yours, you're backing it up.
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According to Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Their testing of FISA applications identified apparent errors or inadequately supported facts in all of the 25 applications they reviewed.

They have identified an average of about 20 issues per application reviewed, with a high of approximately 65 issues in one application alone.

In those 25 applications, the review identified facts that were not supported or not corroborated by documentation in the file, or they were inconsistent with the supporting documentation.

Meaning, they just lied about it in 25 applications for FISA warrants.

DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz recently identified in a scathing public report numerous mistakes and omissions in the warrant used against Page that launched the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
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The unidentified FBI lawyer in question has since resigned his post, and the Horowitz report said he faces possible criminal prosecution.

FISA court judge demands info about FBI lawyer linked to Carter Page warrant | Fox News

Sounds to me like they lied about their applications. But I am sure you can find a way to twist into something else.
 
US&THEM said:
Where was there corruption? A fbi lawyer erased a line on the email and was caught doing it. They found the guy and he will be charged.
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this is why you lose. it was just a lawyer it was the entire investigation team. not only thar but it was spread out in at least 26 other cases where the fbi lied. including 4 cases where they couldn't even produce the records as they didn'y have any.

you might think being obtuse is an argument but it is why you lose this discussion just like the last one.

so why do you support lying perjury and gross negligence to the point of criminal neglect from an fbi agency?

they are supposed to enforce the law not break it.
 
US&THEM said:
Carter Page was the target of the FISA applications what does Pappadopulous have to with that?
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they lied about papadopoulos. that is what.
you not reading the op is why you lose.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Are you kidding me? Papo was convicted for lying to the FBI. Why would you believe one man when they have evidence of over 100 meetings between his campaign and Russians? Papo is as strange as Page.

And don't forget what happened to the 18 or so cases Mueller sent off to different prosecutors offices. Barr came to town and it all went away. In fact they buried it so well, most people don't even remember. I would highly suggest taking the time to read Volume I of the Mueller report and stop watching Fox propaganda.

Durham got ZIP.
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The investigation was with regard to conspiracy to use Russians to coordinate attacks against the Clinton campaign. Meeting with Russians (and everyone else in the world) during a campaign is part of the deal. Everyone wants to know where you stand and plead their case for your good graces should you be elected and that is definitely NOT illegal.
 
ludin said:
this is why you lose. it was just a lawyer it was the entire investigation team. not only thar but it was spread out in at least 26 other cases where the fbi lied. including 4 cases where they couldn't even produce the records as they didn'y have any.

you might think being obtuse is an argument but it is why you lose this discussion just like the last one.

so why do you support lying perjury and gross negligence to the point of criminal neglect from an fbi agency?

they are supposed to enforce the law not break it.
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No just watch and be disappointed.
 
The AntiDonald said:
For the last time, the attorney that lied has been fired as he should. Who was it that approved all those warrants and who was he appointed by? Enough said.
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for the umpteenth time it wasn't one lawyer it was the entire unit.

did you not read the OP?

the entire investigation was corrupt from top to bottom. they all lied and withheld evidence. all of which is criminal.

they failed to verify information and excluded information that would damage their case. that is perjury.

it was more than 1 lawyer it started with comey and mcCabe and on down.

why do you support corruption? you rant and rave about it enough.
 
ludin said:
they lied about papadopoulos. that is what.
you not reading the op is why you lose.
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Oh ok so he will be able to overturn his conviction? He and Flynn? Wait and be disappointed. Suckers
 
US&THEM said:
No just watch and be disappointed.
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i am disappointed in that you rant and rave about corruption but here you are supporting it.

it says more about you than me and frankly it is pretty disgusting but i expect that from leftist.

yes i am disappointed that our government has fallen to such a low point.
 
ludin said:
i am disappointed in that you rant and rave about corruption but here you are supporting it.

it says more about you than me and frankly it is pretty disgusting but i expect that from leftist.

yes i am disappointed that our government has fallen to such a low point.
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You want there to be corruption too explain how Trump surrounded himself with absolute buffoons and criminals.
 
ludin said:
for the umpteenth time it wasn't one lawyer it was the entire unit.

did you not read the OP?

the entire investigation was corrupt from top to bottom. they all lied and withheld evidence. all of which is criminal.

they failed to verify information and excluded information that would damage their case. that is perjury.

it was more than 1 lawyer it started with comey and mcCabe and on down.

why do you support corruption? you rant and rave about it enough.
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Don't you know, democratic corruption is okay....it's what they do.
 
redbeer said:
Don't you know, democratic corruption is okay....it's what they do.
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Cohen, Manafort, Papadapolous and Flynn what patriots.

Oops forgot Roger Stone.
 
ludin said:
lying to federal courts is a fbi tactic?
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You misunderstood my post. Big surprise.

Using an informant to reach out is a very common investigative technique.



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roughdraft274 said:
You misunderstood my post. Big surprise.

Using an informant to reach out is a very common investigative technique.

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hacking my post is typical dishonesty.
I understood your post just fine.

It actually proofs a whole to more than you think.

1. YOu guys claimed there was no spying that turned out to be false the FBI was spying on the trump campaign.
2. You guys claimed that they had all of this evidence. According to what we know they didn't have bunk.
in fact they had less than bunk.

In order to get a warrant the FBI from their leadership Comey and McCabe to the people working on the case had to lie
in order to get a warrant. that would invalidate any warrant that they had and all the cases in which they conducted
interviews with trump campaign officials is now invalidated.

in fact the FISA court wants more information and could issue other rulings.
now the bigger question is why do you support such corruption when you rant and rave about corruption on a regular basis?

The FBI has an even bigger issue since out of just 26 cases they looked at there were errors that would have resulted in no warrants given.
Not only that but the FBI didn't even have 4 of the cases that they told the courts they had.

This isn't someone misspelling someone's name. this is criminal negligence at this point.
 
US&THEM said:
You want there to be corruption too explain how Trump surrounded himself with absolute buffoons and criminals.
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He has fired most of them.
your deflection is noted.

you support corruption as long as it falls i line with your political views i find it pretty disgusting.
 
ludin said:
He has fired most of them.
your deflection is noted.

you support corruption as long as it falls i line with your political views i find it pretty disgusting.
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The corrupt criminals who were charged and have either plead guilty or were found guilty in court all get a pass because Trump may have fired them first? Wow you only care about fake corruption if it helps your Trump narrative.

Did Trump fire Cohen? Do you remember Cohens’s job for the last 10-15 years?
 
ludin said:
I understood your post just fine.
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If you did I wouldn't have had to explain it to you. If you don't get it after my very simple and plainly worded correction, I'm not sure it's worth my time to try to explain again.
 
roughdraft274 said:
If you did I wouldn't have had to explain it to you. If you don't get it after my very simple and plainly worded correction, I'm not sure it's worth my time to try to explain again.
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I have no problem if they scrap the FISA courts. The Trumpers only support law enforcement when they think they are in line with them. After watching the Barr interview it easy to understand why the base feels this way, Barr is a political hack.
 
roughdraft274 said:
If you did I wouldn't have had to explain it to you. If you don't get it after my very simple and plainly worded correction, I'm not sure it's worth my time to try to explain again.
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the fact you can't quote me properly is why you lose.
you didn't have to explain anything i understood your post.

what you don't seem to understand is that it is illegal to spy on a presidential campaign.
it is illegal to lie to a court of law.
the warrants they received were illegal and therefore violated the 4th amendment.

your support of these actions is what i put into question.
 
ludin said:
the fact you can't quote me properly is why you lose.
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You're using excuses to try to explain why you lied/misunderstood regarding what I claimed. I don't have to quote you they way you want, and I could give a damn as to what you want. I'm not responding to the rest of your posts because the entire thing is based on your false understanding. Until you can fix that then there's no reason to respond to you other than to point out you are misunderstanding/lying.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You're using excuses to try to explain why you lied/misunderstood regarding what I claimed. I don't have to quote you they way you want, and I could give a damn as to what you want. I'm not responding to the rest of your posts because the entire thing is based on your false understanding. Until you can fix that then there's no reason to respond to you other than to point out you are misunderstanding/lying.
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Nope i understood your post just fine.
no matter how much you want to claim otherwise.
if you can't quote someone properly then you are simply not interested in honest discussion.

that fact you continue to support this level of corruption is more on you than it is me.
There was no false understanding you are simply using that as an excuse to not have to defend your
support of the FBI corruption.


you know it is wrong but you are so trump triggered you just can't admit to it.
so your concession is noted.

have a nice day.
 
veritas1 said:
They doctored the evidence to suit their agenda. When you are trying to bring off a coup, exculpatory evidence has to go.
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Democrats refuse to see the horrific implications of the leftist liberal government officials' illegal corruption and abuse of political power to further their own anti-American goals and agenda. Russians suffered under czars, but their suffering was many times worse under their brutal communist leaders. The fact that socialists in America don't mind breaking laws to further their socialist agenda in America is proof they are promoting a great evil whether they understand that fact or not.
 
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