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The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

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There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.

Our nation's doctors have seen and heard enough to believe that hydroxychloroquine is a game changer in the fight against COVID-19. Katie reported on a new survey from Jackson & Coker that showed an overwhelming majority of doctors would prescribe hydroxychloroquine or another anti-malaria drug to a family member suffering from coronavirus. The survey questioned 1,271 doctors in 50 states.

"Sixty-five percent of physicians across the United States said they would prescribe the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine to treat or prevent COVID-19 in a family member," the survey read. "Only 11 percent said they would not use the drug at all."
Survey Shows Overwhelming Majority of Doctors Would Prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to a Family Member With Wuhan Coronavirus
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Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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Nice job! "corrupt liberal MSM" appears 4 times in five lines! I hope you have a shortcut for that term - time saver.

Just a FWIW, not that it matters to you, but a survey of doctors about whether they'd take or give the drug isn't evidence that the drug combo is effective. Bottom line is we don't yet know whether it's effective at all, and/or more or less effective than the many other drugs also in clinical trials, including several HIV drugs and their cousins. It's gotten a lot more media attention, and it's widely available, and for most people it's pretty safe, so a doctor willing to try something he or she can probably obtain in the absence of other meds is rational enough, but that's not evidence of any kind it works, much less is the miracle cure that some people are suggesting.
 
Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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What a wonderful way to telegraph that you are about to regurgitate propaganda. You even bolded it for us! Thanks.
 
JasperL said:
Nice job! "corrupt liberal MSM" appears 4 times in five lines! I hope you have a shortcut for that term - time saver.

Just a FWIW, not that it matters to you, but a survey of doctors about whether they'd take or give the drug isn't evidence that the drug combo is effective. Bottom line is we don't yet know whether it's effective at all, and/or more or less effective than the many other drugs also in clinical trials, including several HIV drugs and their cousins. It's gotten a lot more media attention, and it's widely available, and for most people it's pretty safe, so a doctor willing to try something he or she can probably obtain in the absence of other meds is rational enough, but that's not evidence of any kind it works, much less is the miracle cure that some people are suggesting.
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maybe not, but why widely oppose its use like the MSM when it COULD help people? Trump bad?
 
JasperL said:
Nice job! "corrupt liberal MSM" appears 4 times in five lines! I hope you have a shortcut for that term - time saver.

Just a FWIW, not that it matters to you, but a survey of doctors about whether they'd take or give the drug isn't evidence that the drug combo is effective. Bottom line is we don't yet know whether it's effective at all, and/or more or less effective than the many other drugs also in clinical trials, including several HIV drugs and their cousins. It's gotten a lot more media attention, and it's widely available, and for most people it's pretty safe, so a doctor willing to try something he or she can probably obtain in the absence of other meds is rational enough, but that's not evidence of any kind it works, much less is the miracle cure that some people are suggesting.
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One of the reasons that we can't know (by law/rule) whether such treatments are (or are not) effective for COVID-19 is that the 'certification' process often takes years. What we can (and should) know is whether those taking a prescription drug for it's currently approved uses are experiencing greatly different hospitalization and/or death rates from COVID-19 exposure.

We have a control group (most people) and we have a well defined group of folks taking these prescription drugs for other reasons. Some of those "experts" talking about making "data driven" responses might at least examine that available data before falling back on we have no way of knowing (without looking at data).
 
Hypothetical said:
maybe not, but why widely oppose its use like the MSM when it COULD help people? Trump bad?
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That's not how medicine or science works. We don't decide the effectiveness of a treatment based on Trump's whims. Trump is not a doctor. If it is a scientifically legit treatment for covid it will be tested and recommended by actual professionals.

The criticism here is that Trump shouldn't be recommending medicines, doctors and scientists should be and it should be scientifically sound. You intentionally mischarachterized that because you have an agenda.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's not how medicine or science works. We don't decide the effectiveness of a treatment based on Trump's whims. Trump is not a doctor. If it is a scientifically legit treatment for covid it will be tested and recommended by actual professionals.

The criticism here is that Trump shouldn't be recommending medicines, doctors and scientists should be and it should be scientifically sound. You intentionally mischarachterized that because you have an agenda.
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Here is why I differ from Fauci on this. By definition we can't have a drug approved by the FDA for a brand new disease. So he as a rigid bureaucrat refuses to sign off on the drug does. My sense is your point is more political than scientific.

That being said we are in a race to save lives. We have cratered the economy to do just that. We do have anecdotal evidence that this drug may work and we know the people who should not take it due to side effects. I feel Fauci is doing the medical profession harm with his self-promotion. He should he heeding the edit. DO NO HARM. Warning people not to take this drug may well kill thousands who could have been saved by taking it,versus virtually none who would be harmed by taking this with a doctor's approval.
 
Hypothetical said:
maybe not, but why widely oppose its use like the MSM when it COULD help people? Trump bad?
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Because Trump mentioned it ...

April 8, 2020 - AG Barr: "... “Before the president said anything about it, there was fair and balanced coverage of this very promising drug and the fact that it had such a long track record, and soon as [President Trump] said something positive about it the media has been on a jihad to discredit this drug,” Mr. Barr said in an interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingharam. “It’s quite strange.” ..."
 
Hypothetical said:
maybe not, but why widely oppose its use like the MSM when it COULD help people? Trump bad?
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I'm unable to respond to vague claims about someone without a name in the "MSM" who allegedly "oppose its use." I haven't seen anyone "oppose its use" but rather object to unproved and evidence free claims of it being a miracle cure with 100% effectiveness, etc.
 
JasperL said:
Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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Nice job! "corrupt liberal MSM" appears 4 times in five lines! I hope you have a shortcut for that term - time saver.
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I think it more than a little important to point out that journalism is all but dead, as the MSM practice it.

It's liberal anti-Trump propaganda, with lots of lies mixed in.

You don't think that of high importance to the country? How many Americans fall for it? Certainly most liberals do.

Just a FWIW, not that it matters to you, but a survey of doctors about whether they'd take or give the drug isn't evidence that the drug combo is effective.
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A survey of doctors absolutely is indirect evidence, because it's their job to follow studies and treatment to determine what to give their patients.

Amazing how far liberals will go to deny the obvious.

Bottom line is we don't yet know whether it's effective at all, and/or more or less effective than the many other drugs also in clinical trials, including several HIV drugs and their cousins. It's gotten a lot more media attention, and it's widely available, and for most people it's pretty safe, so a doctor willing to try something he or she can probably obtain in the absence of other meds is rational enough, but that's not evidence of any kind it works, much less is the miracle cure that some people are suggesting.
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No one "knows" because there won't be proof for some time yet.

And one doctor who I believe has treated the most patients with it has said definitively that it's a "game changer."

And again, who promoted this treatment, and who trashed it?

It's look like Fox and the conservative media were correct, and the liberal MSM appalling wrong.
 
Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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The last time I looked into the matter "It couldn' hoit." did NOT pass muster as either a cure or a preventative.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's not how medicine or science works. We don't decide the effectiveness of a treatment based on Trump's whims. Trump is not a doctor. If it is a scientifically legit treatment for covid it will be tested and recommended by actual professionals.

The criticism here is that Trump shouldn't be recommending medicines, doctors and scientists should be and it should be scientifically sound. You intentionally mischarachterized that because you have an agenda.
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I KNOW how the standard scientific method works. in times of CRISIS however, we have a need to speed up the process and we DO have doctors after use saying it CAN be effective and it IS safe to use.

no reason NOT to do so, PLUS DID the FDA NOT just recently ok it for non standard use?

if there is a chance, we better test the damn thing to be sure, because it can save lives. anything else is BS.
 
washunut said:
Here is why I differ from Fauci on this. By definition we can't have a drug approved by the FDA for a brand new disease. So he as a rigid bureaucrat refuses to sign off on the drug does.

That being said we are in a race to save lives. We have cratered the economy to do just that. We do have anecdotal evidence that this drug may work and we know the people who should not take it due to side effects. I feel Fauci is doing the medical profession harm with his self-promotion. He should he heeding the edit. DO NO HARM. Warning people not to take this drug may well kill thousands who could have been saved by taking it,versus virtually none who would be harmed by taking this with a doctor's approval.
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You literally didn't read a word I wrote and your conclusion is the exact opposite of what I said. Trump and his supporters are trying to make this political while I'm pointing out its scientific.

He should not be the one peddling treatments as he has no ****ing idea what he's talking about. He can feel free to speed along the approval process for a cure, antibody or vaccine pushed by doctors and scientists, but that's all he should be doing.
 
FDA approves hydroxychloroquine new drug application to address COVID-19 related shortage

On March 28, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization, which allowed hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine products that were donated to the SNS to be distributed and used for adolescent and adult patients hospitalized with COVID-19 who cannot be part of a clinical trial.

According to HHS, 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate have been donated to the Strategic National Stockpile by Sandoz, the genetics and biosimilars division of Novartis, and Bayer Pharmaceuticals donated 1 million doses of chloroquine phosphate to the national stockpile. The drugs have been provided for possible use in treating patients hospitalized with COVID-19, or for use in clinical trials, the department said.
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Barnacle said:
Because Trump mentioned it ...

April 8, 2020 - AG Barr: "... “Before the president said anything about it, there was fair and balanced coverage of this very promising drug and the fact that it had such a long track record, and soon as [President Trump] said something positive about it the media has been on a jihad to discredit this drug,” Mr. Barr said in an interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingharam. “It’s quite strange.” ..."
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Haha Barr on the Laura show is your proof?
 
Hypothetical said:
maybe not, but why widely oppose its use like the MSM when it COULD help people? Trump bad?
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Because it could cause major shortages for those who actually do need those drugs for arthritis and lupus. It can also cause major health complications for people with certain conditions, on other medications, or who take too much of it.

Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.

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Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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Since President Trump is for it the corrupt MSM of course is against it.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Termn8or said:
There is a huge difference between the way the corrupt liberal MSM have "reported" on the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment and the way the conservative media have reported it.

The corrupt liberal MSM have discounted its possible effectiveness, if not trashed it have vastly exaggerated its minimal risks.

And they have trashed Trump for recommending it.

Who got it right? Not the hate-Trump corrupt liberal MSM.

Who are actual doctors listening to? Not the corrupt liberal MSM.
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The last time I looked into the matter "It couldn' hoit." did NOT pass muster as either a cure or a preventative.
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Then you're obviously looking in the wrong places.

Simple as that.

Liberals are like the drunk who searches under a streetlight after losing his keys over in the shadows.

A police officer asks why he's searching there.


"It's brighter here," says the drunk.:lol:
 
roguenuke said:
Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.
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Oh well gosh, then people will just have to remain sick or even die if word doesn't get out fast enough.

Holy cow, how can liberals bungle such an easy issue?:neutral:
 
Termn8or said:
Oh well gosh, then people will just have to remain sick or even die if word doesn't get out fast enough.

Holy cow, how can liberals bungle such an easy issue?:neutral:
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It is a decision for doctors, researchers, not politicians, not laymen patients who have no clue about drugs. It is one of the biggest problems we have with pharmaceuticals in this country, and advertising from politicians, the President makes it far worse.

This sort of thing causes issues, causes shortages, causes deaths.

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ttwtt78640 said:
One of the reasons that we can't know (by law/rule) whether such treatments are (or are not) effective for COVID-19 is that the 'certification' process often takes years. What we can (and should) know is whether those taking a prescription drug for it's currently approved uses are experiencing greatly different hospitalization and/or death rates from COVID-19 exposure.

We have a control group (most people) and we have a well defined group of folks taking these prescription drugs for other reasons. Some of those "experts" talking about making "data driven" responses might at least examine that available data before falling back on we have no way of knowing (without looking at data).
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There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
 
roguenuke said:
Because it could cause major shortages for those who actually do need those drugs for arthritis and lupus. It can also cause major health complications for people with certain conditions, on other medications, or who take too much of it.

Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.

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Trump can’t help himself and no one around will ever advise him because they will be ignored and replaced. The new norm.
 
roguenuke said:
Because it could cause major shortages for those who actually do need those drugs for arthritis and lupus. It can also cause major health complications for people with certain conditions, on other medications, or who take too much of it.
Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.
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Trump is a positive person. If we were to listen to doom-and-gloom guys like the gnome Fauci, we might as well all commit suicide in order to prevent a terrible death on a ventilator or of starvation.

Hydroxychloroquine was and still is a beacon of hope and the American public deserves to know that. Freaks like Fauci and Cuomo should be arrested.


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JasperL said:
There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
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It seems that (bolded above) is what some seem to be afraid of. If formal clinical trials are proven to be 'unnecessary red tape' or "Trump's hunch" turned out to be right (and the "experts" were wrong) that would (or at least should) put some folks out of high paying jobs.
 
JasperL said:
There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
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I hope that is true, but with all drugs and combinations may create side effects that could be more harmful. That is why there are studies.
 
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