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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    One of the reasons that we can't know (by law/rule) whether such treatments are (or are not) effective for COVID-19 is that the 'certification' process often takes years. What we can (and should) know is whether those taking a prescription drug for it's currently approved uses are experiencing greatly different hospitalization and/or death rates from COVID-19 exposure.

    We have a control group (most people) and we have a well defined group of folks taking these prescription drugs for other reasons. Some of those "experts" talking about making "data driven" responses might at least examine that available data before falling back on we have no way of knowing (without looking at data).
    There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because it could cause major shortages for those who actually do need those drugs for arthritis and lupus. It can also cause major health complications for people with certain conditions, on other medications, or who take too much of it.

    Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because it could cause major shortages for those who actually do need those drugs for arthritis and lupus. It can also cause major health complications for people with certain conditions, on other medications, or who take too much of it.
    Drugs shouldn't be advertised at all, promoted. If doctors think they will work, then use them, after consideration of all factors. But there should be any need for Trump to promote any drug at all.
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    Hydroxychloroquine was and still is a beacon of hope and the American public deserves to know that. Freaks like Fauci and Cuomo should be arrested.


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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
    It seems that (bolded above) is what some seem to be afraid of. If formal clinical trials are proven to be 'unnecessary red tape' or "Trump's hunch" turned out to be right (and the "experts" were wrong) that would (or at least should) put some folks out of high paying jobs.
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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
    I hope that is true, but with all drugs and combinations may create side effects that could be more harmful. That is why there are studies.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by Termn8or View Post
    I think it more than a little important to point out that journalism is all but dead, as the MSM practice it.

    It's liberal anti-Trump propaganda, with lots of lies mixed in.

    You don't think that of high importance to the country? How many Americans fall for it? Certainly most liberals do.

    A survey of doctors absolutely is indirect evidence, because it's their job to follow studies and treatment to determine what to give their patients.
    Polling = evidence of effectiveness. Who knew medical research was that easy?

    Amazing how far liberals will go to deny the obvious.

    No one "knows" because there won't be proof for some time yet.

    And one doctor who I believe has treated the most patients with it has said definitively that it's a "game changer."

    And again, who promoted this treatment, and who trashed it?

    It's look like Fox and the conservative media were correct, and the liberal MSM appalling wrong.
    It's the "corrupt liberal MSM." Get it right comrade!

    And if one doctor says it works, that plus polling should be enough. Disband the FDA! All we need for drug testing is one doctor and a random pollster.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There are a number of clinical trials involving the chloroquine combo happening, and it's being used outside of formal clinical trials. If the combo is extremely effective, we'll know this soon enough.
    And let's apply a little logic for liberals.

    There is considerable evidence that it is quite effective.

    So should incomplete but highly hopeful information be spread from the Bully Pulpit by the president?

    Should Americans at risk know about it to be able to inform their doctor who may or may not know about it so that they can get a prescription if needed?

    Or should Americans remain ignorant, with the corrupt liberal MSM trashing the treatment almost daily?

    Almost every board liberal has condemned Trump for advocating it. Just freaking stunning.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It seems that (bolded above) is what some seem to be afraid of. If formal clinical trials are proven to be 'unnecessary red tape' or "Trump's hunch" turned out to be right (and the "experts" were wrong) that would (or at least should) put some folks out of high paying jobs.
    I don't know who is afraid of that outcome.

    And the "experts" in your telling aren't saying the miracle drug combo does not work, but that we need EVIDENCE.

    Also, no, it's silly to suggest that if someone (Trump or your neighbor, or some drunk at the bar) predicts ahead of time that X Drug will prove effective in trials, i.e. an ignorant guess, is a suitable substitute for evidence. In fact, we'll know if Trump et al. were correct through the clinical trials.

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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by barnacle View Post
    trump is a positive person. If we were to listen to doom-and-gloom guys like the gnome fauci, we might as well all commit suicide in order to prevent a terrible death on a ventilator or of starvation.

    Hydroxychloroquine was and still is a beacon of hope and the american public deserves to know that. freaks like fauci and cuomo should be arrested.
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    Re: The MSM and the hydroxychloroquine pack treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know who is afraid of that outcome.

    1) And the "experts" in your telling aren't saying the miracle drug combo does not work, but that we need EVIDENCE.

    2) Also, no, it's silly to suggest that if someone (Trump or your neighbor, or some drunk at the bar) predicts ahead of time that X Drug will prove effective in trials, i.e. an ignorant guess, is a suitable substitute for evidence. In fact, we'll know if Trump et al. were correct through the clinical trials.
    1) Acceptable evidence is months or years away, yet people are dying from COVID-19 daily. That means "waiting out of caution" is a rather stupid thing to do especially for drugs that are approved for other uses.

    2) Prescribing nothing (which is the current approved "list" of COVID-19 treatment drugs) is an option that Trump does not like.
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