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trump against mail in voting, unless he does it- caught in another lie

^ a religious person trying to divert attention away from his support of Trump.

you'd think Trump's constant lying would be enough to cause actual Christians to abandon him. as i see it, it's become a strength.

Don't be ridiculous. Here are the issues that came up on either one or both sides in the 2016 election":

1. support for abortion
2. texting on twitter
3. lying
4. law breaking
5. support for law breaking
6. corruption
7. dishonesty
8. hatred for political opponents
9. socialism
10. taxing the rich
11. criticizing and/or charging cops for doing their jobs by the book
12. covering the crimes of sex addicts and perverts
13. supporting spying on members of the opposing political party
14. Openly slandering conservative Christians with venomous hatred
15. Supporting terrorists by opposing Jews
And more. Who do you think Jesus wanted me to vote for?
 
I'm not a "Trump cultist" (and how I hate that term for Trump supporters). I've explained over and over why I support President Trump even though he disgusts me and I detest him.

I didn't say that you were. It's sad that anyone is in his cult, though. When I was a kid, he was a joke / real estate shyster who was famous for being a rich asshole. Now he is the embodiment of the Peter Principle with a coat of orange spray paint. It's scary that he is in charge of anything.
 
I didn't say that you were. It's sad that anyone is in his cult, though. When I was a kid, he was a joke / real estate shyster who was famous for being a rich asshole. Now he is the embodiment of the Peter Principle with a coat of orange spray paint. It's scary that he is in charge of anything.

I've hated him since the mid 1980s when he played a major role in destroying the USFL.
 
trump was asked by a reporter why he is against mail in voting. trump called it corrupt, but trump recently voted by mail. The reporter asked him to explain, good for him, bad for others. First what amazed me is trump didn't just yell at the reporter, calling the question shameful.

Trump's defense, he couldn't get to Florida to vote. We have restrictions due to covid 19 and people are staying home so this virus will stop spreading. Mail in voting should be applauded by the White House and trump, after- all trump really wants the country back to normal.

Curious though, trump can travel often to Florida for golf, but something as important as voting, not so much.

The lie by trump- Calling mail-in voting completely corrupt, but doing it himself. No matter how you look at his mail-in opinion or use of it, only one of trump's mail-in can be true: Is it corrupt? or Is it not corrupt, you did it

He is talking about absentee ballots.
That is different than what is being bandied about and for what Trump is referring.
 
Trump offered no legitimate explanation for the discrepancy between his position on mail-in voting and his personal voting habits, but insisted “there’s a big difference between somebody that’s out of state and does a ballot, and everything’s sealed, certified and everything else.”

Typically a person who votes absentee needs permission or provide an explanation why they can't be present on Election Day.
The request for such a ballot typically needs to be submitted a week or two prior to election. I guess this allows time for the polls to do what they do on the voting lists.

In other instances of mail-in voting, however, “you get thousands and thousands of people sitting in somebody’s living room, signing ballots all over the place,” Trump claimed.

The question of how it is done is valid.

“You look at what they do, where they grab thousands of mail-in ballots, and they dump it. I’ll tell you what — and I don’t have to tell you, you can look at the statistics — there’s a lot of dishonesty going along with mail-in voting, mail-in ballots,” he continued, adding: “I think if you vote, you should go.

Yes-- if you are going to be home on Election Day, you need to go and vote.
Not understanding why this is a problem.
 
I've hated him since the mid 1980s when he played a major role in destroying the USFL.

I didn't care much one way or the other about him until he started embarrassing the country on a daily basis and ****ing things up. Now I want to see him have a long and happy retirement farting around on his golf course.
 
Context is important.

The question he was asked by the reporter was in reference to a "national mail in voting law"...you know, that thing that Nancy was pushing for (and still is).

In other words the "contextual" difference in voting procedures in elections for President and Congress conducted by the individual states and elections for governors and state legislatures conducted by individual states.

What might those differences be?
 
Are you telling me that the GOP is not running a voter caging operation in Wisconsin????????

Are you telling me that the GOP went to court to force an election, in the hope of depressing turnout?????

Are you telling me that the Speaker of the GOP State Legislature did not appear in hospital scrubs to tell voters it was safe?

Are you telling me that the GOP house didn’t close all but 5 polling stations in the entire state?

If you think any of that is “paranoia and delusion” then you can refute those facts (and we both know they are facts).

Of course, you could document how any of this didn’t happen.

We both know you can’t.

This is a full on attack on democracy. Period. Doing anything you can, no matter how desperate or unreasonable to cheat your way into an electoral outcome. And using the law to do it.

Nothing that your irrational fear and paranoid delusion led you to think that I told you was contained in my post.

In Wisconsin, there are laws that govern the conduct of elections in Health Emergencies.

The Governor's order was in conflict with these laws.

What's wrong with you guys?
 
He is talking about absentee ballots.
That is different than what is being bandied about and for what Trump is referring.

Absentee, mail-in- WTF is the difference, Many Americans vote absentee and the number is variable. The actual subject of this thread was adding to the absentee numbers during crisis
 
Amazing, you attack tomfitz rather than explain your support for, sending people out of their homes to vote at a public facility. Of course people go to grocery stores, but the elderly comprimised or even young comprimised are staying home. These persons are using home delivery and family to get supplies.

Guess what, elderly and comprimised individuals exercise their right to vote. How do you and GOP judges square with placing comprimised persons in danger inorder to exercise their rights vs staying at home and not voting inorder to follow the avoid public places rule.

It's actually a joke looking at this issue logically. This is not the time for voting gamesmenship, public safety should come first. After-all to complete the not so funny joke, the voting could have been delayed like all other temporary delays going on.

Quite possibly, Wisconsin voters will remember this travesty and be embolden to vote out the GOP that does not care for his or her safety

Did I say I support this?

I only observed that the Governor's order was in conflict with Wisconsin Law.

Are you assertoing that the Governor's order was NOT in conflict with Wisconsin Law?

If so, your legal opinion seems to be in conflict with the legal opinions from the Wisconsin and US Supreme courts.

You probably need to submit your brief so our legal system can get straightened out.
 
Did I say I support this?

I only observed that the Governor's order was in conflict with Wisconsin Law.

Are you assertoing that the Governor's order was NOT in conflict with Wisconsin Law?

If so, your legal opinion seems to be in conflict with the legal opinions from the Wisconsin and US Supreme courts.

You probably need to submit your brief so our legal system can get straightened out.

Many temporary adjustments to laws and rules have happened during this crisis.
 
trump was asked by a reporter why he is against mail in voting. trump called it corrupt, but trump recently voted by mail. The reporter asked him to explain, good for him, bad for others. First what amazed me is trump didn't just yell at the reporter, calling the question shameful.

Trump's defense, he couldn't get to Florida to vote. We have restrictions due to covid 19 and people are staying home so this virus will stop spreading. Mail in voting should be applauded by the White House and trump, after- all trump really wants the country back to normal.

Curious though, trump can travel often to Florida for golf, but something as important as voting, not so much.

The lie by trump- Calling mail-in voting completely corrupt, but doing it himself. No matter how you look at his mail-in opinion or use of it, only one of trump's mail-in can be true: Is it corrupt? or Is it not corrupt, you did it

Hypocrisy is the norm with most manipulative and corrupt people. "I can do what I want, but you can't" I am special and you are not.
 
Typically a person who votes absentee needs permission or provide an explanation why they can't be present on Election Day.
The request for such a ballot typically needs to be submitted a week or two prior to election. I guess this allows time for the polls to do what they do on the voting lists.



The question of how it is done is valid.



Yes-- if you are going to be home on Election Day, you need to go and vote.
Not understanding why this is a problem.

By the way are the 1000s of military absentee votes dumped in the Commander in Chief's oval office
 
What's sad is the right has your state so gerrymandered I saw this morning back in 2018 during the midterms the dems took all the top positions in the state and outvoted the right by one hundred ninety thousand votes and the state legislature controlled by the right lost one seat. One. Then they have the audacity to say they do this stuff for your good and how we on the left hate freedom.

Well, the GOP has to do something to marginalize voter turn out if they want to remain viable. I keep telling myself they might have ran out of tricks as gerrymandering and the EC will only get you so far when the majority of voters overwhelmingly are voting democrat.

Thank you for your reply.
 
LA County and State to Purge 1.5 Million Inactive Voters From Rolls – NBC Los Angeles

"Prior to the agreement, Judicial Watch estimated that based on comparisons of national census data to voter-roll information, there were 3.5 million more names on various county voter rolls than there were citizens of voting age. The settlement could cut the number in half, Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said."

Voter fraud in California is very likely the reason for Hillary's so called " popular vote" win.
 


Your post conclusion on popular vote is completely inaccurate. But by researching your claim, I found another trump lie to add to his large list of lies

"The agreement is about voter registration record keeping and interpretation of federal law, not about votes cast in any election."

Trump’s claim ‘completely inaccurate’

The Associated Press reported on the agreement in January, describing it as a settlement on "old voter records," not on illegal voting. In the article, Paul Mitchell of the nonpartisan research firm Political Data Inc. called the case insignificant because it involves inactive voters who "are not getting voting materials, they are not casting ballots, they are not showing up in precincts."

President Trump recently claimed California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election, in an effort to support his widely debunked claim of massive voter fraud in the state.

But that agreement says nothing about voter fraud or illegal voting. Instead, it requires Los Angeles County election officials to begin the process of removing inactive registrations, for people who have gone years without voting often because they’ve moved or died, to comply with federal law.

It says all parties agreed there was no admission of liability or wrongdoing by the state or county.

We found Trump's new voter fraud claim as baseless as his past allegations

[url]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/24/donald-trump/pants-fire-trumps-latest-california-voter-fraud-cl/




Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls

Los Angeles County has started the process of removing from its registration rolls an estimated 1.5 million inactive voters who have moved, died or become ineligible to cast a ballot, an effort to comply with federal election law and a court settlement with Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog.

The county, the most populous in the United States, recently mailed notices to the inactive voters in an effort to verify their residency status and whether they are still alive. It’s the first time in 20 years that Los Angeles County has cleaned its voter rolls, having previously interpreted the federal law requiring it as not mandatory.

Under the terms of the settlement, voters who do not respond in the next two federal elections must be removed from county registration lists.

In addition, California’s top election official has put all 58 of its counties on notice that they must also purge inactive voters from their rosters. The updated California National Voter Registration Act Manual, published in March 2019, lays out the federal maintenance requirements for county voter rolls.

To drive that message home, the California Secretary of State’s office delivered a training presentation to election officials in every county regarding the federal list-maintenance requirements.

There were an estimated 5 million inactive registrations in the state as of November 2016, the latest figures available, according to a Judicial Watch analysis of data published by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton called the state’s response to the January legal settlement a “victory for clean elections in California” that would “set another national precedent for other states to take reasonable steps to ensure that dead and other ineligible voters are removed from the rolls.”

Judicial Watch in 2017 sued the county and state voter-registration agencies, arguing that election officials were not complying with a federal law requiring the removal of inactive registrations that remain after two general elections.

Inactive registrations, for the most part, occur when voters move to another country or state or pass away but remain on the rolls. The lawsuit alleged that Los Angeles County, with its more than 10 million residents, has more voter registrations than it has citizens old enough to register, with a registration rate of 112% of its adult citizen population

Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls | RealClearPolitics
 
Republicans know that mail in voting will result in more voters, and that will hurt their candidates. Therefore, it is in their best interest to make voting as difficult and as frightening as possible. This is because they are scumbag assholes.

Drain the GOP swamp!!

This country needs a grass roots effort to pass term limits on Congress
 
Your post conclusion on popular vote is completely inaccurate. But by researching your claim, I found another trump lie to add to his large list of lies

"The agreement is about voter registration record keeping and interpretation of federal law, not about votes cast in any election."

Trump’s claim ‘completely inaccurate’

The Associated Press reported on the agreement in January, describing it as a settlement on "old voter records," not on illegal voting. In the article, Paul Mitchell of the nonpartisan research firm Political Data Inc. called the case insignificant because it involves inactive voters who "are not getting voting materials, they are not casting ballots, they are not showing up in precincts."

President Trump recently claimed California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election, in an effort to support his widely debunked claim of massive voter fraud in the state.

But that agreement says nothing about voter fraud or illegal voting. Instead, it requires Los Angeles County election officials to begin the process of removing inactive registrations, for people who have gone years without voting often because they’ve moved or died, to comply with federal law.

It says all parties agreed there was no admission of liability or wrongdoing by the state or county.

We found Trump's new voter fraud claim as baseless as his past allegations

PolitiFact | PANTS ON FIRE: Trump’s latest California voter fraud claim as baseless as past allegations



Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls

Los Angeles County has started the process of removing from its registration rolls an estimated 1.5 million inactive voters who have moved, died or become ineligible to cast a ballot, an effort to comply with federal election law and a court settlement with Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog.

The county, the most populous in the United States, recently mailed notices to the inactive voters in an effort to verify their residency status and whether they are still alive. It’s the first time in 20 years that Los Angeles County has cleaned its voter rolls, having previously interpreted the federal law requiring it as not mandatory.

Under the terms of the settlement, voters who do not respond in the next two federal elections must be removed from county registration lists.

In addition, California’s top election official has put all 58 of its counties on notice that they must also purge inactive voters from their rosters. The updated California National Voter Registration Act Manual, published in March 2019, lays out the federal maintenance requirements for county voter rolls.

To drive that message home, the California Secretary of State’s office delivered a training presentation to election officials in every county regarding the federal list-maintenance requirements.

There were an estimated 5 million inactive registrations in the state as of November 2016, the latest figures available, according to a Judicial Watch analysis of data published by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton called the state’s response to the January legal settlement a “victory for clean elections in California” that would “set another national precedent for other states to take reasonable steps to ensure that dead and other ineligible voters are removed from the rolls.”

Judicial Watch in 2017 sued the county and state voter-registration agencies, arguing that election officials were not complying with a federal law requiring the removal of inactive registrations that remain after two general elections.

Inactive registrations, for the most part, occur when voters move to another country or state or pass away but remain on the rolls. The lawsuit alleged that Los Angeles County, with its more than 10 million residents, has more voter registrations than it has citizens old enough to register, with a registration rate of 112% of its adult citizen population

Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls | RealClearPolitics



Ya, I realize there was no admission of guilt, because, let's face it, the lawsuits would be devastating. But I live here and know full well how easy it would be for a non-qualified person to vote. And there are estimated to be 3.5 million of them here. About equal to Hillary's popular vote "win".
 
Don't be ridiculous. Here are the issues that came up on either one or both sides in the 2016 election":

1. support for abortion
2. texting on twitter
3. lying
4. law breaking
5. support for law breaking
6. corruption
7. dishonesty
8. hatred for political opponents
9. socialism
10. taxing the rich
11. criticizing and/or charging cops for doing their jobs by the book
12. covering the crimes of sex addicts and perverts
13. supporting spying on members of the opposing political party
14. Openly slandering conservative Christians with venomous hatred
15. Supporting terrorists by opposing Jews
And more. Who do you think Jesus wanted me to vote for?

“Supporting terrorists by opposing Jews”? Now there’s a leap of logic that would at least get the silver at the Simplistic Statements Olympics. It clearly outdoes the other 14 runners-up.
 
Many temporary adjustments to laws and rules have happened during this crisis.

I don't know the full story on this as I don't live in Wisconsin and haven't followed this.

In the article I read that mentioned the timing of the cancelation, it read like Evers had cancelled the election on Monday, the day before the election.

This election hit the national spotlight for me when Trump said he endorsed a particular dark horse candidate making his election seem suddenly likely and the governor cancelled the election as a result.

I didn't know about the endorsement, the election, the candidate or anything else until Trump mentioned it responding to the reporter's question.

I had heard of the virus earlier. I wonder if the Wisconsin Governor had heard of the virus earlier... What caused him to cancel the election when he cancelled it after not cancelling it at any time earlier?

Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers canceled the April 7 election, but Republicans take it to the state Supreme Court.
<snip>
Original story: On Monday, Gov. Tony Evers canceled Wisconsin’s election just one day before it was set to occur.
<snip>
 
I don't know the full story on this as I don't live in Wisconsin and haven't followed this.

In the article I read that mentioned the timing of the cancelation, it read like Evers had cancelled the election on Monday, the day before the election.

This election hit the national spotlight for me when Trump said he endorsed a particular dark horse candidate making his election seem suddenly likely and the governor cancelled the election as a result.

I didn't know about the endorsement, the election, the candidate or anything else until Trump mentioned it responding to the reporter's question.

I had heard of the virus earlier. I wonder if the Wisconsin Governor had heard of the virus earlier... What caused him to cancel the election when he cancelled it after not cancelling it at any time earlier?

Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers canceled the April 7 election, but Republicans take it to the state Supreme Court.
<snip>
Original story: On Monday, Gov. Tony Evers canceled Wisconsin’s election just one day before it was set to occur.
<snip>

All I'm saying is logically, not politically, this voting in WI could have been posponed or mail- in explored for public safety and a faster mitigation of pandemic for economic recovery by keeping people out of public places.

I'll also offer, although moves like the GOP played out in WI hurt them and is good for DEMS, right now I would rather see this pandemic end ASAP.
 
Ya, I realize there was no admission of guilt, because, let's face it, the lawsuits would be devastating. But I live here and know full well how easy it would be for a non-qualified person to vote. And there are estimated to be 3.5 million of them here. About equal to Hillary's popular vote "win".

There's no still no evidence that we have massive voter fraud in this country, and we don't have any evidence that voter ID laws actually stops it from happening. Trump has no evidence of voter fraud happening on a large scale. Pointing to the Judicial Watch case doesn't support his conspiracy theory.
 
All I'm saying is logically, not politically, this voting in WI could have been posponed or mail- in explored for public safety and a faster mitigation of pandemic for economic recovery by keeping people out of public places.

I'll also offer, although moves like the GOP played out in WI hurt them and is good for DEMS, right now I would rather see this pandemic end ASAP.

Wisconsin is and recently has been very polarized politically. I don't know if this will give any help either way.

It FEELS like the Governor's cancellation was a political move since it occurred so near to the election date with almost no notice.

The first DEATH in Wisconsin was about March 20. The Election was the 7 or 8 of April. Even the least informed person was aware that there has been concern about the virus. Evers did the "stay at home" thing on March 17.

We still don't know the election result in the race for which Trump said he endorsed as the vote count difference is only 6000.

There's usually a Democrat election official driving around with that many Democrat ballots in the trunk of his car. We'll see if the word gets to him that the votes in his trunk are needed.
 
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