How Trump might try and become permanent dictator of the United States

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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reading conspiracy theories rots your brain so does reading leftwing kooks.
but i can see it is too late.

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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the conspiracy theory section is that way -------->

this belongs there

you would have been better to post about little green men from alpha centauri

Just so none of the leftist can claim bias of any kind here is the actual facts unlike the atlantic that has 0 clue what it is talking about.

Trump cannot cancel Election Day, but the Constitution says states can.

The answer is no: Congress, not the president, has the power to move Election Day. And even if Congress did postpone the vote, the Constitution would terminate Trump’s term on Jan. 20, 2021. If Trump sought to cancel the election and remain in office past that point, then, he would require not just a congressional act but a constitutional amendment. That scenario is extremely improbable.

AlphaOmega said:

Don't worry...us second amendment types will protect you from that ever happening.

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Hilarious...

Like there is any scenario where the gun owners of America take on the US military..

The whole thing is ridiculous, but assuming trump was able to crown himself king , which would require the military’s support.. for sure...

There is nothing a bunch of Chinese knock off AKs are gonna do to stop it... ask the taliban types.. they tried to take on the US military with small arms fire.


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CaughtInThe said:

that's the easy part. they'd have to defeat the US Military if it actually was a dictatorship.

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It wouldn't be a de jure dictatorship (not a formally declared dictatorship), it would be a de facto dictatorship (meaning that it would be in effect a dictatorship)., i.e., it would be legal and the military, by law, would have to comply, lest someone be court martialed for violating a lawful order from the Commander-in-chief.

In short, during a time of emergency, there many declarative tools at his disposal which would, in effect, give him the kinds of powers a dictator has. So, the question is, could he string it out permanently? I ask because Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't want to give up power, once acquired, which is the nature of dictators.

RaleBulgarian said:

Famous last words of every country before becoming a dictatorship

* In fairness to Trump, he’s not nearly smart enough to orchestrate a takeover of the entire government.

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Not what I meant, what I meant was whatever the law allows, as indicated by the article. There will be no need to 'orchestrate', he will do whatever the law allows, and he will bend laws to see if he can get away with it. You'll probably hear some astonishing trial balloons in the coming months, to gage the reaction to his base.

See, Trump is known to test congress and other branches of government, to see what rules he can bend to his advantage, to see what he could get away with.

IF there is a need to declare martial law, that's when things will get scary, but not because I fear someone attacking my person and/or my possessions, but because there would be no man more unsuited for declaring an emergency than Donald Trump, who lusts after power, and this would provide him with an irresistible opportunity to acquire it, far more power than any president in history has achieved, noting that his minions, the spineless cowards in the republican senate, have acquiesced to his cultist personality since he took office, and now it looks like he's going to take it to another level, hitherto unseen by any president in history.

If he does, I predict a massive revolt, and things are going to get ugly, much uglier than now.

I'm a pessimist with it comes to Donald Trump-- every intention he exhibits has been, in one way or another, some kind of thing said or done to make him look good, because all he seem to care about is his image to his base, from whom he draws his power.

Trump is who he is because 45% of the population give him that power, and by a fluke of the electoral college, he is president.

That is the sad fact of America.

ArtemisBarca said:

Hilarious...

Like there is any scenario where the gun owners of America take on the US military..

The whole thing is ridiculous, but assuming trump was able to crown himself king , which would require the military’s support.. for sure...

There is nothing a bunch of Chinese knock off AKs are gonna do to stop it... ask the taliban types.. they tried to take on the US military with small arms fire.


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But, what if Little Donnie Me-Me-Me gets reelected and continues to diminish the powers of Congress (House and Senate) and the Free Press to the point they become meer Supernumerary rubber stamps, like the Senate and Faux News already have.

Then because of a crisis, real or imagined declared the 22nd an impediment to the national well being. As long as the retrumplicans can impose voting restrictions he can be president for life. Along the way, it's not a stretch that he would try to make the presidency hereditary.

That's the goal of the plutocrats that back him. A presidency THEY control.

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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JFC, with all the other stuff we're dealing with, you're sweating bullets over this? What "secret desire to be dictator"? You're being to believe you guys' own propaganda. And you base your self panty twisting on the friggin' The Atlantic? This is the mother of all left-wing circle jerks. I hope you don't hurt each other too much running around aimlessly with your hair on fire.

OscarLevant said:

It wouldn't be a de jure dictatorship (not a formally declared dictatorship), it would be a de facto dictatorship (meaning that it would be in effect a dictatorship)., i.e., it would be legal and the military, by law, would have to comply, lest someone be court martialed for violating a lawful order from the Commander-in-chief.

In short, during a time of emergency, there many declarative tools at his disposal which would, in effect, give him the kinds of powers a dictator has. So, the question is, could he string it out permanently? I ask because Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't want to give up power, once acquired, which is the nature of dictators.

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The proves you have 0 clue what you are talking about.
No military officer in his right mind would attack american people.

Yes they can in fact ignore an unlawful order in which any president that gave such an order it could be ignored.

The US military is the last defense of our freedom from government. In fact they would be authorized under law to take a
president that ordered such a thing and place him under arrest until the time in which he could be impeached.

It would be horrific event in US history if that ever happened but it is very much a real thing.

RealityNow said:

I think the Military Leaders would 'take over from him" before they allow him to destroy what millions of other military people have fought and died for, to preserve this Democracy. They will only go along with so much of the madness of Trump. The Military Can seize power from him and demand a New Election within 6 months.

The Right-Wing Cult Constituency, who always want to claim the words "My Freedoms", would be rudely awakened to what they have supported, when he shows them that gerrymandering was only a mild form of containment when he would try his extreme version of containment.

The Right Winger's would quickly find out their lust for Racist Segregationist Idiocy, entraps them more than it will entrap anyone else. They would either rise up or accept being peon subjects of a dictator. Now, we do know that some are already with that devotional consumption, and they will go full-on rabid when he tries to come for their guns.

Their lust for "Money" would be another point that would make them lose every pretentious bit of being respecters of American Democracy.
They would go straight out savage upon and against Trump and his regime when he's trying to "ration them money" and put them under full "plutocratic control and treat them like "sharecroppers', who remain indebted no matter what they do.

Between their "lust for money" and "their love of racist bias and bigotry"... have to face the fact, they are thought of no more than anyone else through the eyes and mind of Trump.... some attack each other as they scramble trying to pretend to be more important than the other, and trying to get another's money.

They'd quickly find out that delusion of "skin color madness" will expose just how much they can't and don't care much for each other, and that there is no "one way of living, just because they have white skin.

Some might even awaken to how stupid racism is.... and it will be likely his own cult followers who will take down the Cult Dictator themselves when they realize how much of a fool they've been made of, and how ignorant they have been to have accepted being led by racist ignorance and the greed lust for money.

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Thank you for your thought provoking reply.

However, it won't be a 'coup' it will be a step by step acquisition of incremental power by pushing the legal envelops ( which he's demonstrated he is perfectly capable of doing ).

I believe that the term 'insidious' describes Trump in the most perfect way.

Many people get the meaning of that word wrong, i.e., because it sounds like 'hideous' and 'invidious' it's often used in that context, but it does not mean these things entirely, and the distinction is important.

Insidious means a gradual change from being initially attractive and alluring (could be a person, a thing, an idea or movement, a policy, a trend, etc ), to being disastrous to such an extent extrication from it is no longer possible, insidious means we've gone from being what we thought would be a good thing, to suddenly realizing, due to incremental shifting, that it's magnanimously evil and it's too late to do anything about it. *Hitler is the quintessential example of "insidious".

No word describes Trump better than 'insidious'. Now, for many of us, if not most of us, we knew all along that making Trump president would result in a disaster, eventually, all that is needed to reveal his danger to Society is a crisis, yet even during this crisis, many still cannot see the hidden danger that is Trump, they have become so mesmerized that it would literally take him shooting someone on 5th avenue to wake them up, and even then they would still rationalize it in some way. ( "he got what was coming to him" or some kind of moronic rationalization ).

It's obvious, when Trump goes on script, that he's got handlers who tell him what to say to avert the disaster of his terrible instincts. He's got Miller, who is much smarter than Trump, and therefore much more dangerous.

(*I suspect a few will confuse my comment as comparing Trump to Hitler. No, I didn't do that, all I did was assert that Hitler was the quintessential example of what the word 'insidious' can mean -- don't put words in my mouth, in case you are so inclined).

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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So who exactly has the power to decide when a state of emergency exists, Don?...

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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His term ends 1200EST on January 20, 2021 and there isn't a mechanism to grant him any kind of power after that. Absent a president-elect (and the corresponding VP), the presidency would then fall to the Speaker of the House. (in all likelihood, Nancy Pelosi)

OscarLevant said:

It wouldn't be a de jure dictatorship (not a formally declared dictatorship), it would be a de facto dictatorship (meaning that it would be in effect a dictatorship)., i.e., it would be legal and the military, by law, would have to comply, lest someone be court martialed for violating a lawful order from the Commander-in-chief.

In short, during a time of emergency, there many declarative tools at his disposal which would, in effect, give him the kinds of powers a dictator has. So, the question is, could he string it out permanently? I ask because Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't want to give up power, once acquired, which is the nature of dictators.

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1) The military is obligated to ignore unlawful orders
2) He ceases to be Commander-in-Chief next year.

rocket88 said:

A good number of his followers aren't conservatives as you would define it. They're social conservatives, but that's it. The fundies believe Trump was anointed by God to be our King.

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Well when a dictator steps out of imagination land and tries to take over America, you just step aside and watch what our second amendment was made for.

OscarLevant said:

It wouldn't be a de jure dictatorship (not a formally declared dictatorship), it would be a de facto dictatorship (meaning that it would be in effect a dictatorship)., i.e., it would be legal and the military, by law, would have to comply, lest someone be court martialed for violating a lawful order from the Commander-in-chief.

In short, during a time of emergency, there many declarative tools at his disposal which would, in effect, give him the kinds of powers a dictator has. So, the question is, could he string it out permanently? I ask because Trump strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't want to give up power, once acquired, which is the nature of dictators.

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naw. he's not that smart. he may want forever power but he has the mental capacity of a used car salesman.

ArtemisBarca said:

Hilarious...

Like there is any scenario where the gun owners of America take on the US military..

The whole thing is ridiculous, but assuming trump was able to crown himself king , which would require the military’s support.. for sure...

There is nothing a bunch of Chinese knock off AKs are gonna do to stop it... ask the taliban types.. they tried to take on the US military with small arms fire.


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U.S. military? lol...why would the U.S. military be supporting a dictator? Aside from posse commitatus...lIll engage your fantasy but lets do some math in the process. Please tell us the # of enlisted in our military.

AlphaOmega said:

Well when a dictator steps out of imagination land and tries to take over America, you just step aside and watch what our second amendment was made for.

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I hope the "second amendment we got this wooo" crowd never has to find out just how hilariously outgunned they are by the US military.

AlphaOmega said:

U.S. military? lol...why would the U.S. military be supporting a dictator? Aside from posse commitatus...lIll engage your fantasy but lets do some math in the process. Please tell us the # of enlisted in our military.

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If the military isn't supporting the would-be dictator, we never had a dictator to begin with. In that scenario, Donny is just dragged out of the White House on January 20, 2020 by the House Sergeant-At-Arms and he cries on Fox News while awaiting his trial on charges of treason.

Deuce said:

I hope the "second amendment we got this wooo" crowd never has to find out just how hilariously outgunned they are by the US military.

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Aside from the military being on our side, the side of the constitution, how exactly do you envision the military fighting 80 million heavily armed citizens? Did you guys ever pass math?

Deuce said:

If the military isn't supporting the would-be dictator, we never had a dictator to begin with. In that scenario, Donny is just dragged out of the White House on January 20, 2020 by the House Sergeant-At-Arms and he cries on Fox News while awaiting his trial on charges of treason.

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Yeah so thanks for making my point. A dictator in America will only ever exist in the tiny minds of the orange man bad crowd.

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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I predict this post will age poorly, hilariously so.

CaughtInThe said:

that's the easy part. they'd have to defeat the US Military if it actually was a dictatorship.

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Last time I checked we don't have a military full of conscripts forced to do everything they are told.

RealityNow said:

No one who is sane should want to be a dictator after knowing the history of what happened to various Dictators over the history of the world

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I dunno...the British royal family live lives of luxury to this day.

OscarLevant said:

If the pandemic gets so bad martial law is declared, then, in my view, given what I know about Trump, that he has a secret desire to be dictator, given that he's envious of people like KJU and Putin, the temptation to exert powers that would become available to him in such a declaration would too great for him to resist.

I predict things will get extremely bad in the coming months. I predicted in an earlier post "all hell is going to break loose" and, though it really hasn't yet, it will eventually.

But, could he actually do it? The following article seems to think so.

What say you?

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Here's where the Democrats are screwed. They can't whine about Trump postponing the national election, because THEY postponed the their own primary in Ohio. Whoops!

Democrats: Shut everything down! Now!. Well except for abortion clinics and Democrat primaries and the DNC convention and the national election.