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Trump says D's voter turnout bad for R's

Master Debator said:
Blacks have heard that one before. Do laws apply equally to blacks and whites in this country? Things aren't that simple. As with the war on drugs we see the penalties for a drug whites use more have smaller sentences than the same drug in a different form that blacks used more. And as I belive Lisa pointed out earlier(forgive me if I got that poster wrong) but she linked to a news article showing republican states rejecting I.D.s that are more frequently and easily obtained for some black communities.

Again Luther, if you want to feign ignorance or play dumb, I'll oblige. I agree, you're a moron. Thats the only move you ridiculous Republicans have left yourselves. The facts don't agree with you. You talk about blacks as if they aren't individuals with their own opinions and as a community they resoundingly reject you. The only move you've left yourselves is to pretend you're too stupid to notice.

So what is it Luther? Do you not notice the lack of black voices agreeing with you are you just that stupid?

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Blacks have heard that one before. Do laws apply equally to blacks and whites in this country? Things aren't that simple.
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Concentrate... we're discussing voter laws/rules
 
marke said:
If the mob stops investigators from investigating then you are right, the investigators will not uncover the voter fraud which has been occurring on a regular basis for the last 40 years and more, some years worse than others. Voter fraud is all democrats have got to defeat Trump now that all their other schemes fell apart. But not to worry. George Soros owns the company which has supplied the unreliable post-programmable voting machines scheduled to be used in high democrat areas in the coming election.
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:lamo

Why are Trump and the Republicans letting this mob cuck them then? Isn't he the president? What kind of weak sauce, ***** president can't expose the mob?
 
BWG said:
The article says she asked for no-excuse mail in ballots and two weeks early voting, what are the cons afraid of?

He admitted that voter suppression is to favor cons keeping power.

Who knew? :doh
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What are the Republicans afraid of?

Rampant voter fraud and election tampering. This is not difficult to figure out.

Republicans want easily checked voter identification to qualify those that are legally eligible to vote and disqualify those that are not.

This is not rocket science. It's actually right about at a first grade math level of challenge. It seems to confound the understanding of most Democrat-Socialists, though.

Probably explains why they support the folks they vote for.
 
Luther said:
Concentrate... we're discussing voter laws/rules
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:lamo

Why don't you concentrate on how what the projected demographic shifts of this country are going to look like in the coming years and percentage of that vote your party is likely to get.

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I don't have to convince you, the proponent of these restrictive laws that they harm minorities. You know this, and minorities know this. Lying about it now doesn’t really get you anything except make you all look like cucked cowards. We know you are our enemy and we're coming for you.
 
Master Debator said:
:lamo

Why are Trump and the Republicans letting this mob cuck them then? Isn't he the president? What kind of weak sauce, ***** president can't expose the mob?
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That is politics. It is not just democrats who are crooked and deluded, many republicans also fail to see the threat voter fraud poses to the safety and security of our whole nation. Democrats admit voter fraud takes place, especially when it is republicans committing the fraud, but at the same time they absolutely resist implementing measures to guard against fraud. They are not being honest when they say protections against voter fraud are bad because those protections will keep some voters from voting. So let those who do not want an honest election not vote if voting protections offend them.
 
marke said:
That is politics. It is not just democrats who are crooked and deluded, many republicans also fail to see the threat voter fraud poses to the safety and security of our whole nation.
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So Trump got cucked by the liberal mob. Got it.

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Master Debator said:
:lamo

Why don't you concentrate on how what the projected demographic shifts of this country are going to look like in the coming years and percentage of that vote your party is likely to get.

:shrug:

I don't have to convince you, the proponent of these restrictive laws that they harm minorities. You know this, and minorities know this. Lying about it now doesn’t really get you anything except make you all look like cucked cowards. We know you are our enemy and we're coming for you.
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First, nice deflection and thank you for not addressing what I said! I commend you!


Why don't you concentrate on how what the projected demographic shifts of this country are going to look like in the coming years and percentage of that vote
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I'm a demographer(wink)

your party
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My party?(LOL)

I don't need no stinking party!

I don't have to convince you, the proponent of these restrictive laws that they harm minorities
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Sure.... they do(Rolling eyes)
 
Luther said:
First, nice deflection and thank you for not addressing what I said! I commend you!




I'm a demographer(wink)



My party?(LOL)

I don't need no stinking party!



Sure.... they do(Rolling eyes)
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Really I don't understand all the pretending. Explain it to me. Or at least explain why such a large portion of the black and minority community feel directly. Or why you think you know better what's negatively affecting our community than we do? If you aren't pretending. If you really are this clueless.
 
Master Debator said:
Really I don't understand all the pretending. Explain it to me. Or at least explain why such a large portion of the black and minority community feel directly. Or why you think you know better what's negatively affecting our community than we do? If you aren't pretending. If you really are this clueless.
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The above is all a failure because you couldn't explain why Blacks(Same as whites) can't get a form of ID?(LOL)
 
Luther said:
The above is all a failure because you couldn't explain why Blacks(Same as whites) can't get a form of ID?(LOL)
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I did explain. I also provided you a link that had other links to data on how blacks are affected by these laws. You addressed none of those. But we know for a fact thousands of blacks are prevented from voting by these laws. So why don't you offer your explanation for why that is?
 
Master Debator said:
I did explain. I also provided you a link that had other links to data on how blacks are affected by these laws. You addressed none of those. But we know for a fact thousands of blacks are prevented from voting by these laws. So why don't you offer your explanation for why that is?
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I did explain
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The floor is all yours? Explain it?

Why can't they get a ID?
 
Luther said:
The floor is all yours? Explain it?

Why can't they get a ID?
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I already did that too. I gave an example of laws seemingly equal but certainly not. The disparities between crack and cocaine sentencing are a prefect example of this. You failed to address this as well. It seems you think you get to dictate the question and the response and that's not how debate works. Do you deny sentencing guildlines for crack and cocaine were set to punish minorities more for the same drug use as whites?
 
Master Debator said:
I already did that too. I gave an example of laws seemingly equal but certainly not. The disparities between crack and cocaine sentencing are a prefect example of this. You failed to address this as well. It seems you think you get to dictate the question and the response and that's not how debate works. Do you deny sentencing guildlines for crack and cocaine were set to punish minorities more for the same use as whites?
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You gave me a bunch of BS

You couldn't answer a direct question

I understand
 
Luther said:
You gave me a bunch of BS

You couldn't answer a direct question

I understand
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Its not b.s. when discussing how racist laws affect communities differently. It's telling that you can't even address my response. We can get to your question but first answer if you recognize the simple fact that sentancing guide lines for crack and cocaine were set in way to particularly punish minorities. Its not a difficult question.
 
Luther said:
I thought states set voter rules?
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Yes, except when they overstep and violate one's rights.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965, signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote as guaranteed under the 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Voting Rights Act is considered one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history.

Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Definition, Summary & Significance - HISTORY
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But it's so used and abused by the right and the courts, it's hard to keep up with where it's at now.

I think one North Carolina judge said it best about the R's efforts to suppress D's from voting - - 'with surgical precision'.
 
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code1211 said:
What are the Republicans afraid of?

Rampant voter fraud and election tampering. This is not difficult to figure out.

Republicans want easily checked voter identification to qualify those that are legally eligible to vote and disqualify those that are not.

This is not rocket science. It's actually right about at a first grade math level of challenge. It seems to confound the understanding of most Democrat-Socialists, though.

Probably explains why they support the folks they vote for.
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And of course, you can show where that was a problem to begin with

Perhaps you need remedial math lessons.
 
BWG said:
Yes, except when they overstep and violate one's rights.



But it's so used and abused by the right and the courts, it's hard to keep up with where it's at now.

I think one North Carolina judge said it best about the R's to suppress D's from voting 'with surgical precision'.
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Yes, except when they overstep and violate one's rights.
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So asking for an ID is violating someones rights?

Holy ****!

You need a ID to check out a book at the library no?
 
Luther said:
So asking for an ID is violating someones rights?

Holy ****!

You need a ID to check out a book at the library no?
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Yep. Depends on how its asked. As we know from before the voting rights act blacks would be subject to poll taxes and literacy tests that on the surface applied to all equally but in practice did not. And now as soon as those protections are struck down we see a lot of those very same states, quickly moving to enact the 21st century version of the poll tax. All you need is an I.D.. But not that one. Or that one. And you cant file for that one here... and etc etc... we've done this dance already.

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marke said:
You would think all Americans would want serious investigations into voter fraud given all the instances of suspected voter fraud in elections which democrats have managed to stifle investigations into. You cannot trust voters who commit fraud and find protection from investigations from influential members of their own party.
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However, no one is putting forth bills to allow illegals to vote in national elections, as the article you quote so states, it's for local elections, school boards, that sort of thing.

Moreover, you have no evidence that 'fraud' on a massive scale that could affect the outcome of a national election, has occurred.

Remember, Trump put together a commission, head by the notorious voter suppression king, former secretary of state Kris Kobach, searching for voter fraud.

The commission was disbanded.

The reason?

"No evidence".
 
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TypicalRussian said:
House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections - Washington Times

Democrats use this for voting gains not republicans

The reason why voter fraud does not take place often because we have GOOD laws in place against it, why criticize republicans for wanting those laws updated and secured?
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That was intended for local elections, such as voting for local school board, that sort of thing.

This was not an attempt to make it legal for illegals to vote in national elections.

But, it is a moot point, given this from your article:

The measure would have had no practical effect even if it had passed. Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections.
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Luther said:
The floor is all yours? Explain it?

Why can't they get a ID?
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It's not that it is impossible, it's that for many in a certain class, disabled, less ambulatory, poverty, etc, acquiring an ID is so difficult for them they just don't bother, and sit out the election, which, of course, is the entire objective of republicans, to suppress the vote, because history proves that when voter turn out is low, especially among these groups, republican chances of winning increases

The president admitted it.

The details of such difficulties are outlined here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html
 
Luther said:
So asking for an ID is violating someones rights?

Holy ****!

You need a ID to check out a book at the library no?
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Nope, it's the type of ID's the right deems to be necessary to vote.

If you don't check out a book at the library you don't need an ID.
If you don't fly, you don't need an ID.
If you don't drive, you don't need an ID.
If you don't drink alcohol or smoke, you don't need an ID.

Some have estimated that millions don't have 'the proper ID', those are mostly poor or minority voters that vote for the left. The right knows that hence the stricter voter ID requirement.
 
I have voted by mail with an early ballot. Why wait in line.
 
Master Debator said:
I think the point is we should all be weary of the party that doesn't want more Americans to have a say in the running of our government. But its not surprising Republicans believe in power over democracy. That was pretty much a given.
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I just want to know is when does a party get too small to be a party anymore?
 
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