The Cold Hard Math -- At Least 1 Million Americans Are Going to Die from Coronavirus This Year

Kerry Won Ohio said:

I doubt you read much, but check out Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by MIT Professor Steve Freeman. Yes, the 2004 election was indeed stolen, despite your bloviating to the contrary.

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(guys this must be the new leftist buzz word of the month bloviating). they seem to need a new buzz word every week or so or for
some reason they think this actually makes an argument.

so here is the liberal rag of the salon saying that you are wrong like we knew you were.

Was the 2004 election stolen? No. | Salon.com

I scoured his Rolling Stone article for some novel story or statistic or theory that would prove, finally, that George W. Bush was not the true victor. But nothing here is new. If you've spent time on Democratic Underground or have read Mark Crispin Miller's "Fooled Again," you're already familiar with everything Kennedy has to say.

so he is even quoting your own book so let delve in shall we?

Worse, Kennedy relies on a band of researchers whose research on election fraud has long been called into question by experts. Especially in his section on Ohio's exit poll, Kennedy reports his sources' theories uncritically, even though many have been debunked, or have at least been the subject of tremendous debate among experts. Reading Kennedy's article, you'd never guess that some of his star sources' claims have fared quite badly when put to people in the field.

i am not going too far out to say that one of those researchers is your Mr. Freeman.

Now we get to the heart of your argument Exit polls are more reliable than counting actual votes : (lmao)
exit polls said there was 40 blue marbles but when we counted them there was 60 blue marbles. the counts are wrong even though there are 60 blue marbles right here. lmao anyway.

Claim: Exit polls are usually accurate.

"Nonsense," says Mark Blumenthal, the professional Democratic pollster who runs Mystery Pollster, the poll-scrutinizing blog that has comprehensively covered the exit poll story since Election Day. Anyone who says that exit polls are the most reliable kind of survey "only demonstrates that the person making that statement knows very little about how surveys are done," Blumenthal says.

So we have a democratic pollster saying that you have no friggen clue what you are talking about.
Which tell us that you have never once in your life taken calculus based statistics.

The ACE Project, a group that advises democracies on how to conduct elections that is spearheaded by, among other groups, the United Nations, says this of exit polling:
"Their reliability can be questionable. One might think that there is no reason why voters in stable democracies should conceal or lie about how they have voted, especially because nobody is under any obligation to answer in an exit poll. But in practice they often do. The majority of exit polls carried out in European countries over the past years have been failures."

So there goes your biggest source propping up your argument that the UN uses them to monitor elections. lmao

your next failure of an argument and conspiracy theory.

Claim: The exit polls showed an insurmountable Kerry lead, one that made a Bush win impossible.

Reality: Kennedy is right that the polls in battleground states showed Kerry ahead. What he fails to say is that in many states, the exits didn't show Kerry ahead by the margin of error, meaning, statistically, that his lead wasn't secure. Way back in December of 2004, pollster Mark Blumenthal pointed out the key fact in this debate. Of the ten battleground states that the exit poll showed Kerry winning, he ultimately lost four -- states that, you could say, cost him the election. These were Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico. But in none of those states was Kerry's lead outside the poll's margin of error.

OOOO an here we go with your boy Freeman.

As for Freeman's 660,000 to 1 statistic, it is irrelevant. (His comment to Kennedy -- "As much as we can say in sound science that something is impossible..." -- appears almost verbatim in the paper he put out in December 2004; I included it in a story on exit polling a year and a half ago.) The statistic measures the probability that the errors in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida occurred due to chance or random error, and according to Freeman, that probability is very low. But nobody argues the errors happened by chance. Everyone in the exit poll debate agrees that there was a systematic cause for the errors in the poll. Freeman, Kennedy, et al., claim that the systematic cause was fraud, while Mitofsky and many in the polling community claim the cause was a problem with the poll. So Freeman's argument that it would take preposterous odds to produce a random sampling error is a straw-man assertion.


Facts do not care about your feelings.

ludin said:

(guys this must be the new leftist buzz word of the month bloviating). they seem to need a new buzz word every week or so or for
some reason they think this actually makes an argument.

so here is the liberal rag of the salon saying that you are wrong like we knew you were.

Was the 2004 election stolen? No. | Salon.com

I scoured his Rolling Stone article for some novel story or statistic or theory that would prove, finally, that George W. Bush was not the true victor. But nothing here is new. If you've spent time on Democratic Underground or have read Mark Crispin Miller's "Fooled Again," you're already familiar with everything Kennedy has to say.

so he is even quoting your own book so let delve in shall we?

Worse, Kennedy relies on a band of researchers whose research on election fraud has long been called into question by experts. Especially in his section on Ohio's exit poll, Kennedy reports his sources' theories uncritically, even though many have been debunked, or have at least been the subject of tremendous debate among experts. Reading Kennedy's article, you'd never guess that some of his star sources' claims have fared quite badly when put to people in the field.

i am not going too far out to say that one of those researchers is your Mr. Freeman.

Now we get to the heart of your argument Exit polls are more reliable than counting actual votes : (lmao)
exit polls said there was 40 blue marbles but when we counted them there was 60 blue marbles. the counts are wrong even though there are 60 blue marbles right here. lmao anyway.

Claim: Exit polls are usually accurate.



The ACE Project, a group that advises democracies on how to conduct elections that is spearheaded by, among other groups, the United Nations, says this of exit polling:
"Their reliability can be questionable. One might think that there is no reason why voters in stable democracies should conceal or lie about how they have voted, especially because nobody is under any obligation to answer in an exit poll. But in practice they often do. The majority of exit polls carried out in European countries over the past years have been failures."

So there goes your biggest source propping up your argument that the UN uses them to monitor elections. lmao

your next failure of an argument and conspiracy theory.

Claim: The exit polls showed an insurmountable Kerry lead, one that made a Bush win impossible.

Reality: Kennedy is right that the polls in battleground states showed Kerry ahead. What he fails to say is that in many states, the exits didn't show Kerry ahead by the margin of error, meaning, statistically, that his lead wasn't secure. Way back in December of 2004, pollster Mark Blumenthal pointed out the key fact in this debate. Of the ten battleground states that the exit poll showed Kerry winning, he ultimately lost four -- states that, you could say, cost him the election. These were Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico. But in none of those states was Kerry's lead outside the poll's margin of error.

OOOO an here we go with your boy Freeman.

As for Freeman's 660,000 to 1 statistic, it is irrelevant. (His comment to Kennedy -- "As much as we can say in sound science that something is impossible..." -- appears almost verbatim in the paper he put out in December 2004; I included it in a story on exit polling a year and a half ago.) The statistic measures the probability that the errors in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida occurred due to chance or random error, and according to Freeman, that probability is very low. But nobody argues the errors happened by chance. Everyone in the exit poll debate agrees that there was a systematic cause for the errors in the poll. Freeman, Kennedy, et al., claim that the systematic cause was fraud, while Mitofsky and many in the polling community claim the cause was a problem with the poll. So Freeman's argument that it would take preposterous odds to produce a random sampling error is a straw-man assertion.


Facts do not care about your feelings.

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Like I said -- you're a know-it-all who knows more than MIT statisticians like Dr. Freeman. It's laughable. You're the only one who can't control your feelings. Quite frankly, this shows a total lack of maturity on your part.

And the exit polls most definitely did show an insurmountable lead for Kerry in Ohio, Nevada, and New Mexico. Dr. Freeman discusses this in his book. And Mitofsky has never been able to provide an ounce of evidence that the exit polls were wrong. Neither has Blumenthal. Dr. Freeman also discusses this in his book.

I did not mention RFK Jr.'s Rolling Stone article. So I don't even know why you posted all of that blather from Salon. That Rolling Stone article was not about exit polls. It was about how Ohio Secretary State Ken Blackwell stole Ohio for Bush.

Visbek said:

Sorry, but that's not how it works.

They aren't testing random samples of the population. They're almost exclusively testing people who show symptoms, or who have come into direct contact with someone who tested positive.

As I type this, the US currently has around 140,000 confirmed cases. There are certainly more cases out there, but we're not off by over 34 million.

Let's not jump the gun, OK?

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Exactly, and I wanted to emphasize some key points:

There is an approximate two-week ASYMPTOMATIC INCUBATION PERIOD, thus the reason why only testing those with symptoms is dangerous.
Since so many are walking around asymptomatic, one should assume that almost everyone is being exposed, thus almost EVERYONE MUST BE TESTED for exposure, regardless of how they feel. Asymptomatic persons shed virus pretty much the same way as those with symptoms.

I'm sure you agree that this one major point, that of the asymptomatic incubation period, is being IGNORED by the Trump administration, and ignoring that point is contributing to the rise of cases.

Lastly, it is foolish when anyone attempts to compare the death figures to cold or flu, because to do so ignores the number of cases of people who are sick and hospitalized with the virus. Many of them are on ventilators, often for a couple of weeks, many of them have sustained serious injury and damage to their vital organs, and these patients are stressing our healthcare facilities beyond the breaking point.
So while it is easy to laugh off the death figures as being no greater than seasonal flu, when is the last time a seasonal flu put hundreds of thousands in the ICU for a few weeks, all at the same time?

It's like saying that the Daytona 500 only killed one driver one year when they had a massive crash, but you ignore the 38 other drivers who might have been seriously injured in that crash. What, they don't count because they didn't all die?
Absurd.

Taylor said:

Why do you think it will take until May or June to reach a peak?

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Because George Soros and Hillary Clinton need that much lead time to assemble their deep state army of America-hating Democrats and librul meda to fudge up the numbers and scare Donald Trump into resigning, so that they can go back to operating their pizza parlor full of child sex slaves.

Didn't you get the memo??

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Because George Soros and Hillary Clinton need that much lead time to assemble their deep state army of America-hating Democrats and librul meda to fudge up the numbers and scare Donald Trump into resigning, so that they can go back to operating their pizza parlor full of child sex slaves.

Didn't you get the memo??

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Ah, so not based on what any actual epidemiologists have suggested, which is a peak in April.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

Like I said -- you're a know-it-all who knows more than MIT statisticians like Dr. Freeman. It's laughable. You're the only one who can't control your feelings. Quite frankly, this shows a total lack of maturity on your part.

And the exit polls most definitely did show an insurmountable lead for Kerry in Ohio, Nevada, and New Mexico. Dr. Freeman discusses this in his book. And Mitofsky has never been able to provide an ounce of evidence that the exit polls were wrong. Neither has Blumenthal. Dr. Freeman also discusses this in his book.

I did not mention RFK Jr.'s Rolling Stone article. So I don't even know why you posted all of that blather from Salon. That Rolling Stone article was not about exit polls. It was about how Ohio Secretary State Ken Blackwell stole Ohio for Bush.

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Yeah, its called the election. The election results were the proof the exit polls were wrong.

OpportunityCost said:

Yeah, its called the election. The election results were the proof the exit polls were wrong.

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Yeah, cheating never ever occurs in elections. Childish drivel.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

Yeah, cheating never ever occurs in elections. Childish drivel.

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And people never lie to pollsters. The actual evidence of whether polling is accurate or not is the election itself. Polling that is off by 10% to 20% isn't accurate at all and goes well beyond the cheating excuse. You are into CT land with your approach to this.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

Like I said -- you're a know-it-all who knows more than MIT statisticians like Dr. Freeman. It's laughable. You're the only one who can't control your feelings. Quite frankly, this shows a total lack of maturity on your part.
This folks is what we call a denial fallacy. I am not saying I am a know it all. The article is saying that Mr. Freeman is wrong. Why? because he uses a strawman argument to support what he says.
This folks is the typical response from a leftist who has been solidly defeated with facts. As you can note he never addresses a single fact that was posted instead he ad hominems. This is how you know when you
have a leftist in a corner.

And the exit polls most definitely did show an insurmountable lead for Kerry in Ohio, Nevada, and New Mexico. Dr. Freeman discusses this in his book.

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You didn't read the article did you? why is that? It explains to you why this is the case? Your first argument was completely destroyed in which you claimed
that Exit Polls are accurate. They are not accurate and in fact they are highly inaccurate.

Next the article explains why it showed Kerry in the lead but where he was in the lead guess what? it was within the margin of error and there was poll bias introduced as well.
What's more, these numbers are not set in stone. That's because, as Mitofsky has pointed out, it's not possible to measure the actual completion rate by Kerry voters and by Bush voters. (When someone refuses to talk to a pollster, it's not possible to say whether he was a Bush voter or Kerry voter.) Mitofsky says that a hypothetical completion rate of 50 percent for Bush voters and 56 percent for Kerry voters would have led to the error we saw in the poll. In other words, Kerry voters were very slightly more likely to talk to pollsters than were Bush voters.

According to Mitofsky, interviewers assigned to talk to voters as they left the polls appeared to be slightly more inclined to seek out Kerry voters than Bush voters. Kerry voters were thus overrepresented in the poll by a small margin.

There is nothing that suggests that freeman overturns this logical based argument and it is an issue in polls all the time if you look at poll sample data.

And Mitofsky has never been able to provide an ounce of evidence that the exit polls were wrong. Neither has Blumenthal. Dr. Freeman also discusses this in his book.

I did not mention RFK Jr.'s Rolling Stone article. So I don't even know why you posted all of that blather from Salon. That Rolling Stone article was not about exit polls. It was about how Ohio Secretary State Ken Blackwell stole Ohio for Bush.

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The reason i mention this is teh RFK uses YOUR own SOURCE. I even quoted it in the response. Mr. Freeman is mentioned here plenty of times as he is part of the conspiracy theory group.
The article addresses this argument as well if you had read it but you didn't read it because like all leftist you hate facts.

Scrubbing the voting rolls of people who hadn't voted in prior elections isn't an arbitrary move. It's the law. Here's the relevant section of the Ohio code, 3503.19, which states that a person who "fails to vote in any election during the period of two federal elections" shall have his registration "canceled." To be sure, people who intended to vote and weren't aware of this rule could have been cut from the rolls, and you might say that's unfair. But that's an argument for a better election law, and not proof that the purges were part of a Republican election-theft plot.

As to Kennedy's argument that Republicans deliberately engineered the long lines, he's on pretty shaky ground. To be sure, there is ample evidence that election officials throughout the state failed to respond to the surge in voter registration seen in the 2004 race. But it is far more accurate to see their actions as part of a larger picture of incompetence in the midst of massive changes in election procedures -- especially changes in voting technology -- than as part of a GOP plot. Kennedy elides the fact that in Ohio, decisions about voting-machine allocation and precinct location are determined by local boards of elections, which are bipartisan; any Republican effort to allocate machines in a way meant to harm Democrats would have necessarily involved Democratic officials.

Your lies are just that lies and they have been exposed. YOur conspiracy theory author has been shot down like all conspiracy theory authors are.
You are like the tower truthers that claims the buildings fell due to nano-thermite when it is mathematically impossible for that to happen.

OpportunityCost said:

And people never lie to pollsters. The actual evidence of whether polling is accurate or not is the election itself. Polling that is off by 10% to 20% isn't accurate at all and goes well beyond the cheating excuse. You are into CT land with your approach to this.

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YOu should read the article i posted from the salon no less so he can't claim right wing bias. it destroys all of his arguments including those from his main source Dr. Freeman.

1. Exit polls are not accurate in fact based on democrat expert pollsters they are highly inaccurate.
2. Even the main company that the UN uses to monitor exit polls says they are a complete failure
3. All of Mr. Freeman's analysis are completely debunked by outside outside sources.
4. It is sure as hell obvious that Kerry has never taken a course in calculus statistics in his life.

OpportunityCost said:

Yeah, its called the election. The election results were the proof the exit polls were wrong.

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It isn't the first time exit polls have been wrong either. You would think after 2000 the florida poll debacle that people would pay
more close attention to what these poll people are doing.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Exactly, and I wanted to emphasize some key points:

There is an approximate two-week ASYMPTOMATIC INCUBATION PERIOD, thus the reason why only testing those with symptoms is dangerous.
Since so many are walking around asymptomatic, one should assume that almost everyone is being exposed, thus almost EVERYONE MUST BE TESTED for exposure, regardless of how they feel. Asymptomatic persons shed virus pretty much the same way as those with symptoms.

I'm sure you agree that this one major point, that of the asymptomatic incubation period, is being IGNORED by the Trump administration, and ignoring that point is contributing to the rise of cases.

Lastly, it is foolish when anyone attempts to compare the death figures to cold or flu, because to do so ignores the number of cases of people who are sick and hospitalized with the virus. Many of them are on ventilators, often for a couple of weeks, many of them have sustained serious injury and damage to their vital organs, and these patients are stressing our healthcare facilities beyond the breaking point.
So while it is easy to laugh off the death figures as being no greater than seasonal flu, when is the last time a seasonal flu put hundreds of thousands in the ICU for a few weeks, all at the same time?

It's like saying that the Daytona 500 only killed one driver one year when they had a massive crash, but you ignore the 38 other drivers who might have been seriously injured in that crash. What, they don't count because they didn't all die?
Absurd.

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The issue is you can't test everyone. It is not possible.
1. There are people that you simply can't get to.
2. There are people like the homeless in CA that are just everywhere and you have no idea where they are at.
3. There are simply not enough test kits and they cannot make them fast enough.
4. Even if you could test them all there is not the lab volume to get the results back in a timely manner.

Yes if you are South Korea and your population is defined to a very small area and you have millions of test kits from the last time china let a plague loose
on the world then you can more effectively maintain it. Also Korea implemented very draconian policies and had the military on the street arresting people.

YOu guys scream and rant and yell if trump mentions shutting down 1 international flight.
You would be yelling your head off if trump ordered the national guard to do what they did in Korea or china.

OpportunityCost said:

And people never lie to pollsters. The actual evidence of whether polling is accurate or not is the election itself. Polling that is off by 10% to 20% isn't accurate at all and goes well beyond the cheating excuse. You are into CT land with your approach to this.

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Telephone polls are not the same as exit polls. You know absolutely nothing.

ludin said:

You didn't read the article did you? why is that? It explains to you why this is the case? Your first argument was completely destroyed in which you claimed
that Exit Polls are accurate. They are not accurate and in fact they are highly inaccurate.



According to Mitofsky, interviewers assigned to talk to voters as they left the polls appeared to be slightly more inclined to seek out Kerry voters than Bush voters. Kerry voters were thus overrepresented in the poll by a small margin.

There is nothing that suggests that freeman overturns this logical based argument and it is an issue in polls all the time if you look at poll sample data.

And Mitofsky has never been able to provide an ounce of evidence that the exit polls were wrong. Neither has Blumenthal. Dr. Freeman also discusses this in his book.


The reason i mention this is teh RFK uses YOUR own SOURCE. I even quoted it in the response. Mr. Freeman is mentioned here plenty of times as he is part of the conspiracy theory group.
The article addresses this argument as well if you had read it but you didn't read it because like all leftist you hate facts.

Scrubbing the voting rolls of people who hadn't voted in prior elections isn't an arbitrary move. It's the law. Here's the relevant section of the Ohio code, 3503.19, which states that a person who "fails to vote in any election during the period of two federal elections" shall have his registration "canceled." To be sure, people who intended to vote and weren't aware of this rule could have been cut from the rolls, and you might say that's unfair. But that's an argument for a better election law, and not proof that the purges were part of a Republican election-theft plot.

As to Kennedy's argument that Republicans deliberately engineered the long lines, he's on pretty shaky ground. To be sure, there is ample evidence that election officials throughout the state failed to respond to the surge in voter registration seen in the 2004 race. But it is far more accurate to see their actions as part of a larger picture of incompetence in the midst of massive changes in election procedures -- especially changes in voting technology -- than as part of a GOP plot. Kennedy elides the fact that in Ohio, decisions about voting-machine allocation and precinct location are determined by local boards of elections, which are bipartisan; any Republican effort to allocate machines in a way meant to harm Democrats would have necessarily involved Democratic officials.

Your lies are just that lies and they have been exposed. YOur conspiracy theory author has been shot down like all conspiracy theory authors are.
You are like the tower truthers that claims the buildings fell due to nano-thermite when it is mathematically impossible for that to happen.

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Simply not true. I've read RFK Jr.'s Rolling Stone article more than once. It's an excellent article, you obviously haven't read it. The first page of the article is about exit polls. The rest of the article is about how Ken Blackwell stole the election in Ohio for Trump.

The stuff that you posted is nothing but opinions. There is not a shred of evidence that exit polling is inaccurate in anything you posted. Absolutely none. All you did was post a bunch of opinions by professional pollsters, trying to save face. They were too cowardly to speak up after the election and state the truth -- that Ohio was stolen from Kerry. If you read interviews with Mitofsky, he will admit that he has no evidence that the exit polls in the 2004 election were flawed.

However, as RFK Jr. points out in the Rolling Stone article (which you have not read), there was plenty of evidence of cheating in Ohio in 2004. For example, a Democrat female lesbian judge running statewide in Ohio, who supported gay marriage, somehow got more votes statewide than Kerry during the 2004 election. That is simply impossible. A lower ticket candidate from the same party NEVER outperforms a Presidential candidate. It does not happen. That is a dead giveaway that thousands of votes were taken from Kerry.

In addition, Dr. Freeman's book about the 2004 election exit polls has been peer reviewed. Nobody has found any fault with it. The statistical odds that Bush legitimately won Ohio are literally a million to one. The original exit polls stated that Kerry won 54% - 45% in Ohio. No one has been able to refute that. That is NOT within the margin of error, as you foolishly stated. This is one reason all the major networks stated on election night at 8 pm EST that Kerry was going to win based on the exit polls, including your precious Fox News.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

I'm not going to take this opportunity to bash Trump, although he certainly deserves it. His response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been criminally slow, incompetent, and inexcusable. I'll save the bashing of that disgrace for other threads.

I'm just going to focus on the number of deaths this country is going to face this year from this pandemic.

During Trump's press conference tonight, the Coast Guard Admiral mentioned that approximately 900,000 Americans have been tested so far. Out of that 900,000 Americans, approximately 137,000 Americans have tested positive for the virus. That is a positive test rate of approximately 15%.

For the sake of argument, let's make a conservative estimate and say that only 10% of Americans nationwide currently have COVID-19. There are approximately 350 million Americans in this country. That means at least 35 million Americans already have COVID-19.

Out of those 35 million Americans, let's make a conservative estimate that only 2% of those 35 million Americans die. That's 700,000 Americans that are going to die no matter what else we do, from this day forward.

Since many states still have not strictly enforced social distancing, thousands more Americans are still going to catch the virus and die this year. Therefore, the total death toll will be over 1 million Americans by the end of the year, possibly a lot more than that.

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Your methodology is corrupt.

The folks getting tested are folks with symptoms.

Folks with no symptoms are not being tested.

Your base assumptions are wrong. Everything you pile on that base is wrong.

At Least 1 Million Americans Are Going to Die from Coronavirus This Year

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Well, we're not off to a good start because we're only at 3,000 deaths

Luther said:

Well, we're not off to a good start because we're only at 3,000 deaths

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Yeah, maybe. We might not hit 1 million until next year.

ludin said:

It isn't the first time exit polls have been wrong either. You would think after 2000 the florida poll debacle that people would pay
more close attention to what these poll people are doing.

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The 2000 exit polls in Florida were correct, too. Gore did win Florida by 7%. That's why the networks originally called Florida for Gore on election night.

Republicans cheat. It's what they do.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

Yeah, maybe. We might not hit 1 million until next year.

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Nah.... the Flu season normally ends in April. Sometimes it can go to May

Oh yes "might"(LOL)

Luther said:

Nah.... the Flu season normally ends in April. Sometimes it can go to May

Oh yes "might"(LOL)

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"might" next year as opposed to this year. But I suspect we will reach that milestone. Too many stupid governors out there doing too many stupid things. And Trump is always reliable to make several horrible decisions as well.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

Telephone polls are not the same as exit polls. You know absolutely nothing.

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It appears what you do know is wrong so...

Exit polls or telephone polls, people still lie to pollsters and the only data to truly gauge their accuracy is the election results. Whether you think an election is rigged or not is irrelevant, you have provided no evidence it was other than polling data which has been shown over and over to be flawed, so catch 22 it is, then.

ludin said:

YOu should read the article i posted from the salon no less so he can't claim right wing bias. it destroys all of his arguments including those from his main source Dr. Freeman.

1. Exit polls are not accurate in fact based on democrat expert pollsters they are highly inaccurate.
2. Even the main company that the UN uses to monitor exit polls says they are a complete failure
3. All of Mr. Freeman's analysis are completely debunked by outside outside sources.
4. It is sure as hell obvious that Kerry has never taken a course in calculus statistics in his life.

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I already know, polling is trying to predict human behavior and we all know that's near impossible with even 90% accuracy.

Lutherf said:

Why bother being conservative? The objective is to get everyone to panic so that they call for universal government control and, since Trump sucks, that government should be a world government led, preferably, by an gender ambiguous person of an unidentifiable non-white skin tone.

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The objective is to save lives and this is not the time for you to freak out and spout ridiculous conspiracy theories. We know you guys are paranoid as hell but try to keep calm. You are right about having the wrong leader for this but we will fix that in November.

ludin said:

The issue is you can't test everyone. It is not possible.

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---We can test thousands of times more people than we are testing.
There is a two week ASYMPTOMATIC INCUBATION period that current test guidelines are ignoring, which is dangerous.
Want this nightmare to keep going indefinitely? Keep ignoring that FACT, see where it gets you.
Asymptomatic people shed virus just as much as sick people.
You cannot argue with that fact, it's just a FACT.
We HAVE TO test thousands of times MORE people. FACT.

ludin said:

1. There are people that you simply can't get to.
2. There are people like the homeless in CA that are just everywhere and you have no idea where they are at.

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---Now you're just excusing the Trump administration's two month ham handed dismissal of the crisis and blaming it on homeless people. Good job!! And...extra points for acting like homelessness is only a problem in CA (or "blue states")
You can STFU with that nonsense, too.

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3. There are simply not enough test kits and they cannot make them fast enough.
4. Even if you could test them all there is not the lab volume to get the results back in a timely manner.

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---That's because we've been "drowning government in the bathtub" ever since you folks started your little Ayn Rand circle jerk.

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Yes if you are South Korea and your population is defined to a very small area and you have millions of test kits from the last time china let a plague loose
on the world then you can more effectively maintain it.

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---We were a lot more LIKE South Korea before we allowed cons to dismantle and decapitate agency funding that kept us better prepared.
And I will ignore your fake Fox News "blame it on Obama" debunked CT nonsense, so don't even try.

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Also Korea implemented very draconian policies and had the military on the street arresting people.

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---Awwww...:violin
Yeah, sometimes drastic situations require drastic measures. We SHOULD be taking draconian steps, unless of course you want this crap to keep going for another three months, another year, another two years.
You probably don't even believe it's real anyway, with your flu nonsense. Flu doesn't put hundreds of thousands of people on ventilators, so throwing out flu fatality numbers is pointless.

ludin said:

YOu guys scream and rant and yell if trump mentions shutting down 1 international flight.
You would be yelling your head off if trump ordered the national guard to do what they did in Korea or china.

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Do me a favor, before you start your ugly cry, blaming everyone else for Trump's ineptitude...DON'T.
It isn't working.
I pray for the day I finally see the National Guard setting up a testing center in the HS parking lot across the street from where we live.

Kerry Won Ohio said:

I'm not going to take this opportunity to bash Trump, although he certainly deserves it. His response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been criminally slow, incompetent, and inexcusable. I'll save the bashing of that disgrace for other threads.

I'm just going to focus on the number of deaths this country is going to face this year from this pandemic.

During Trump's press conference tonight, the Coast Guard Admiral mentioned that approximately 900,000 Americans have been tested so far. Out of that 900,000 Americans, approximately 137,000 Americans have tested positive for the virus. That is a positive test rate of approximately 15%.

For the sake of argument, let's make a conservative estimate and say that only 10% of Americans nationwide currently have COVID-19. There are approximately 350 million Americans in this country. That means at least 35 million Americans already have COVID-19.

Out of those 35 million Americans, let's make a conservative estimate that only 2% of those 35 million Americans die. That's 700,000 Americans that are going to die no matter what else we do, from this day forward.

Since many states still have not strictly enforced social distancing, thousands more Americans are still going to catch the virus and die this year. Therefore, the total death toll will be over 1 million Americans by the end of the year, possibly a lot more than that.

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You extrapolated the people who have been tested to the entire population to derive a nationwide infection rate, this is an unwarranted extrapolation and ruins your calculation.