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Could President Trump Have Really Done Something about the virus outbreak?

Dayton3

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I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
 
It's this just another round of excuses for Trump's failure as a leader in a time of crisis? Seems so.
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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Why is that so hard to understand?

TDS gets in the way.
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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He was briefed on it back in december and january. Imagine he had put together plans for getting tests out quickly, emergency plans for the production of ventilators and PPE etc back then.

You are just hand waiving this as though theres nothing he could have done. Thats horse ****.

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Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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He couldn't have done anything....because he is too stupid
 
More apologetics by the cult for their awful cult leader....I guess the cult still has the OP in its clutches...
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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First, while these are all true, none of these are excuses for Trump to have sat on his hands. These are post hoc excuses to try and justify his inaction after the fact. I have said before on multiple threads: what he could have and should have done from the beginning once this was smack-dab on his radar back in mid-January was ask Congress for funding to rebuild the Federal emergency supply stockpile, and probably have the CDC and start accepting applications for pandemic control experts.
 
But he didn't.
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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Right on the money.

Back in January everyone was focused on Impeachment. The issue in China was second-string news.

Yet Trump did take some steps, which were labeled "racist," and extreme or unnecessary by the Democrats and Left at the time.

Meanwhile he has never had dictatorial powers, and had he tried to use the option of those "emergency powers" we see in play now back then? IMO he would have been pilloried by those same anti-Administration groups.

I agree that he did the best he could under the circumstances, and the negative commentary of "what he should have done" is just hindsight 20/20 armchair Quarterbacking today.
 
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Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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Factually, impeachment did not end until his acquittal on February 5. There is really nothing Trump could have done differently because of the way our medical system is cobbled together.
 
The whole world could have done more, including Trump. what is starling about his lack of action is the dangers were already very apparent while he was still claiming 'nobody knows'. By late January some places were already going into lockdown and countries were getting scared. Here's a Vox article from a few weeks ago outlining some of the missed opportunities.

Acknowledging the threat
Quicker testing and quarantine
Quicker and wider lockdown
Using executive power to get medical supplies
Enforced isolation
Better prep for the economic impact (quicker stimulus, less focus on Wall St, etc)
Mobilizing more federal resources faster (FEMA, etc)
Again - acknowledging

The single biggest one was acknowledging and responding appropriately instead of downplaying and half measures while hoping it will go on its own. And the disinformation - Trump has spread so many falsehoods now he really should have kept his mouth shut and followed more expert advice and fewer hunches.

No it's not all on him, and he wasn't the first. but he dropped the ball when it was passed to him. Then kept fumbling and was too slow to pick it up, because he didn't realize perhaps he'd dropped it.
 
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beefheart said:
More apologetics by the cult for their awful cult leader....I guess the cult still has the OP in its clutches...
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If you've read my posts in the past you know that by no reasonable standard am I a member of a "Trump cult".
 
Captain Adverse said:
Right on the money.

Back in January everyone was focused on Impeachment. The issue in China was second-string news.

Yet Trump did take some steps, which were labeled "racist," and extreme or unnecessary by the Democrats and Left at the time.

Meanwhile he has never had dictatorial powers, and had he tried to use the option of those "emergency powers" we see in play now back then? IMO he would have been pilloried by those same anti-Administration groups.

I agree that he did the best he could under the circumstances, and the negative commentary of "what he should have done" is just hindsight 20/20 armchair Quarterbacking today.
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Oh get off it, Jesus Christ and you wonder why you’re called a cult when he stupidly said **** like, it would go to zero and “we won early”.

He did slash the CDC budget and did get rid of the pandemic response team and did not take it seriously until it was clear how much of a problem it was.

It is nonsense to say “he did the best he could”.

If that’s your bar, you have no bar at all, but we already knew that didn’t we?
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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Of course all reasonable people understand this. But politics being what it is, many will go to their graves with their tribal talking points, both left and right.
 
Dayton3 said:
If you've read my posts in the past you know that by no reasonable standard am I a member of a "Trump cult".
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You didn't seethe with hatred of the man or even ostracize him in your whole post - to a TDSer, that means you have been a cultist since birth
 
Ikari said:
It's this just another round of excuses for Trump's failure as a leader in a time of crisis? Seems so.
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Trump acted like he was the guy who was going to fix everything. He was even going to make those black SOBs stand up for the national anthem. Now, the he takes no responsibility for the pandemic. It's completely out of his control... I don't think so. He could do more about the pandemic than he can about black people taking a knee.
 
The thing I like to ask is this:

If the U.S. was struck by a giant meteorite and thousands of Americans were killed, should President Trump be blamed for that?

A) Scientists have warned about the possibility of a strike from an object from space for years.
B) Objects from space have struck the continental U.S. before (look at Meteor Crater if you doubt me).
C) Objects from space have caused damage on Earth within peoples current memory (the meteor that exploded over Russia in 2013 and injured hundreds for example).

My point being that all the "President Trump was warned about the danger of a pandemic" apply equally to a lethal impact of a meteorite. Yet I doubt even Trump haters would blame him if a meteorite blasted a big chunk out of the U.S. and killed thousands or millions.
 
SheWolf said:
Trump acted like he was the guy who was going to fix everything
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Every president in my memory has done that with the possible exception of Gerald Ford who never expected to be president. I'm not meaning to attack Obama but I'm pretty sure he flat out said that he would deal with manmade made climate change. Which is flat out impossible for one nation (even the U.S.) to do.
 
Dayton3 said:
Every president in my memory has done that with the possible exception of Gerald Ford who never expected to be president. I'm not meaning to attack Obama but I'm pretty sure he flat out said that he would deal with manmade made climate change. Which is flat out impossible for one nation (even the U.S.) to do.
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Trump said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Is that a promise that should be taken seriously? His promises were ridiculous
 
Dayton3 said:
I'm not talking about three years ago when it was claimed that President Trump got rid of two of the people who were experts on pandemics. It is very easy to say a president should've done something years ago about a problem today.


I'm talking about back in January when the virus first began to emerge in the U.S. I say that President Trump could've done...nothing.


Why?


1) President Trump was just emerging from the impeachment battle and was very weak politically weak. You can't convince me that the Democratic house would've flocked to a Trumpian banner to fight COVID-19. In all likelihood they would've proclaimed he was merely trying to "Wag the Dog" (I hate that term and the movie it is based on) just as they did with the U.S. killing of the Iranian generaly.


2) President Trump does not have the dictatorial powers of the Chinese government. Thus there is no way he could've locked down portions of the U.S. like the Chinese did with the entire province where the virus emerged from.


3) Likewise the U.S. doesn't have the level of social trust that the South Koreans have. So if President Trump ask for voluntary action on the part of the American people to fight the virus two months ago, it is very unlikely he would've gotten it.


4) No mater what President Trump did or attempted to do back in January regarding the Corona virus, in all likelihood many Americans (probably thousands) would've died.


Why is that so hard to understand?​
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You know what Trump had the power to do? Not downplay this and keep saying it would magically go away. A real leader doesn't say he isn't responsible for anything. A real leader takes the advice of the CDC and health experts and not downplay their advice. Trump is no leader, Trump supporters are enablers of Trump being an idiot and Americans see this.
 
Maybe this makes a good case for why we should never elect a business person as President who doesn't know about politics.

If you don't like the way Trump the businessman is handling this situation then don't vote for him. And don't vote for any other business people either who don't know sh*t about politics. Especially ones who are billionaires.

As for how Trump is handling this thing, what did you expect? I think he's doing the best he has in him, good or bad. We got what we voted for.
 
roughdraft274 said:
He was briefed on it back in december and january. Imagine he had put together plans for getting tests out quickly, emergency plans for the production of ventilators and PPE etc back then.

You are just hand waiving this as though theres nothing he could have done. Thats horse ****.

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Because some folks were eating bat soup in China? :eek:
 
Did Trump slash the CDC budget?

Biden, Bloomberg 'both wrong' about Trump cutting CDC, NIH funding, AP fact check says
THE FACTS: They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased.
AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness - AP​

Proposed, but never implemented, apparently.

Coronavirus Enters the Campaign Bloodstream
House Democrats began airing digital ads this week against seven vulnerable Republicans, urging them to break with the White House to guarantee that an affordable coronavirus vaccine will be available.

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(As if anyone can possibly make that guarantee.)

Did Trump dissolve the WH pandemic response office?

8. Trump "dissolved" the WH pandemic response officeTwo days after Trump declared the coronavirus a national emergency, the Washington Post ran an opinion piece by Elizabeth Cameron, who ran the White House pandemic office under Obama, alleging that Trump had dissolved the office in 2018. She claimed because of this, “the federal government’s slow response to the coronavirus isn’t a surprise.”
This claim spread like wildfire, even though it was completely false. Days after WaPo ran the piece, they published another article by Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council, who debunked the allegation made by Cameron and other former Obama administration officials.

What good is there in spreading false information, as Elizabeth Cameron did? “This is Washington. It’s an election year,” Morrison laments. “Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.”
https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top-10-lies-about-president-trumps-response-to-the-coronavirus/
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So apparently not the case either. Oh my such honest media reporting we have (hardly the case).
So why are we still listening to these people and their politically motivated factual lies? (AKA political propaganda)

So, OK left, it's time to come down out of the tree and come back to facts for a change. :roll:
Times are serious and serious conversations needs to be had. You can opt out from these serious adult conversations if you keep up promulgating factual lies.
 
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