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Give Trump credit for being very successful with COVID-19

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His main goal has undoubtedly been to get the economy going as quickly as possible with a Nov election just around the corner. Sure, his racism and fear mongering work well with his base, and many seem to admire his "business acumen" for scamming children with cancer and stealing with cancer, but that is his base, and except in rare conditions, Trump represents their morals and values much too closely for them to leave him.

That leaves the independents, and Trump desperately needs a good economy. Surely one of the first questions Trump would have asked is "What is the quickest way to get the economy back on track?" The answer would have been: "Get this pandemic over as quickly as possible, and the quickest way to do that is to do nothing to stop it."

The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases - The New York Times
Following a series of missteps, the nation is now the epicenter of the pandemic.
...
A series of missteps and lost opportunities dogged the nation’s response.

Among them: a failure to take the pandemic seriously even as it engulfed China, a deeply flawed effort to provide broad testing for the virus that left the country blind to the extent of the crisis, and a dire shortage of masks and protective gear to protect doctors and nurses on the front lines, as well as ventilators to keep the critically ill alive.

“This could have been stopped by implementing testing and surveillance much earlier — for example, when the first imported cases were identified,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Which, surprise surprise, is exactly what we saw from the White House: The absolute minimum, including not taking the pandemic seriously (We still see members of his base pushing this narrative today on DP). So give Trump credit, he is doing what he needs to go give himself the best chance of winning in November.

Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health officials


Now we watch the American Healthcare system get overwhelmed, and people will now be dying because of Trump's decisions:
New York will allow two patients to share a single ventilator - CNN


Is it ultimately worth thousands, possibly tens of thousands or even more, of lives if it helps Trump get elected?
 
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His main goal has undoubtedly been to get the economy going as quickly as possible with a Nov election just around the corner. Sure, his racism and fear mongering work well with his base, and many seem to admire his "business acumen" for scamming children with cancer and stealing with cancer, but that is his base, and except in rare conditions, Trump represents their morals and values much too closely for them to leave him.

That leaves the independents, and Trump desperately needs a good economy. Surely one of the first questions Trump would have asked is "What is the quickest way to get the economy back on track?" The answer would have been: "Get this pandemic over as quickly as possible, and the quickest way to do that is to do nothing to stop it."

The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases - The New York Times
Following a series of missteps, the nation is now the epicenter of the pandemic.
...
A series of missteps and lost opportunities dogged the nation’s response.

Among them: a failure to take the pandemic seriously even as it engulfed China, a deeply flawed effort to provide broad testing for the virus that left the country blind to the extent of the crisis, and a dire shortage of masks and protective gear to protect doctors and nurses on the front lines, as well as ventilators to keep the critically ill alive.

“This could have been stopped by implementing testing and surveillance much earlier — for example, when the first imported cases were identified,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Which, surprise surprise, is exactly what we saw from the White House: The absolute minimum, including not taking the pandemic seriously (We still see members of his base pushing this rhetoric today on DP). So give Trump credit, he is doing what he needs to go give himself the best chance of winning in November. Is it worth it to have thousands, possibly tens of thousands or even more, of extra deaths to help Trump get elected?

WHO chief praises Trump’s coronavirus ‘leadership’
 
How, exactly, did Trump prevent any state/local government from "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier"? It seems that you give a pass to executives at all other levels of government which you refuse to give Trump, while openly admitting that Trump (just like like those other government executives?) was hesitant (for quite some time) to take actions that would be economically harmful.

While I agree that "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier" was the right call - Trump was far from alone in not having done so.
 
His main goal has undoubtedly been to get the economy going as quickly as possible with a Nov election just around the corner. Sure, his racism and fear mongering work well with his base, and many seem to admire his "business acumen" for scamming children with cancer and stealing with cancer, but that is his base, and except in rare conditions, Trump represents their morals and values much too closely for them to leave him.

That leaves the independents, and Trump desperately needs a good economy. Surely one of the first questions Trump would have asked is "What is the quickest way to get the economy back on track?" The answer would have been: "Get this pandemic over as quickly as possible, and the quickest way to do that is to do nothing to stop it."

The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases - The New York Times
Following a series of missteps, the nation is now the epicenter of the pandemic.
...
A series of missteps and lost opportunities dogged the nation’s response.

Among them: a failure to take the pandemic seriously even as it engulfed China, a deeply flawed effort to provide broad testing for the virus that left the country blind to the extent of the crisis, and a dire shortage of masks and protective gear to protect doctors and nurses on the front lines, as well as ventilators to keep the critically ill alive.

“This could have been stopped by implementing testing and surveillance much earlier — for example, when the first imported cases were identified,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Which, surprise surprise, is exactly what we saw from the White House: The absolute minimum, including not taking the pandemic seriously (We still see members of his base pushing this narrative today on DP). So give Trump credit, he is doing what he needs to go give himself the best chance of winning in November.

Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health officials


Now we watch the American Healthcare system get overwhelmed, and people will now be dying because of Trump's decisions:
New York will allow two patients to share a single ventilator - CNN


Is it ultimately worth thousands, possibly tens of thousands or even more, of lives if it helps Trump get elected?

What has Trump ever said that makes you think he is doing anything regarding this virus or the economic impact of this virus for political purposes?

Are you, perhaps, projecting the attitude of the Democrats onto Trump?

After all, we have ample evidence that the Dems are doing things regarding the virus or the economic impact of the virus for political purposes, but I've seen nothing in this regard from Trump.
 
How, exactly, did Trump prevent any state/local government from "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier"?

So you agree on the first point, that Trump never took the virus seriously originally, a misstep?

It seems that you give a pass to executives at all other levels of government which you refuse to give Trump, while openly admitting that Trump (just like like those other government executives?) was hesitant (for quite some time) to take actions that would be economically harmful.

That's a Tu Quoque fallacy, this thread is about Trump and his actions. Please remain on topic, or start another thread, thanks.

While I agree that "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier" was the right call - Trump was far from alone in not having done so.

You don't think this had anything to do with it? Remember when American Conservatives used to tell us how important Personal Responsibility was? Me too, and we found out that was a lie for the vast majority. Where is Trump accepting responsibility, where is his base demanding that he accept responsibility for letting the CDC deteriorate under his leadership? Except for the rare breath of fresh air, all I hear is crickets.

PolitiFact | Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

Bloomberg said Trump is hampered in the fight against coronavirus because "No. 1, he fired the pandemic team two years ago. No. 2, he's been defunding Centers for Disease Control."

On the first point, it’s hard to pin down whether the National Security Council staffers were "fired" in 2018, but they certainly left abruptly and have not been replaced, though other leaders in the coronavirus fight have been named in recent days.
...
On the second point — funding — there’s no question that the Trump administration sought to cut key CDC budget categories that would be involved in emerging infections like coronavirus.

But Bloomberg overlooks that, thanks to Congress, that funding was restored and even increased in bills that were ultimately signed by Trump.



Thank you Congress!
 

Prodding and damning with faint praise.

Asked about Trump’s handling of the pandemic during a press conference Wednesday, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the crisis needed “leadership.”

“And that’s exactly what he is doing, which we appreciate. Because fighting this pandemic needs political commitment and commitment at the highest level possible,” Tedros said.

“But not only the whole-of-government approach, but the other [things] like expanding testing and the other recommendations we are making are also in play, and he takes that seriously and that is what we see.”
 
So you agree on the first point, that Trump never took the virus seriously originally, a misstep?



That's a Tu Quoque fallacy, this thread is about Trump and his actions. Please remain on topic, or start another thread, thanks.



You don't think this had anything to do with it? Remember when American Conservatives used to tell us how important Personal Responsibility was? Me too, and we found out that was a lie for the vast majority. Where is Trump accepting responsibility, where is his base demanding that he accept responsibility for letting the CDC deteriorate under his leadership? Except for the rare breath of fresh air, all I hear is crickets.

PolitiFact | Did Donald Trump fire pandemic officials, defund CDC?

Bloomberg said Trump is hampered in the fight against coronavirus because "No. 1, he fired the pandemic team two years ago. No. 2, he's been defunding Centers for Disease Control."

On the first point, it’s hard to pin down whether the National Security Council staffers were "fired" in 2018, but they certainly left abruptly and have not been replaced, though other leaders in the coronavirus fight have been named in recent days.
...
On the second point — funding — there’s no question that the Trump administration sought to cut key CDC budget categories that would be involved in emerging infections like coronavirus.

But Bloomberg overlooks that, thanks to Congress, that funding was restored and even increased in bills that were ultimately signed by Trump.



Thank you Congress!

Yes, I agree that Trump (like most other government executives) failed to take appropriate action in a timely manner. That you wish to make this a let's bash Trump only thread is sad. HAND
 
How, exactly, did Trump prevent any state/local government from "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier"? It seems that you give a pass to executives at all other levels of government which you refuse to give Trump, while openly admitting that Trump (just like like those other government executives?) was hesitant (for quite some time) to take actions that would be economically harmful.

While I agree that "implementing testing and surveillance much earlier" was the right call - Trump was far from alone in not having done so.

Incompetence is forgiven when it's shared?
 
LOL, you seriously think there is anyone in the international community who doesn't know you have to Brown Nose Trump? I realize he finds it ridiculously easy to con his base, but world leadership isn't so poorly educated.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

See post #6 for more.

And yet if the WHO chief condemned Trump, you'd be the first to cheer lead his response.

Carry on with spreading the :bs
 
i have no doubt that his first thought was about how it was going to affect his own $$$$$.
 
Not to mention praises from his more rabid critics like Gruesome Newsom

:lol: Every once in awhile Gruesome Newsom gets it right. Love the name... I call him Nutty Newsom. ;)
 
Give Trump's advisors the credit for any success.

If this had been Trump unreined, half of us would be dead by 1 June.
 
Okay. I'll give President Trump credit for helping to put the USA into the number one position as an epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic through his ignorance, his prevaricating and through his initial inaction to prepare for the crisis. I also give him credit for sending out mixed and contradictory messages to the American public concerning the disease and how to best manage it. I'll give him credit for trying to end the attempts to slow the spread of the disease by declaring the economy to be more important than containing the epidemic. Yes, he deserves a lot of credit, sort of like the Italian and Spanish authorities do for their parts in promoting the diseases spread.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
His main goal has undoubtedly been to get the economy going as quickly as possible with a Nov election just around the corner. Sure, his racism and fear mongering work well with his base, and many seem to admire his "business acumen" for scamming children with cancer and stealing with cancer, but that is his base, and except in rare conditions, Trump represents their morals and values much too closely for them to leave him.

That leaves the independents, and Trump desperately needs a good economy. Surely one of the first questions Trump would have asked is "What is the quickest way to get the economy back on track?" The answer would have been: "Get this pandemic over as quickly as possible, and the quickest way to do that is to do nothing to stop it."

The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases - The New York Times
Following a series of missteps, the nation is now the epicenter of the pandemic.
...
A series of missteps and lost opportunities dogged the nation’s response.

Among them: a failure to take the pandemic seriously even as it engulfed China, a deeply flawed effort to provide broad testing for the virus that left the country blind to the extent of the crisis, and a dire shortage of masks and protective gear to protect doctors and nurses on the front lines, as well as ventilators to keep the critically ill alive.

“This could have been stopped by implementing testing and surveillance much earlier — for example, when the first imported cases were identified,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Which, surprise surprise, is exactly what we saw from the White House: The absolute minimum, including not taking the pandemic seriously (We still see members of his base pushing this narrative today on DP). So give Trump credit, he is doing what he needs to go give himself the best chance of winning in November.

Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health officials


Now we watch the American Healthcare system get overwhelmed, and people will now be dying because of Trump's decisions:
New York will allow two patients to share a single ventilator - CNN


Is it ultimately worth thousands, possibly tens of thousands or even more, of lives if it helps Trump get elected?

The problem is that if we just shut off the economy for half a year that will destroy millions of jobs and thousands of businesses. This is worse than the virus itself. In fact, I think we should open things up now.
 
Yes, I agree that Trump (like most other government executives) failed to take appropriate action in a timely manner. That you wish to make this a let's bash Trump only thread is sad. HAND

This thread is about Trump's mishandling of the situation. The fact that you need to come here and use fallacious arguments in an attempt to deflect is what's sad. Very much so imo, I would have guessed you were better than that.

Now, can you please address the topic of the thread, which is the leader's (remember... personal responsibility..."The Buck Stops Here") use mishandling of the COVID-19 situation, and how that should benefit him in November, or go somewhere else to defend Trump. Thank you.
 
The problem is that if we just shut off the economy for half a year that will destroy millions of jobs and thousands of businesses. This is worse than the virus itself. In fact, I think we should open things up now.

So you see Trump's mishandling of the pandemic, and the resultant deaths, as a net positive for the USA. Is that correct?
 
Not to mention praises from his more rabid critics like Gruesome Newsom

LOL, oh noes....name calling. You must be a real debating force in the elementary schoolyard. You and Trump. :lamo
 
Is it ultimately worth thousands, possibly tens of thousands or even more, of lives if it helps Trump get elected?

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Nope, but it is also not ignored unless you are the evil orange man.

So again an attempt to deflect personal responsibility. Responsibility starts at the top. Americans used to know and understand that.
 
So you see Trump's mishandling of the pandemic, and the resultant deaths, as a net positive for the USA. Is that correct?

No, Trump made a huge mistake not trying to contain the virus early on through testing, and shutting down airports and the border. He was wrong to say that the virus was under control and no big deal. He also made no efforts to prevent medical shortages and get us ready. The problem with Trump is that he can't pick a side. Either lock everything down like China did, or keep it open. Anything in between allows the virus to spread and is still horribly damaging to the economy.
 
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