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China shows why we needed to shut it all down for a month!

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The USA has less than a quarter of the population of China and yet we have already surpassed them in the number of Covid 19 cases. Why, because they took the strong position from the start of shutting down for 30 days and now the number of new cases and deaths in China is minimal. Trump and many states have refused to do so and now both cases and deaths continue to climb. People say we should not force people to shut dwon that it is wrong, the peope must be free to do as they want in this country. I have always heard that in a democracy that one man's freedom ends at his neighbors door. In this situation, people should ban together to shut the whole country down for thirty days to get past the worst of this. If we do not we will continue the spiral of new cases and deaths until the virus stops on its own which may not happen for months if ever.
 
independentusa said:
The USA has less than a quarter of the population of China and yet we have already surpassed them in the number of Covid 19 cases. Why, because they took the strong position from the start of shutting down for 30 days and now the number of new cases and deaths in China is minimal. Trump and many states have refused to do so and now both cases and deaths continue to climb. People say we should not force people to shut dwon that it is wrong, the peope must be free to do as they want in this country. I have always heard that in a democracy that one man's freedom ends at his neighbors door. In this situation, people should ban together to shut the whole country down for thirty days to get past the worst of this. If we do not we will continue the spiral of new cases and deaths until the virus stops on its own which may not happen for months if ever.
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Trump tried to ban cruise lines, air flights and other things from china and other parts of the world infected.
people were let in anyway.

maybe next time they will listen instead of screaming about it.
 
And how are we to make that happen? How do we corral the egos? What is possible in China is impossible here.
 
independentusa said:
The USA has less than a quarter of the population of China and yet we have already surpassed them in the number of Covid 19 cases. Why, because they took the strong position from the start of shutting down for 30 days and now the number of new cases and deaths in China is minimal. Trump and many states have refused to do so and now both cases and deaths continue to climb. People say we should not force people to shut dwon that it is wrong, the peope must be free to do as they want in this country. I have always heard that in a democracy that one man's freedom ends at his neighbors door. In this situation, people should ban together to shut the whole country down for thirty days to get past the worst of this. If we do not we will continue the spiral of new cases and deaths until the virus stops on its own which may not happen for months if ever.
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No state should base its policies on a supposed Chinese model. Their numbers are likely to be inventions for propaganda purposes.
 
independentusa said:
The USA has less than a quarter of the population of China and yet we have already surpassed them in the number of Covid 19 cases. Why, because they took the strong position from the start of shutting down for 30 days and now the number of new cases and deaths in China is minimal. Trump and many states have refused to do so and now both cases and deaths continue to climb. People say we should not force people to shut dwon that it is wrong, the peope must be free to do as they want in this country. I have always heard that in a democracy that one man's freedom ends at his neighbors door. In this situation, people should ban together to shut the whole country down for thirty days to get past the worst of this. If we do not we will continue the spiral of new cases and deaths until the virus stops on its own which may not happen for months if ever.
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Don't you wish the above were accurate?
WHO chief praises Trump’s coronavirus ‘leadership’
 
ludin said:
Trump tried to ban cruise lines, air flights and other things from china and other parts of the world infected.
people were let in anyway.

maybe next time they will listen instead of screaming about it.
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Trump ignored US intelligence reports about coronavirus from January onwards.
 
ludin said:
Trump tried to ban cruise lines, air flights and other things from china and other parts of the world infected.
people were let in anyway.

maybe next time they will listen instead of screaming about it.
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Specifically screaming RACISM!!! - and still doing so, continuing to demand open borders to everyone on earth - including so we can then provide them free medical care and all the necessities of life at our expense and risk.
 
independentusa said:
The USA has less than a quarter of the population of China and yet we have already surpassed them in the number of Covid 19 cases. Why, because they took the strong position from the start of shutting down for 30 days and now the number of new cases and deaths in China is minimal. Trump and many states have refused to do so and now both cases and deaths continue to climb. People say we should not force people to shut dwon that it is wrong, the peope must be free to do as they want in this country. I have always heard that in a democracy that one man's freedom ends at his neighbors door. In this situation, people should ban together to shut the whole country down for thirty days to get past the worst of this. If we do not we will continue the spiral of new cases and deaths until the virus stops on its own which may not happen for months if ever.
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If the quarantine works those poor people who are ruined will begrudge the rest of the country for trying to save the few lives which are saved while throwing the lives of tens of millions of poor families into the impoverished ditch in the process.
 
ludin said:
Trump tried to ban cruise lines, air flights and other things from china and other parts of the world infected.
people were let in anyway.

maybe next time they will listen instead of screaming about it.
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Trump is the one that ardered the cruise ship to land in California. But shutting down incoming helped little. He had the ability to shut down the country for 30 days and will not do it. In fact he wants to open the whole thing up again, which will see the nmber of cases and deaths increase.
 
marke said:
If the quarantine works those poor people who are ruined will begrudge the rest of the country for trying to save the few lives which are saved while throwing the lives of tens of millions of poor families into the impoverished ditch in the process.
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Few lives? How many have to die for you to be satisfied? How many of your family members are you willing to give up? Oh yes, you are probably pro life!!!
 
independentusa said:
Few lives? How many have to die for you to be satisfied? How many of your family members are you willing to give up? Oh yes, you are probably pro life!!!
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Let's try to compromise here. How many people will still be exposed to infection when people are again allowed to go back to work to try to save our economy? 1,000? 1 million? How many deaths can we expect will continue to plague us after everybody goes back to work? Are you saying we should not go back to work as long as even one person is still at risk?
 
independentusa said:
Few lives? How many have to die for you to be satisfied? How many of your family members are you willing to give up? Oh yes, you are probably pro life!!!
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Not sure it is appropriate to threaten the lives of folks here.
 
marke said:
Let's try to compromise here. How many people will still be exposed to infection when people are again allowed to go back to work to try to save our economy? 1,000? 1 million? How many deaths can we expect will continue to plague us after everybody goes back to work? Are you saying we should not go back to work as long as even one person is still at risk?
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Apparently you do not know how this is happening. Try 100 million or more. For every one person who gets the Covid 19 virus, that person can give it to three. Those three then give it to three and those nine give it to 27 and hopdefully you get the message. THis is a very contagious virus so each person with the virus may give to more than three, the experts say up to 8. That is why you need to shut it down until those with the virus are no longer contagious which most experts say is between 25 and 30 days. That is what they did in China and now they are having fewer people getting the virus. And when they do get someone they isolate them right away. As long as we have states in the country where things are not shut down, the exponential grow of those infected will continue. So you ask when we can open things up, well if we had done this right away, instead of calling it a means for the Dems to go after Trump as Fox News did, things could have already gone back to a normal state of affairs.
 
marke said:
Let's try to compromise here. How many people will still be exposed to infection when people are again allowed to go back to work to try to save our economy? 1,000? 1 million? How many deaths can we expect will continue to plague us after everybody goes back to work? Are you saying we should not go back to work as long as even one person is still at risk?
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Answers to your questions can be found here: COVID-19 US state-by-state projections | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

Well, not really "answers," but rather projections based on sound science. Still, all the usual caveats regarding mere models as apposed to post-hoc statistics apply.

Looks like if everyone hunkers down appropriately, we'll lose around 80,000 citizens to the virus. It will be mostly over by early June. If we don't follow the recommendations, much worse.
 
ludin said:
Trump tried to ban cruise lines, air flights and other things from china and other parts of the world infected.
people were let in anyway.

maybe next time they will listen instead of screaming about it.
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His China travel restrictions were followed. Anyone "let in" was under his executive order guidance.

This is what happens when you listen.
 
independentusa said:
Few lives? How many have to die for you to be satisfied? How many of your family members are you willing to give up? Oh yes, you are probably pro life!!!
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How are his family members going to die? Without some order you'll going to knock on the doors of the elderly and cough on them? Lack of sufficient fear? People will track them down and break into their homes UNLESS there is a stay-at-home order? Unless the mechanic at the auto shop isn't laid off then he'll killed all the elderly at the nearby assisted living centers?

Your message makes no sense whatsoever - unless you are claiming it takes an order to stop you from engaging in unethical and dangerous conduct towards the elderly and others. Is that it?
 
marke said:
Let's try to compromise here. How many people will still be exposed to infection when people are again allowed to go back to work to try to save our economy? 1,000? 1 million? How many deaths can we expect will continue to plague us after everybody goes back to work? Are you saying we should not go back to work as long as even one person is still at risk?
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By their logic, no one should ever be allowed out of their homes until every harmful germ, virus, bacteria and fungus on earth has been eliminated to extinction in all of nature - and even then probably not because a new one might evolve.
 
jpn said:
Answers to your questions can be found here: COVID-19 US state-by-state projections | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

Well, not really "answers," but rather projections based on sound science. Still, all the usual caveats regarding mere models as apposed to post-hoc statistics apply.

Looks like if everyone hunkers down appropriately, we'll lose around 80,000 citizens to the virus. It will be mostly over by early June. If we don't follow the recommendations, much worse.
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Do you agree that any of these experts who significantly over project deaths should be fired and banned from government, university and research employment, with sufficient notice of this put online under their names so everyone knows they are a hack that never should be listened to again - don't you?
 
While I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of the situation in this nation, I have to say, I am less than sanguine about the veracity of China's COVID-19 statistics.
 
marke said:
If the quarantine works those poor people who are ruined will begrudge the rest of the country for trying to save the few lives which are saved while throwing the lives of tens of millions of poor families into the impoverished ditch in the process.
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And you are definitely not pro-life on abortion, correct?

I love that the whole narrative of 'deaths of the unborn' being paramount over the 'inconveniences' of poverty, loss of security, education, and jobs, health, etc of women' has taken a complete 180 all of a sudden. :roll:
 
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The thing about prevention is that it is impossible to prove what the death rate would have been without it.
 
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