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Biden's "accuser"

BrotherFease said:
To be honest Puigb, I don't see this as a serious story. Last year that woman accused Biden of making her uncomfortable, but fell short of accusing him of sexual assault. Now she's changed her tune. These "allegations" only came forward when Biden was viewed as a serious threat to win the presidency. File a complaint, show your evidence.
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Exactly. It came from the "Bernie Bro's" camp, and the alt-righters got a hold of it, and have been spreading it around the last couple of days. The "evidence" is flimsy, and the lady is a nut job. Does that means she's lying? Not necessarily, but it puts a whole lot of doubt in her story. And Biden doesn't have a history of this type of behavior, nor a laundry list of sexual assault allegations against him, like our current "stable genius" in office does.

It would be in the Republicans best interest not to make sexual assault a common topic in the 2020 general election, because considering who their president is, they will lose in that department. Republicans don't care about sexual assault obviously, but the rest of the country does I believe, even if GOP voters have lowered the bar dramatically.
 
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Puigb said:
Exactly. It came from the "Bernie Bro's" camp, and the alt-righters got a hold of it, and have been spreading it around the last couple of days. The "evidence" is flimsy, and the lady is a nut job. Does that means she's lying? Not necessarily, but it puts a whole lot of doubt in her story. And Biden doesn't have a history of this type of behavior, nor a laundry list of sexual assault allegations against him, like our current "stable genius" in office does.

It would be in the Republicans best interest not to make sexual assault a common topic in the 2020 general election, because considering who their president is, they will lose in that department. Republicans don't care about sexual assault obviously, but the rest of the country does I believe, even if GOP voters have lowered the bar dramatically.
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I will end my commentary on this thread by saying two things here. Both maybe seem a little unpopular and "un-woke":

1. Joe Biden has a reputation for being a close talker and getting "touchy" with people. As in, when he greets somebody, he's probably going to touch their shoulders or biceps. We have seen in the past of him, doing things such as giving women a kiss on the cheek, smelling their hair, making complaints about their looks, or touching their jewelry. None of these are sexual in nature. It's a sign of trying to make another person feel comfortable and accepted. Maybe the woman in question misinterpreted Biden's "advances". Back in April, early May when this was first announced, it didn't impact his poll numbers at all and none of the women who said anything pressed any charges. Biden himself promised that he would be more careful and respect boundaries more.

2. There's a double edged sword going on here. On one hand, people should speak out if they feel their rights were/are being violated. But on the other hand, you have to take everything with a bit of skepticism. If the person is simply making claiming and not backing it up or refusing to file a police report, it's hard to take it seriously, especially if they are running for high political office, up for a big award (Oscar, Golden Globe, Emmy, Grammy, Tony), or having a great sports season. The situation at hand is pivotal too.

Pretty much every President is going to be accused of SOMETHING terrible. That doesn't mean we should take it all seriously. And if you look at who's pushing these stories, it's the Bernie Bros allies and the Trumpists.
 
BrotherFease said:
I will end my commentary on this thread by saying two things here. Both maybe seem a little unpopular and "un-woke":

1. Joe Biden has a reputation for being a close talker and getting "touchy" with people. As in, when he greets somebody, he's probably going to touch their shoulders or biceps. We have seen in the past of him, doing things such as giving women a kiss on the cheek, smelling their hair, making complaints about their looks, or touching their jewelry. None of these are sexual in nature. It's a sign of trying to make another person feel comfortable and accepted. Maybe the woman in question misinterpreted Biden's "advances". Back in April, early May when this was first announced, it didn't impact his poll numbers at all and none of the women who said anything pressed any charges. Biden himself promised that he would be more careful and respect boundaries more.

2. There's a double edged sword going on here. On one hand, people should speak out if they feel their rights were/are being violated. But on the other hand, you have to take everything with a bit of skepticism. If the person is simply making claiming and not backing it up or refusing to file a police report, it's hard to take it seriously, especially if they are running for high political office, up for a big award (Oscar, Golden Globe, Emmy, Grammy, Tony), or having a great sports season. The situation at hand is pivotal too.

Pretty much every President is going to be accused of SOMETHING terrible. That doesn't mean we should take it all seriously. And if you look at who's pushing these stories, it's the Bernie Bros allies and the Trumpists.
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I just find it interesting that last year she didn't specifically say he sexually assaulted her, and this year suddenly came forward with some story changes, right around the exact same time Bernie's status as the "front runner" started to rapidly go down hill...
 
Puigb said:
It's an objective fact that any problems Biden has are 100X worse than Trump. That wouldn't have been the case with say, a President Rubio or John Kasich. But a President Trump? Guy has lost several marbles over the years.
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"It's an objective fact that any problems Biden has are 100X worse than Trump."
I'm surprised to hear you say that - but it's still neither objective nor fact.
 
Face it, social distancing has never been one of Biden's strong suits. As a matter of fact he sucks at it.
 
Puigb said:
For for one, her story has changed since last year.
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Details of Dr. Ford's story changed several times when she accused Judge Kavanaugh. According to experts, this is commonplace in rape victims.

Anything else?
 
Worst case scenario, she's totalling the truth. Who knows. But in that case, Trump still leads by about 25 to 1. So the choice is clear.
 
COTO said:
Details of Dr. Ford's story changed several times when she accused Judge Kavanaugh. According to experts, this is commonplace in rape victims.

Anything else?
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A number of women accused Kavanaugh.
 
j brown's body said:
Worst case scenario, she's totalling the truth. Who knows. But in that case, Trump still leads by about 25 to 1. So the choice is clear.
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Worst case scenario, she's totalling the truth.
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Try changing your story while in a court of law and see what happens(LOL)
 
Geoist said:
Republicans who said Ford lied will say believe the women.

Democrats who said believe Ford will say this woman is a Russian asset.

And the hypocrisy continues...
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I suppose after she wrote:

What if I told you that everything you learned about Russia was wrong? President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader
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And that she's not denied writing it, one could come to that conclusion.

That hardly equals 'hypocrisy'.

Biden has leaned that his propensity to touch people, offends some people, and he's learned from it, and doesn't do it anymore.

She was an adamant Bernie supporter, and has taken Biden's touchiness into a false narrative.

I could never believe Biden was someone who would offend, intentionally, any woman.


But, I could easily believe that about Trump, because:

1. 19 women have accused him of sexual misconduct, not just touching, but grabbing genitals.

2. He's bragged about being able to grab female's genitals and get away with it because he's a celeb.
 
Lutherf said:
Since when do we need "credible proof"? Isn't the Democrat standard, "As long as there is a compelling story"?
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In the court of a law, no.

But, in the court of public opinion, that has always been the case, for ALL parties vying to win.
 
j brown's body said:
A number of women accused Kavanaugh.
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To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Ford was the only accuser whose prima facie case was upheld by anybody--including the media and the Democrats. This was because the others recanted, had histories of false accusations, were caught in egregious lies, or some combination thereof.

None of these conditions apply with Ms. Reade.

Moreover, unless your argument is that an allegation of rape is only credible when multiple women accuse the same man, I don't see why the number of accusers matters to Ms. Reade's credibility.
 
Puigb said:
If there's credible proof he's sexually assaulted her, let's see it, and he should step down if true. Chick was literally on Dr. Phil saying she was Putin's lover.

But for now? You got nothing.
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Where was the credibility with Kavanaugh? His accuser only had vague recollections, no details, no location, no timing, and the witnesses she claimed to witness it all categorically denied it. That didn't stop the left howling about Kavanaugh being unfit.
 
COTO said:
To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Ford was the only accuser whose prima facie case was upheld by anybody--including the media and the Democrats. This was because the others recanted, had histories of false accusations, were caught in egregious lies, or some combination thereof.

None of these conditions apply with Ms. Reade.

Moreover, unless your argument is that an allegation of rape is only credible when multiple women accuse the same man, I don't see why the number of accusers matters to Ms. Reade's credibility.
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You just make stuff up? How would you know none of those conditions apply or not?
 
US&THEM said:
You just make stuff up? How would you know none of those conditions apply or not?
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To the best of my knowledge, they don't apply. I assume that if Ms. Reade had recanted, or had a history of false accusations, or was caught in an egregious lie, that's what this thread would be about, not her admiration for Pres. Putin. At the very least, I'd expect somebody would have mentioned it by now.


Just to summarize the case against Ms. Reade in this thread thus far:

1. Ms. Reade admires Pres. Putin. (I fail to see how this is relevant to a rape accusation.)

2. Ms. Reade's story has changed during the past year. (Dr. Ford's story likewise changed numerous times. Experts say this is commonplace and insufficient reason to disbelieve a rape accusation, which was the Democrats' position vis a vis Dr. Ford.)

3. Although numerous women have accused Mr. Biden of sexual misconduct, Ms. Reade is the only woman to have accused him of rape. (This fact is only pertinent for those who consider the testimony of one accuser insufficient to support a rape charge. One of the central pillars of the #MeToo movement and the Democrats' position during Judge Kavanaugh's hearing is that even lone accusers should be believed [at least to the degree that the accused are disqualified from holding public office].)

4. Pres. Trump has also been accused of rape. (This isn't relevant unless Republicans' judgment of Pres. Trump's accusers is the standard by which all rape accusers should be judged, which Democrats have consistently claimed isn't tolerable.)


I made my position clear in #58: I don't consider uncorroborated rape allegations to be sufficient basis to support a rape charge, whether for Judge Kavanaugh or for Mr. Biden. My position during the Kavanaugh hearings was that the Democrats would dearly regret their eagerness to throw out the presumption of innocence at that time. And here we are. A few years later, with supporters of Mr. Biden scrambling for excuses about why they've flipped from #MeToo to #WomenCanLieToo. Partisans, fools, and hypocrites.
 
COTO said:
To the best of my knowledge, they don't apply. I assume that if Ms. Reade had recanted, or had a history of false accusations, or was caught in an egregious lie, that's what this thread would be about, not her admiration for Pres. Putin. At the very least, I'd expect somebody would have mentioned it by now.


Just to summarize the case against Ms. Reade in this thread thus far:

1. Ms. Reade admires Pres. Putin. (I fail to see how this is relevant to a rape accusation.)

2. Ms. Reade's story has changed during the past year. (Dr. Ford's story likewise changed numerous times. Experts say this is commonplace and insufficient reason to disbelieve a rape accusation, which was the Democrats' position vis a vis Dr. Ford.)

3. Although numerous women have accused Mr. Biden of sexual misconduct, Ms. Reade is the only woman to have accused him of rape. (This fact is only pertinent for those who consider the testimony of one accuser insufficient to support a rape charge. One of the central pillars of the #MeToo movement and the Democrats' position during Judge Kavanaugh's hearing is that even lone accusers should be believed [at least to the degree that the accused are disqualified from holding public office].)

4. Pres. Trump has also been accused of rape. (This isn't relevant unless Republicans' judgment of Pres. Trump's accusers is the standard by which all rape accusers should be judged, which Democrats have consistently claimed isn't tolerable.)


I made my position clear in #58: I don't consider uncorroborated rape allegations to be sufficient basis to support a rape charge, whether for Judge Kavanaugh or for Mr. Biden. My position during the Kavanaugh hearings was that the Democrats would dearly regret their eagerness to throw out the presumption of innocence at that time. And here we are. A few years later, with supporters of Mr. Biden scrambling for excuses about why they've flipped from #MeToo to #WomenCanLieToo. Partisans, fools, and hypocrites.
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The difference being Kavanaugh was getting a lifetime job. Biden has to win an election and can hold office for 8 years at most.
 
US&THEM said:
The difference being Kavanaugh was getting a lifetime job. Biden has to win an election and can hold office for 8 years at most.
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This is the dumbest defense of all time. Kavanaugh's job is a lifetime appointment yes, but the POTUS gets to pick people for that job. Sorta makes the POTUS job a wee more powerful just in that right alone.
 
bave said:
This is the dumbest defense of all time. Kavanaugh's job is a lifetime appointment yes, but the POTUS gets to pick people for that job. Sorta makes the POTUS job a wee more powerful just in that right alone.
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It is not a defense it is an explanation for why people were so outraged by Kavanaugh’s nomination. Although the GOP blocking the Garland nomination probably had a lot to do with it too.

This is all about the politics no one bringing up the complaints care if there actually was a victim.
 
US&THEM said:
It is not a defense it is an explanation for why people were so outraged by Kavanaugh’s nomination. Although the GOP blocking the Garland nomination probably had a lot to do with it too.

This is all about the politics no one bringing up the complaints care if there actually was a victim.
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I agree, same as with Kavanaugh.
 
Puigb said:
Seems the Trump supporters really scrapped the bottom of the barrel on this one. Ironic coming from a group who worship someone with actual credible sexual allegations against their dear leader.
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#BelieveHer

Why do you hate women?
 
US&THEM said:
If everyone treats Reade as good as um Hillary or AOC, the world would make sense to you?
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You need to clarify your statement. Do you #BelieveHer or do you hate women?
 
US&THEM said:
I look for the facts. You should try it.
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So...do you #BelieveHer or do you hate women? You need to pick one of those two things. So far you keep dodging, there are no other answers.
 
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