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Easter/Trump: Agree or Disagree?

lurchadams said:
How many people did the crusades unify? How about the Spanish Inquisition? Racists used religion to justify their racism in the 60's and still do to justify their bigotry against the LGBTQ community.
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Well the answer to the first question is all of Western Europe.
 
Lisa said:
You're forgetting the European religious wars between the protestants and Catholics.

How many native Americans were killed in the genocide?
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Zero because there was no genocide against native Americans.
 
Nickyjo said:
So why did the Dixiecrats turn republican after civil rights laws were passed? Reagan knew what he was doing, he showed up in Mississippi shortly after his nomination and spoke about states rights, didn't mention the three civil rights activists that were murdered nearby. And of course, there is that unfortunate tendency of black voters to switch from republican to democrat... Overwhelmingly. Somehow they understand that things change.
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You like to say democrats turned republican as if that was a huge movement. Christians have opposed slavery in the US for centuries and they still oppose racism just like always. Most Christians who oppose human hatred and crimes against humanity were republicans during Lincoln's day and they are republicans today. I don't know who these other people are.
 
I'm not sure I've ever seen a non‐Christian political con man manipulate Christians so expertly.

It's genius.
 
Logician Man said:
Trump is telling Americans to fill up churches on Easter Sunday. Do you think this is good advice or bad advice?
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For the record, that's not what he said. He said he would HOPE this thing would clear out by Easter Sunday and we can get back to business.
 
I think I would be fine with the advice...provided that it was backed up by science.

Oh, wait...yeah, I think what he has to say is as stupid as ever.
 
Sand Castle said:
If your church is currently gathering, the what is the point below from a fellow conservative.

Trump should also call on religious Americans to defy gathering bans on Easter.

Religious practice is a right so central to America it’s literally written into the first piece of the bill of rights. Never have Christians been told in this country they can’t worship on Easter.

I would literally rather die
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I believe an amended version of a famous saying may be applicable to this irrational virus fear: 'Give me liberty to face the enemy in this crisis without fear or give me death.'
 
CaughtInThe said:
I'm not sure I've ever seen a non‐Christian political con man manipulate Christians so expertly.

It's genius.
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Yeup, it is something that has facinated me since the primaries in 2016. It is like they ignore the fact they support a Non-Christian that could not care less about them.
Anyone ask trump whether or not he plans on attending services himself?
 
Logician Man said:
You're still confusing Dixiecrats with Democrats.
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Are you suggesting Northern democrats during the Lincoln administration also stood against slavery like the republicans did? I don't think that was common. I think democrats throughout the country opposed republicans and their efforts to free slaves and integrate blacks into society.
 
calamity said:
More Republicans per capita voted against the Civil Rights Act than Democrats.
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16 democrat senators voted against the 1965 voting rights act while only 2 republican senators voted against it. I have no idea where your "per capita' claim came from or what it means. Did those 16 racist senators get mad over the vote and turn republican? Is that what people believe today?
 
Casper said:
Yeup, it is something that has facinated me since the primaries in 2016. It is like they ignore the fact they support a Non-Christian that could not care less about them.
Anyone ask trump whether or not he plans on attending services himself?
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i think the real question is which mistress Trump will screw in the weeks before or after Easter.

or who he will cheat out of money.

or if he has other porn stars to pay off.
 
marke said:
Are you suggesting Northern democrats during the Lincoln administration also stood against slavery like the republicans did? I don't think that was common. I think democrats throughout the country opposed republicans and their efforts to free slaves and integrate blacks into society.
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I'll be happy to address your question after you respond to post #75, which is what this thread is actually about.
 
Logician Man said:
So is Trump giving good advice or bad advice, when he is telling Americans to fill up churches on Easter Sunday, which is in direct conflict with his own Surgeon General's advice, marke?
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Obama's AG said Christians in the US posed a greater terror threat than Muslims. Trump said Christians should go to church. I like Trump's advice better than the typical leftist crap advice of bozos who thinks the Constitution outlaws Christianity in public.
 
marke said:
Obama's AG said Christians in the US posed a greater terror threat than Muslims. Trump said Christians should go to church. I like Trump's advice better than the typical leftist crap advice of bozos who thinks the Constitution outlaws Christianity in public.
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This thread isn't about your misguided obsession with Obama, Muslims, or outlawing anyone's Constitutional right to worship as they please, in case you haven't noticed.
 
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Logician Man said:
Trump is telling Americans to fill up churches on Easter Sunday. Do you think this is good advice or bad advice?
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First, he didn't quite say that, but did express a wish.

That said, there's nothing magical about Easter or any other date which makes it a better decision point for the relaxation of counter-viral actions. That decision is made every day, going forward, by all who have the power to dictate such matters. If, on a particular date, no decision is made to specify when a relaxation will be suggested or ordered, the decision to continue the status quo has, in fact, been made.
 
marke said:
Democrats always twist the truth when they don't like it. Democrats invented the KKK after the civil war to fight republican efforts to integrate blacks into society. Robert Byrd was still a member of the KKK just 70 years ago and he was also a high ranking democrat. Democrats fought Eisenhower in Little Rock, attempting to keep blacks from enrolling in high school. Democrats were the majority of those opposed to civil rights legislation during the Johnson administration.

But Democrats have a spin for that. They say those people were the original republicans who flipped over to the republican party after the race riots of the sixties, meaning democrats have really always been non-racists and it has always been the republicans who were the racists. That is called a lying spin for those interested in the truth.
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Democrats didn't create the KKK. That was the Southern baptists who created the Klan as a way to continue blacks being second class citizens.

Northern Democrats were abolitionists before the war, despite the propaganda that you have been fed.

The Southern Baptist Convention is a force to be reckoned with. As the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, with over 45,000 affiliate churches, it have been shaping and channeling conservative Christian sensibilities since the Civil War, when Southern Baptists split from the North so they could advocate on behalf of slave owners. They fought to keep slavery and lost. Then they fought for Jim Crow laws and lost. Then they fought for segregation and lost. Now, faced with eroding membership, the Southern Baptist leaders are fighting against irrelevance. Unfortunately, they have committed to a strategy that will make it harder for their members – and for all of us—to move toward a future based on collaboration, compassion and practical solutions to real-world problems. The Southern Baptist denomination was formed in 1845 when Baptists split over a question of slaveholders as missionaries. Freed from the sensibilities of their Northern brethren, the Southern Baptists became strong and vocal advocates for slavery as a Biblical institution. As one leader, Dr. Richard Furman, wrote to the governor of South Carolina, “the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example.”

Over the years, Southern Baptist deacons and pastors moved in and out of Ku Klux Klan leadership positions. In 1956 the minister of the largest Southern Baptist church in the nation testified before the South Carolina legislature, voicing his support for segregation. It wasn’t until 1995 that leaders formally apologized for their defense of slavery and 20th-century opposition to equality for blacks. As recently as the Trayvon Martin murder, the denomination has struggled with embarrassing racist taint. Last week, along with the name change, the Convention elected a fiery black preacher as the first African American president in its 167 year history.
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Lisa said:
Democrats didn't create the KKK. That was the Southern baptists who created the Klan as a way to continue blacks being second class citizens.

Northern Democrats were abolitionists before the war, despite the propaganda that you have been fed.
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I don't believe you. The republican party started in the North in opposition to the democrat party support for slavery.
 
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Logician Man said:
Trump is telling Americans to fill up churches on Easter Sunday. Do you think this is good advice or bad advice?
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Idiotic advice from an idiotic manchild. Only his cowardly ignorant worshipers would say that was good advice.
 
marke said:
You like to say democrats turned republican as if that was a huge movement. Christians have opposed slavery in the US for centuries and they still oppose racism just like always. Most Christians who oppose human hatred and crimes against humanity were republicans during Lincoln's day and they are republicans today. I don't know who these other people are.
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It was a pretty huge movement. The solid white democratic south switched parties. African-Americans switched to the democrats. (Jackie Robinson, lifelong republican, voted for Johnson over Goldwater in 1964.) Things have stayed that way. There may or may not have been a "southern strategy" under Nixon, but there certainly was a southern shift. Yes, republican Lincoln opposed slavery and democrats remained in control of the south. But things changed with and after the civil rights movement. Check out the electoral maps through the years. Exception to the pattern seems to have been in 1976 with Carter in a rebound election of a southerner post Watergate.
 
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Nickyjo said:
It was a pretty huge movement. The solid white democratic south switched parties. African-Americans switched to the democrats. (Jackie Robinson, lifelong republican, voted for Johnson over Goldwater in 1964.) Things have stayed that way. There may or may not have been a "southern strategy" under Nixon, but there certainly was a southern shift. Yes, republican Lincoln opposed slavery and democrats remained in control of the south. But things changed with and after the civil rights movement. Check out the electoral maps through the years. Exception to the pattern seems to have been in 1976 with Carter in a rebound election of a southerner post Watergate.
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Democrats want to ease their inherited guilt by saying the democrats who fought republicans over slavery were really republicans in disguise and the republicans were really democrats in disguise. How stupid is that? Republicans under Lincoln fought for the North to free slaves and the losing democrats in the South started the KKK after the war in an effort to stop the integration of blacks into southern society.
 
Well, organized religion is a virus in many ways, I say have at it. Go to church, pass the plate, drop some shekels for the cause. Just don't expect to go ramification free should everyone in the building gets sick.
 
marke said:
I don't believe you. The republican party started in the North in opposition to the democrat party support for slavery.
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I don't care that you don't believe me.

The Democratic Party was formed in 1792, when supporters of Thomas Jefferson began using the name Republicans, or Jeffersonian Republicans, to emphasize its anti-aristocratic policies. It adopted its present name during the Presidency of Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. In the 1840s and '50s, the party was in conflict over extending slavery to the Western territories. Southern Democrats insisted on protecting slavery in all the territories while many Northern Democrats resisted. The party split over the slavery issue in 1860 at its Presidential convention in Charleston, South Carolina.
Northern Democrats nominated Stephen Douglas as their candidate, and Southern Democrats adopted a pro-slavery platform and nominated John C. Breckinridge in an election campaign that would be won by Abraham Lincoln and the newly formed Republican Party. After the Civil War, most white Southerners opposed Radical Reconstruction and the Republican Party's support of black civil and political rights.
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