Debate about the "Cure Worse than the Disease"

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Luckyone said:

Here is a list of Christian Values, would you be so kind to show me where Trump has been a better supporter of them than Democrats?

Hope.
Koinonia.
Service.
Patience.
Courage.
Joy.
Justice.
Respect.

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Everybody is for most of these things, no matter what party. The reason Trump is favored more among Christian conservatives is because he does not support abortion, homosexuality, gun grabs, and restrictions on Christianity in public like democrats do.

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marke said:

Everybody is for most of these things, no matter what party. The reason Trump is favored more among Christian conservatives is because he does not support abortion, homosexuality, gun grabs, and restrictions on Christianity in public like democrats do.

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Let me say that abortion, homosexuality, gun grabs and restrictions on Christianity are normally exceptions rather than the rule. Jesus was about what is best for all. Yes, he mentioned abortion and homosexuality as a sin but then again, there was very little of that then and the percentage per population has not increased at all. It remains the exception rather than the rule.

Nonetheless, jesus was about what is good for all. Rules for all to follow. Abortion is a choice each person has to make depending on their own situation but then abortion only applies to women. Homosexuality is something you are born with. It is your "genes" and not your mind and therefore not really an emotional choice.

As such, you voting for Trump because he is against these things but then failing at all the others, such as respect which is something "all" can do and is a choice, justice is for "all" and should be followed by all, hope, koinonia, service, courage, joy are all things that apply to all and that Trump is not supporting and is against should be 10 times more important than not supporting abortion and homosexuality.

You are choosing a man that does more evil to all, just because he is doing something against the few exceptions that seem to be important to you personally.

It is 100% wrong and I do not support or agree with your hypocrisy.

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Luckyone said:

As such, you voting for Trump because he is against these things but then failing at all the others, such as respect which is something "all" can do and is a choice, justice is for "all" and should be followed by all, hope, koinonia, service, courage, joy are all things that apply to all and that Trump is not supporting and is against should be 10 times more important than not supporting abortion and homosexuality.

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Trump shows respect for Christians. Democrats don't do well in that category. Hillary may have lost the election because she referred to conservative Christians as "deplorables."

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marke said:

Trump shows respect for Christians. Democrats don't do well in that category. Hillary may have lost the election because she referred to conservative Christians as "deplorables."

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None of your words mean anything. To me, your words show you to be a liar, blind, biased to what you want, and not interested in truth......only interested in supporting your views.

In simple words, a worthless individual.

Luckyone said:

Life and death is normal but caring about life and death is what separates us from chaos and anarchy. Is that what you support?

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Of course I care about life and death. That's one reason I've been bitching and complaining about the torture and military aggression worldwide by my corrupt and immoral government.

I care about life and death so I support efforts to achieve universal healthcare and education in this country.

But that does not mean I must fear death.

Re: Debate about the "Cure Worse than the Disease"

Bullseye said:

For some areas of the country, such as NY, the model by South Korea may lose its efficacy. The model may be effective in other parts of the country.



If saying it only made it true. You’ve presented no evidence for this view. But I’ll assume it is true.

Second, being more complicated isn’t an immovable impediment. Historically countries have faced different levels and kinds of complications in addressing some circumstance. The existence of “more complicated” is but a truism of life.


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Funny thing is that NYC would likely be one of the more successful regions had it been done either. Must like SK, urban, high population density. The population of Seoul, for instance is about 9.5 million.[/QUOTE]

As it pertains to NYC, I made my remark in the context of the moment, which is to say NYC’s circumstances at the time I posted may have made the SK mode less efficacious if instituted on that date and going forward.


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Re: Debate about the "Cure Worse than the Disease"

After the 2009 pandemic (H1N1), a lot of "lessons learned" were put into place. The CDC's NIH aggressively planned and shared those plans around the world. In July 2019 they published a "Ten Year Review" of developments in pandemic response. Many of the recommendations they made were instituted by China, and then South Korea in their responses to outbreaks. Ironically, they were not implemented by the very agencies that authored the reports, not because they "didn't know better" - they made their recommendations - but because leadership (Trump) wouldn't listen to them.

There were plenty of resources out there to "do better". All that was missing was appropriate leadership.

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NotreDame said:

Funny thing is that NYC would likely be one of the more successful regions had it been done either. Must like SK, urban, high population density. The population of Seoul, for instance is about 9.5 million.

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As it pertains to NYC, I made my remark in the context of the moment, which is to say NYC’s circumstances at the time I posted may have made the SK mode less efficacious if instituted on that date and going forward.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE] NYC would have been a good test of SK model. Assuming New Yorkers dutifully line up and spend the time waiting in line to be tested. How many would do the "fagetaboutit" dance.