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The difference between liberals and conservatives is "China Virus"

Ouroboros said:
You impute too much foresight to Trump. I strongly doubt that he ever used the term "Chinese virus" because he was attempting anything on the level of "re-branding." Other people had used the term, and MAYBE at the most Trump wanted to keep people aware of the complications that abetted the spread of the virus. Assuming that we can contain the virus, it would be wise not to let the Chinese government try to cover up their responsibilities.

You do believe they are responsible to some extent for the spread, do you not?
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He was literally caught crossing out "coronavirus", and writing in "Chinese virus" on his talking points.

Nationalism can't function as an ideology without an enemy. So he's making "the enemy" clear.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
He was literally caught crossing out "coronavirus", and writing in "Chinese virus" on his talking points.

Nationalism can't function as an ideology without an enemy. So he's making "the enemy" clear.
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I would still not consider that any sort of "re-branding," nor does it denote racism.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
No. The opposite of whataboutism is having a good-faith discussion.
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If both sides admit the sins of their sides, maybe you can have a good-faith discussion. If one side cannot, then you have "mysideism."
 
Ouroboros said:
If both sides admit the sins of their sides, maybe you can have a good-faith discussion. If one side cannot, then you have "mysideism."
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No, that's not how it works.

You don't get to change the subject when it becomes uncomfortable for you. That's not good faith discussion.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
It's quite literally the definition of "re-branding".

As to whether it's "racist", your opinion doesn't hold much water.
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I trust Merriam-Webster's literal definition more than yours:

to change or update the brand or branding of (a product, service, etc.)
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Even allowing that an event could be "re-branded," Trump did not originate the supposed renaming, and so he cannot be said to have re-branded anything.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
No, that's not how it works.

You don't get to change the subject when it becomes uncomfortable for you. That's not good faith discussion.
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Defining an opponent's poorly defined concept is part of any debate, and cannot logically be viewed as a change of subject.
 
Ouroboros said:
I trust Merriam-Webster's literal definition more than yours:



Even allowing that an event could be "re-branded," Trump did not originate the supposed renaming, and so he cannot be said to have re-branded anything.
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Playing dictionary games is dumb.

We can all see what's going on.
 
Ouroboros said:
Defining an opponent's poorly defined concept is part of any debate, and cannot logically be viewed as a change of subject.
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But that's not what you did.

What you did was try desperately to deflect to Chuck Schumer, because any criticism of Trump makes you uncomfortable.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm always trying to understand the difference between liberals and conservatives. I think using the term "China virus" perfectly explains the core difference.

The difference is not really economic philosophy. Maybe 10% of people have a defined economic philosophy. Most conservatives are social conservatives. Social conservatives tend to have a very unsophisticated anti-intellectual world view.

The key difference is the kind of mentality that calls the coronavirus "the China virus."

1. It shows a lack of rationality.

Yes, the virus originated in China, but a virus could originate anywhere in the world. The Swine flu originated in Mexico. Should we call it "the Mexican virus"? AIDS originated in Africa. Should we call it "the African virus?" It's beyond stupid.

2. It shows a tendency towards ethnic scapegoating

The key trait of racism is ethnic scapegoating. This group of people is the cause of this set of problems. It's a mentality and it's far more common among social conservatives.

Keep in mind that we have millions of Chinese American citizens. Some of them are already being harassed by racists. He's supposed to be their president too.

Hopefully, Asian American conservatives understand now what a danger Trump is. This is just disgusting.
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The virus originated in China and China covered it up.

Did the Japanese not bomb Pearl Harbor?
 
3leftsdoo said:
Kind of long though...

I like the WuFlu.

Basically, the criminal communist government of China is 100% responsible for this ****, and they have, I hope, slit their own throats.

A consolation prize I know, but at least it's something.
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KungFlu
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm always trying to understand the difference between liberals and conservatives. I think using the term "China virus" perfectly explains the core difference.
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Why is it necessary to demand people change the way things have been traditionally done? Why is political correctness so necessary by the left?

SonOfDaedalus said:
The difference is not really economic philosophy. Maybe 10% of people have a defined economic philosophy. Most conservatives are social conservatives. Social conservatives tend to have a very unsophisticated anti-intellectual world view.
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Now you are insulting people's intelligence.

Don't you guys on the left claim we are suppose to accept the difference is people? You are calling social conservatives names.

Just who elected you dictator of the free world to impose your rational on others?

SonOfDaedalus said:
The key difference is the kind of mentality that calls the coronavirus "the China virus."

1. It shows a lack of rationality.

Yes, the virus originated in China, but a virus could originate anywhere in the world. The Swine flu originated in Mexico. Should we call it "the Mexican virus"? AIDS originated in Africa. Should we call it "the African virus?" It's beyond stupid.
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Really now. You are going to compare a virus spread by droplets, to a virus like AIDS that requires a direct injection into the body somehow? As for the swine flu, that was already an established name for the SIV variant. As for calling this a Chinese virus, why not? This SARS virus is SARS-CoV-2, and originated from China. It's predecessor, SARS-CoV-1, also originated in China.

SonOfDaedalus said:
2. It shows a tendency towards ethnic scapegoating

The key trait of racism is ethnic scapegoating. This group of people is the cause of this set of problems. It's a mentality and it's far more common among social conservatives.
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True to form, you guys can never leave the race card alone. You use race as a divisive tool, and then claim conservatives are at fault. Believe it of not, very few conservatives today are racists. Democrats are true to the definition wanting quota based affirmative action programs, which only shows their racism. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. Right leaning people generally want everyone to stand, based on their abilities, and context of character.

SonOfDaedalus said:
Keep in mind that we have millions of Chinese American citizens. Some of them are already being harassed by racists. He's supposed to be their president too.
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Far less Chinese are harassed by whites I bet, than the number of liberals who harass conservatives.

SonOfDaedalus said:
Hopefully, Asian American conservatives understand now what a danger Trump is. This is just disgusting.
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I think they see past the lies of the left.

I lean primarily to the right for reasons of economics and personal freedom. I am a social liberal. Nobody should be telling someone else what to do, if it isn't affecting them or others.

You say you keep trying to understand the difference. It appears your own bigotry of the right will keep you from having a clear picture.
 
Drawdown said:
Word. We should keep calling it the Coronavirus because then people will think it came from Mexico.
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No.

Corona virus is a class of viruses, that vary greatly.

Coronaviruses constitute the subfamily Orthocoronavirinae, in the family Coronaviridae, order Nidovirales, and realm Riboviria.[5][6] They are enveloped viruses with a positive-sense single-stranded RNA genome and a nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. The genome size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 27 to 34 kilobases, the largest among known RNA viruses.
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Coronavirus - Wikipedia

I despise that type of generality, and dumbing down, as any knowledgeable person should.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
The fact that Chinese Americans are being harassed by racists is only petty stuff to you. The fact that calling it the "Chinese virus" means that little Chinese kids in school will get bullied is only petty to you. The fact that it's irrational and absurd to name a virus based on its origin something that you probably don't understand.

I'll make it simple for you: Should AIDS be called the African virus? Should Swine Flu be called the Mexican virus? If so, why? What's the point?
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Which Chinese American has been bullied by this name? Kids included.

Until liberals tried to turn nothing into something, nobody gave it a thought.

Spanish flu has been around a hundred years. I haven't heard of any Spanish being bullied.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm not going to argue with you. You're a social conservative. You're as comfortable with ethnic scapegoating as a pig is in mud.

The "Spanish Flu" may have originated in a military base in Kansas. Does it matter where it originated?

Yes, there will always be harassment but that doesn't excuse making it worse by irrationally naming virus by their country of origin. What if you were a Chinse American with a family who voted for Trump? How would you feel?
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Didn't that soldier come back from Spain?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
There are many coronaviruses. When it first appeared people identified it by the outbreak in the city of Wuhan. Then it got an official name, "Covid-19"

Don't play dumb and pretend that Trump didn't deliberately and intentionally choose to start calling it "the Chinese virus." And don't play dumb and pretend you don't know why he chose to do this.

My question to you, is simple: Isn't Trump also the president of all the Chinse American citizens? Isn't he being irresponsible?
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The disease is called Covid-19, but the virus is called SARS-CoV-2.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
But that's not what you did.

What you did was try desperately to deflect to Chuck Schumer, because any criticism of Trump makes you uncomfortable.
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You're clearing losing track of the argument.

My informing you that you can't use "re-branding" the way you did and claim it to be a "literal" definition has nothing to do with Schumer. My correction of your inadequate definition is not a change of subject.

Now, had you been directly referencing the post in which I referenced Schumer, it's true that some persons would like to think that this was a change of subject. The point of the reference, though, was to expose the fact that most Lefties are so steeped in their own "mysideism" that they can't criticize one of their own when that individual has expressed the same sentiments said Lefties don't like in their main enemy.

Two separate subjects, really.
 
Ouroboros said:
You're clearing losing track of the argument.

My informing you that you can't use "re-branding" the way you did and claim it to be a "literal" definition has nothing to do with Schumer. My correction of your inadequate definition is not a change of subject.

Now, had you been directly referencing the post in which I referenced Schumer, it's true that some persons would like to think that this was a change of subject. The point of the reference, though, was to expose the fact that most Lefties are so steeped in their own "mysideism" that they can't criticize one of their own when that individual has expressed the same sentiments said Lefties don't like in their main enemy.

Two separate subjects, really.
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No, I think it's you who has lost track of the conversation - or at least, you're getting the threads confused.

Follow the posts back, you'll see what I was talking about.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm always trying to understand the difference between liberals and conservatives. I think using the term "China virus" perfectly explains the core difference.

The difference is not really economic philosophy. Maybe 10% of people have a defined economic philosophy. Most conservatives are social conservatives. Social conservatives tend to have a very unsophisticated anti-intellectual world view.

The key difference is the kind of mentality that calls the coronavirus "the China virus."

1. It shows a lack of rationality.

Yes, the virus originated in China, but a virus could originate anywhere in the world. The Swine flu originated in Mexico. Should we call it "the Mexican virus"? AIDS originated in Africa. Should we call it "the African virus?" It's beyond stupid.

2. It shows a tendency towards ethnic scapegoating

The key trait of racism is ethnic scapegoating. This group of people is the cause of this set of problems. It's a mentality and it's far more common among social conservatives.

Keep in mind that we have millions of Chinese American citizens. Some of them are already being harassed by racists. He's supposed to be their president too.

Hopefully, Asian American conservatives understand now what a danger Trump is. This is just disgusting.
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The only real racists in America call themselves Progressive or Liberal. 70 years ago they were White Supremacist and when they realized that it was no longer a winning political tactic that started exploiting Racism from the opposite direction. They replaced White Supremacy with Racial Identity Politics and the KKK with Leftist Race Baiters and Al Sharpton style Poverty Pimps. They used to call Blacks "Ni****s" now they call Innocent Whites "Racist".
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
No, I think it's you who has lost track of the conversation - or at least, you're getting the threads confused.

Follow the posts back, you'll see what I was talking about.
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Nope, prove it to me. You're the one claiming that everyone else just "believes what they want to believe."

Going back to the OP, he spoke of "ethnic scapegoating." I reiterate that it's not incorrect to speak of a virus in terms of its point of origin, and that by NOT doing so, you open the door to losing track of persons who may be responsible for the virus' promulgation.

For instance, on an episode of THE VIEW this week, Lisa Ling found fault with Trump's lack of action in the first two months (which she describes as "months and months," as if half a year transpired). While (falsely) claiming that she didn't want to play the blame game, she claimed that Trump's only possible reason for using the term "Chinese virus" was to "deflect" from his own lack of inaction. "Wag the Pekingese Dog," if you will.

She also talked out of both sides of her face. One minute she claims she has "no love for the Chinese government" and that she found their hushup "indefensible." Yet the next minute she claims that it wouldn't made any difference to whether or not the U.S. took the disease more seriously as to its "severity?" Hello? Does anyone here actually believe that, if the Chinese gov't had been totally transparent in January, Trump would not have ramped up defenses then, instead of in March?

This sort of willful amnesia is precisely what I'm talking about. Ling is of Chinese extraction, and some of her people have undoubtedly been attacked or inconvenienced by dimwit racists. But her problems don't excuse her attempt to rewrite the same history we've all experienced. At the end of her screed Ling even claims "we should be asking China for help" in managing our situation. Yeah, if I were Prez I don't think I'd be in any great hurry to follow China's lead. I don't have to believe that she likes the Chinese Communist government to realize that she's the one using the virus as an excuse to attack Trump on the usual talking-points of supposed inefficiency and supposed racism.

On a semi-related note, I heard some idiot reporter on MEET THE PRESS ask Joe Biden if Trump "had blood on his hands." Wow, talk about playing to the peanut gallery! At least Ling was relatively subtle in her partisanship.
 
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