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Trump’s gains are gone. Obama’s next?

Idontbelonghere

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Let’s start with the good news. We’ve been here, done this several times before. The house of cards always crumbles, and partisans mentally masturbate their pain away with blame. It’s government’s fault. It’s greedy capitalist’s fault. And my personal favorite - it’s just the natural ebb and flow of the economy, and therefore no one’s fault.

2008 was just another in a long line of opportunities for us to address the seemingly cyclical boom and bust cycles, and we chose not to address it - again. We are definitely going down the path of making it worse - again. We can whine and cry and blame and keep doing stupid things, or we can address it now - like we’re going to wish we had done in 2008.

Here are some inescapable truths.

Stability in any market relies first and foremost on a stable currency. Our current monetary system has proven to be anything but stable. We’re eventually going to have to come to terms with that - regardless of our political associations.

Easy money policies are always going to result in lost real savings, malinvestment, and ultimately bubble bursts. Easy access to money causes bad capital investment (including human capital), skews profits, and creates a false sense of security (we can just borrow more!). That causes high unemployment (some are already predicting up to 20%). These policies adversely impact government and businesses, but the hardest hit will always be individuals. Savings are wiped out. Opportunities are diminished by “protective” law and regulation, and so on...

When the cure looks no different than the disease, it’s usually a good time to reconsider our course of action. Some experts are advising their clients that they’ll know the market has truly corrected when the DOW matches the price of gold. I know of at least one who thinks that match will be around the 5000 mark - but that was in 2007 (when he was screaming about the real estate and stock market bubbles).

What do you think would happen if the federal government took no action on the economy? What would you do?
 
We get 2016's smaller stock market value but not 2016's better President. Everybody loses.
 
Dow 30
19,416.08
-1,821.30(-8.58%)

I will admit, this is the first time in my life I have been able to watch the bottom fall out every other time I was out in the field doing meinen duty...
 
Let’s start with the good news. We’ve been here, done this several times before. The house of cards always crumbles, and partisans mentally masturbate their pain away with blame. It’s government’s fault. It’s greedy capitalist’s fault. And my personal favorite - it’s just the natural ebb and flow of the economy, and therefore no one’s fault.

2008 was just another in a long line of opportunities for us to address the seemingly cyclical boom and bust cycles, and we chose not to address it - again. We are definitely going down the path of making it worse - again. We can whine and cry and blame and keep doing stupid things, or we can address it now - like we’re going to wish we had done in 2008.

Here are some inescapable truths.

Stability in any market relies first and foremost on a stable currency. Our current monetary system has proven to be anything but stable. We’re eventually going to have to come to terms with that - regardless of our political associations.

Easy money policies are always going to result in lost real savings, malinvestment, and ultimately bubble bursts. Easy access to money causes bad capital investment (including human capital), skews profits, and creates a false sense of security (we can just borrow more!). That causes high unemployment (some are already predicting up to 20%). These policies adversely impact government and businesses, but the hardest hit will always be individuals. Savings are wiped out. Opportunities are diminished by “protective” law and regulation, and so on...

When the cure looks no different than the disease, it’s usually a good time to reconsider our course of action. Some experts are advising their clients that they’ll know the market has truly corrected when the DOW matches the price of gold. I know of at least one who thinks that match will be around the 5000 mark - but that was in 2007 (when he was screaming about the real estate and stock market bubbles).

What do you think would happen if the federal government took no action on the economy? What would you do?

Gold returned to the $1550 level yesterday during U.S. trading hours then gave most of it back in the overnight market as the potential for stimulus failure began to dominate investor thinking. It is now priced at $1501 – down $36 on the day. Silver is down 58¢ at $12.22. The US dollar is at 52 week high.
 
Gold returned to the $1550 level yesterday during U.S. trading hours then gave most of it back in the overnight market as the potential for stimulus failure began to dominate investor thinking. It is now priced at $1501 – down $36 on the day. Silver is down 58¢ at $12.22. The US dollar is at 52 week high.

Yep. I wouldn’t expect gold to do too much right away. The process may take over a year. I suspect we’ll see a calming effect from the stimulus and as we get a hold of the virus situation. After the election however...
 
We get 2016's smaller stock market value but not 2016's better President. Everybody loses.

There we go with partisanship... Obama’s easy money policies have lent themselves greatly to this current bust. Neither major party has a leg to stand on regarding the economy.
 
Let’s start with the good news. We’ve been here, done this several times before. The house of cards always crumbles, and partisans mentally masturbate their pain away with blame. It’s government’s fault. It’s greedy capitalist’s fault. And my personal favorite - it’s just the natural ebb and flow of the economy, and therefore no one’s fault.

2008 was just another in a long line of opportunities for us to address the seemingly cyclical boom and bust cycles, and we chose not to address it - again. We are definitely going down the path of making it worse - again. We can whine and cry and blame and keep doing stupid things, or we can address it now - like we’re going to wish we had done in 2008.

Here are some inescapable truths.

Stability in any market relies first and foremost on a stable currency. Our current monetary system has proven to be anything but stable. We’re eventually going to have to come to terms with that - regardless of our political associations.

Easy money policies are always going to result in lost real savings, malinvestment, and ultimately bubble bursts. Easy access to money causes bad capital investment (including human capital), skews profits, and creates a false sense of security (we can just borrow more!). That causes high unemployment (some are already predicting up to 20%). These policies adversely impact government and businesses, but the hardest hit will always be individuals. Savings are wiped out. Opportunities are diminished by “protective” law and regulation, and so on...

When the cure looks no different than the disease, it’s usually a good time to reconsider our course of action. Some experts are advising their clients that they’ll know the market has truly corrected when the DOW matches the price of gold. I know of at least one who thinks that match will be around the 5000 mark - but that was in 2007 (when he was screaming about the real estate and stock market bubbles).

What do you think would happen if the federal government took no action on the economy? What would you do?

So

Much

WINNING!
 
Dow 30
19,416.08
-1,821.30(-8.58%)

I will admit, this is the first time in my life I have been able to watch the bottom fall out every other time I was out in the field doing meinen duty...

Well... sit back and enjoy the show! The fireworks are just barely getting started.
 
There we go with partisanship... Obama’s easy money policies have lent themselves greatly to this current bust. Neither major party has a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

And in today's episode of Trump Supporters Will Say Anything...
 
There we go with partisanship... Obama’s easy money policies have lent themselves greatly to this current bust. Neither major party has a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

That ****ing Obama. He should have left Trump the keys to that box hiding all the ventilators and test kits.

That’s about how stupid your post sounds.
 
And in today's episode of Trump Supporters Will Say Anything...
There really has to be a best-of from this epidemic on DP, I've bookmarked a few.

I could almost understand the lies in defense of Trump's corruption...you know...white collar, all about politics...but with a health crisis they are still denying reality? We knew there was no bottom, it's just sad to visually watch them reach even lower depths.
 
Ha! It’s too bad Americans don’t have a reasonable alternative in 2020.


Meh... Not a biden fan but with him, the court picks alone will be astronomically better.
 
Dow 30
19,416.08
-1,821.30(-8.58%)

I will admit, this is the first time in my life I have been able to watch the bottom fall out every other time I was out in the field doing meinen duty...

I'm old enough to remember when a 100 point move was kind of a big deal. Now when the stock market rises and drops by two thousand points, I'm all, "Pfft. Wake me when it moves by 5000 points."
 
There we go with partisanship... Obama’s easy money policies have lent themselves greatly to this current bust. Neither major party has a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

Of course they do. At the end of every Dem presidency, we have done quite well. At the end of every GOP presidency, we have had a catastrophic mess.

How many more times does this have to repeat before you start seeing a pattern?
 
I'm old enough to remember when a 100 point move was kind of a big deal. Now when the stock market rises and drops by two thousand points, I'm all, "Pfft. Wake me when it moves by 5000 points."

It's almost halfway to 5k..
 
There really has to be a best-of from this epidemic on DP, I've bookmarked a few.

I could almost understand the lies in defense of Trump's corruption...you know...white collar, all about politics...but with a health crisis they are still denying reality? We knew there was no bottom, it's just sad to visually watch them reach even lower depths.
Teach us to elect a black man president. They’re retaliating by burning the place to the ground.
 
Ha! It’s too bad Americans don’t have a reasonable alternative in 2020.

pretty much any Democratic candidate, even Bloomberg, was better than the Reality T.V. Star. no candidate is perfect.
 
Meh... Not a biden fan but with him, the court picks alone will be astronomically better.

Yep. And this is how the Democrats will win. It's how Republicans won in 2016. They knew Trump wasn't a "conservative" or a real Republican, but they preferred him stacking the courts over any Democrat, and thus came out for him in full force as they would any other Republican candidate. Dems need to do the same if they want to win, or we'll have 4 more years of the current Reality T.V. clown show we've been currently experiencing.
 
That ****ing Obama. He should have left Trump the keys to that box hiding all the ventilators and test kits.

That’s about how stupid your post sounds.

I don’t think you’re conclusions reflect the stupidity of my post. I suggest reading it again.
 
I'm old enough to remember when a 100 point move was kind of a big deal. Now when the stock market rises and drops by two thousand points, I'm all, "Pfft. Wake me when it moves by 5000 points."

Right?!
 
Of course they do. At the end of every Dem presidency, we have done quite well. At the end of every GOP presidency, we have had a catastrophic mess.

How many more times does this have to repeat before you start seeing a pattern?

I don’t see anything wrong with looking for patterns. I do think we should ensure that we understand the patterns we think we’re seeing before going off at the mouth about them.

The partisan bs doesn’t play. If conservatives started speaking up and blaming the left, I’d put them in their place too.
 
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