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Super Tuesday 2, Biden and Sanders face off in 6 states: LIVE updates

Winston said:
Well, Bernie won my county. That's pretty cool. But, it looks like he will lose my state.
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AOC will finish what Sanders started.

The FDR wing is back baby, and it's not going anywhere. Time and demographics are on our side and the days of the neoliberals are numbered.
 
calamity said:
Unlike the Republicans, who nominated the crazy man as their champion, the Dems fought back and went with sane. Now, it's time to dunk Trump.
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I'm pretty proud of the way the Dems are coming together, here. It really feels like the face of Democracy. I'm getting more hopeful for the country, and the democratic process.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm pretty proud of the way the Dems are coming together, here. It really feels like the face of Democracy. I'm getting more hopeful for the country, and the democratic process.
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Don't speak too soon; we'll see who the VP is and what Biden's platform involves and go from there.
 
Winston said:
I have not seen a Super Tuesday 2 thread.

It's make or break for Sanders. If he doesn't win MI tonight, yes it's time he drops out.

What to watch as Biden and Sanders face off in six states on Tuesday - CNNPolitics

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March 10 primaries: Live results - Vox
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It was over a week and a half ago when the DNC stabbed Bernie in the back.

Again.

The oligarchy (which controls both parties) isn't hugely invested in Biden over Trump, but Biden will need to pick his VP very carefully to please them in the .01% chance he wins the presidency, as he is clearly VERY sick.

Pro wrestling is more honest.

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.
 
Surrealistik said:
AOC will finish what Sanders started.

The FDR wing is back baby, and it's not going anywhere. Time and demographics are on our side and the days of the neoliberals are numbered.
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Yeah, the 20's will be the decade of the progressives. Exit polling consistently shows M4A has 50-60% support among the Dem electorate. That is Bernie's legacy. Mainstreaming common sense.

I will be supporting Abdul el-Sayed if he makes another run in MI. Many new progressive faces to come.

The media and the big money will not win the war. The age divide is stark. 45 and under prefer Bernie 2:1 and 45 and older prefer Biden 4:1. I blame TV, honestly.
 
Chomsky said:
Hey, mine was a sincere request to end the primary - and come together. No gloating at all, but pragmatic reality accompanied by a sincere & respectful desire for unity.

There's no need to drag this out any longer.
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Why should the nearly half of the party, the states that Bernie would win, be denied the chance to vote for him and give him more power at the convention?

If you're asking him to endorse Biden, it's already answered. If you're asking him to stop letting people vote for him and advancing his views and policies, hope he doesn't.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's over.
Sanders might want to make one last stand against Biden next week though. I'd say that if Biden has a decent debate that shows he can handle a one on one, and then sweeps the board next week, it will be hard for Sanders to justify staying in the race any longer.
Then again, he stayed in for a long time in 2016, when the math was even worse, and so did Cruz on the other side.
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Primary has ended.

The CNN debate had just been changed to "no live debate audience, no press filing room, no spin room", citing the Corona virus as excuse, and this evening ...

Miles Parks
@MilesParks

Rep. Clyburn on NPR just now: "I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination... If the night ends the way it has begun" it's time to "shut this primary down," meaning the DNC should "step in" and cancel future debates.

7:32 PM · Mar 10, 2020·Twitter Web App


What's left is to watch how Bernie will sell O'Biden to his bros. :lol:
 
What a relief that liberals are sane enough to reject a kooky communist.
 
Craig234 said:
Why should the nearly half of the party, the states that Bernie would win, be denied the chance to vote for him and give him more power at the convention?

If you're asking him to endorse Biden, it's already answered. If you're asking him to stop letting people vote for him and advancing his views and policies, hope he doesn't.
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If Sanders does drop out, it should only be in exchange for concessions from Biden.
 
Craig234 said:
Why should the nearly half of the party, the states that Bernie would win, be denied the chance to vote for him and give him more power at the convention?
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Because fewer Sanders delegates means fewer people booing Michelle Obama and John Lewis this year? A Dem convention this year where civil rights icons aren't being booed by malcontents would be splendid.
 
Surrealistik said:
If Sanders does drop out, it should only be in exchange for concessions from Biden.
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There's a civil war in the party over the interests of powerful corporate donors against the interests of the majority of citizens. They're united to beat trump, but have big differences on policy. Bernie represents the half of the party on the progressive side, and will push for his policies, and he should.
 
Winston said:
Yeah, the 20's will be the decade of the progressives. Exit polling consistently shows M4A has 50-60% support among the Dem electorate. That is Bernie's legacy. Mainstreaming common sense.

I will be supporting Abdul el-Sayed if he makes another run in MI. Many new progressive faces to come.

The media and the big money will not win the war. The age divide is stark. 45 and under prefer Bernie 2:1 and 45 and older prefer Biden 4:1. I blame TV, honestly.
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The stranglehold on discourse that traditional media has is fast coming to an end; in fact it's already over. The only thing that keeps it relevant are older people who rely on them inordinately for their news and perspective.

The genie's out of the bottle and they'll never be able to put it back.
 
Surrealistik said:
AOC will finish what Sanders started.
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Sanders didn't start anything. All he did was attempt to bribe the voters with their own money, and only the young, naive section of the electorate fell for it.

The FDR wing is back baby, and it's not going anywhere. Time and demographics are on our side and the days of the neoliberals are numbered.
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Time hurts progressivism. The future is decentralization of everything, while progressivism is all about centralized power.
 
jnug said:
Bernie will have to respond much more rapidly to the end of the nominating process when it comes than he did in 2016. Unless he quells the Bros quickly they will shoot themselves out of a cannon with a blizzard of Trumpette like ugliness aimed at Joe Biden and the Dem "establishment" and anybody else they think has done them wrong.

Biden for his part should pretty quickly at the end extend a hand to the Bernies as long as Bernie immediately gets his supporters under control and keeps them from shooting themselves out of a cannon. Biden should make some modifications to his platform to accommodate the Bernies. He should do this not necessarily for votes. Bernie could not even get them out to vote for HIM this year. So I am not sure they will come out to vote for Biden no matter what Biden does. But Biden should still do it to keep the Bernies from going ballistic which is their tendency. What votes he gets out of them I would consider icing on the cake.
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It's all in Bernie's hands, now. I admire what he's done, the movement he's created & shepherded. Quite honestly, I'm not sure if I'll respect him more for quickly coming together, or for sticking to his guns to the end.

I think Biden has to make the move to appease Bernie & convince him not just that he & his will have a place in the party, but that he will have a proper seat at the table developing the party platform. I think Bernie's a smart enough & sensible enough guy, that he would see the value of dropping quickly if he can effect substantive change within the party, even if the party vehicle is Biden rather than himself.

Maybe I was wrong, earlier. Maybe the move is Biden's to make. Biden is eminently sensible, compassionate, and reasonable. He's also a uniter. I'm now thinking Biden is the one holding the power to bring unity, and the move is his to make.
 
Chomsky said:
Biden is eminently sensible, compassionate, and reasonable. He's also a uniter.
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Explains his asking the union worker to fight in the parking lot.
 
aociswundumho said:
Sanders didn't start anything. All he did was attempt to bribe the voters with their own money, and only the young, naive section of the electorate fell for it.
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You can deny what Sanders achieved all you like in singlehandedly shifting attitudes on socialism, the Overton window, and political discourse; you'll still be utterly wrong as per usual.

Time hurts progressivism. The future is decentralization of everything, while progressivism is all about centralized power.
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If you say so. You've repeatedly demonstrated that your opinions on such matters are as absurd as they are beneath contempt.
 
Surrealistik said:
The stranglehold on discourse that traditional media has is fast coming to an end; in fact it's already over. The only thing that keeps it relevant are older people who rely on them inordinately for their news and perspective.

The genie's out of the bottle and they'll never be able to put it back.
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Bit premature about the 5 companies that control 90% of the nation's media.

There are billions of dollars to control whatever media system exists. We'll see. Young people don't have magic seances as an alternative.
 
Craig234 said:
Let's say I'm in the Biden demographic. Why?
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I was just wondering if you were like me, early 30's, having grown up never knowing a Democratic Party that was actually left wing.
 
Chomsky said:
It's all in Bernie's hands, now. I admire what he's done, the movement he's created & shepherded. Quite honestly, I'm not sure if I'll respect him more for quickly coming together, or for sticking to his guns to the end.

I think Biden has to make the move to appease Bernie & convince him not just that he & his will have a place in the party, but that he will have a proper seat at the table developing the party platform. I think Bernie's a smart enough & sensible enough guy, that he would see the value of dropping quickly if he can effect substantive change within the party, even if the party vehicle is Biden rather than himself.

Maybe I was wrong, earlier. Maybe the move is Biden's to make. Biden is eminently sensible, compassionate, and reasonable. He's also a uniter. I'm now thinking Biden is the one holding the power to bring unity, and the move is his to make.
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Bernie can stay in as long as he wants within reason. I don't think Bernie gets to the convention without having dropped out at the rate he is going. But once Bernie does drop out he must immediately invoke support for Biden from the Bernies. Biden has his hands tied UNTIL Bernie actually retires from the campaign or until Biden is absolutely convinced that Bernie is about to drop out. The problem if there is one will be if Bernie hesitates in the effort to get his supporters lined up behind the nominee immediately at the point of dropping out. If Bernie gives them any chance at all his supporters will shoot themselves out of a cannon and attack everybody and anybody in the Dem Party that they think has done them wrong.
 
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