Live Thread for Super Tuesday Democratic Primaries News and Results

[Linc]

I suspect that will be a sure win for the GOP come november, no matter who wins the run off

I’m pulling for Mr. Magoo, as trump called him.

 

[GreatNews2night]

maybe Joe's momentum is getting contagious.

Coronabiden?

 

[MovingPictures]

One v. one polls have nothing to do with tonight. You claimed voters would not have gone with a socialist over Trump. Polls said otherwise.

Yeah, they do. They are done by the same outfits.

To put stock in polls only when they agree with you is dangerous.

Face the reality that the young voters Sanders said would materialize, simply didn't.

If they wanted Sanders they should have showed up for him at the only poll that matters: the one at their local election station.

 

[NeverTrump]

Thoughts:

Bernie Sanders always attacks the guy at the top. I get it, but if you look at the delegate count (is it evil or good now?), he should be attacking Pete and Warren and Bloomberg. If they weren't in the race, he would be nearly tied with Biden right now, perhaps winning it.

Also what's Tulsi still doing in the race?

 

[Winston]

Its really unfortunate in a way. the Sanders voters are largely 'non-transferables' by the nature of the coalition he has built. Young voters are fickle and lazy. Anti-establishment/ anti Washington voters will be tempted by Trump, the far left can either write in Sanders or go Green Party. If we decided to go with Sanders, you might have a chance to educate the older voters and placate the centrists faster than you lose them IF this was not going to be the dirtiest, slimiest putin bot invested election in history. We can't possibly calm the fears of a 69 year old Democrat with a decent retirement nest egg and a home she wants to gift to her grandchildren towards this 'socialist' Crazy Bernie, faster than the GOP, Trump and Putin can stir up the fear, she will lose it all. She grew up being told that these ideas were an anathema to all that is good in America. She has a lot to learn in a few months and somebody else wants to teach her a much scarier narrative.

All of the people I know who are Sanders supporters are first time voters and/or unlikely voters. I'll prolly still vote for Biden as long as I turn the TV off and block every last Democratic talking head from reaching me, because I will not be able to see Joe Biden campaign without experiencing extreme nausea.

 

[NeverTrump]

Yeah, they do. They are done by the same outfits.

To put stock in polls only when they agree with you is dangerous.

Face the reality that the young voters Sanders said would materialize, simply didn't.

If they wanted Sanders they should have showed up for him at the only poll that matters: the one at their local election station.

I witnessed a Bernie bro change from Bernie to Biden tonight, it was a sight to behold.

 

[Geoist]

Yeah, they do. They are done by the same outfits.

They have nothing to do with tonight because voters were not choosing between Bernie and Trump, or Biden and Trump, etc. They were choosing between Democratic candidates.

To put stock in polls only when they agree with you is dangerous.

How does pointing to polls to counter your claim 'putting stock in polls only I agree with'?

 

[MovingPictures]

I just don't see Joe generating any enthusiasm. And I see Republicans fellating Trump down to the ballsack on the regular.

Here's the thing. What matters is whether Democratic voters are enthusiastic about beating Trump, like Republicans were about beating Clinton.

That's what matters.

 

[Bullseye]

In Texas, Trump - running essentially unopposed got more votes than the top five Democrats.

 

[NeverTrump]

All of the people I know who are Sanders supporters are first time voters and/or unlikely voters. I'll prolly still vote for Biden as long as I turn the TV off and block every last Democratic talking head from reaching me, because I will not be able to see Joe Biden campaign without experiencing extreme nausea.

It's funny. A lot of people are saying that Joe Biden needs a strong and elegant (Probably young black woman) person stumping for him. Yet...Biden is winning all these states even without that. Do you know who's campaign does have a young black woman stumping for him? That's right Bernie Sanders! Yet he is not having the night that social media said he would.

 

[Winston]

Here's the thing. What matters is whether Democratic voters are enthusiastic about beating Trump, like Republicans were about beating Clinton.

That's what matters.

Negative partisanship does rule the day in America. I just think the conservatives have the edge because they love their candidate and they still hate Democrats with equal passion as the Democrats hate Trump.

 

[Anagram]

Yeah, they do. They are done by the same outfits.

To put stock in polls only when they agree with you is dangerous.

Face the reality that the young voters Sanders said would materialize, simply didn't. If they wanted Sanders they should have showed up for him at the only poll that matters: the one on election day.

I mean there actually is a huge difference between primary and general election polling. General election polling has a pretty outstanding track record overall, while primary polling absolutely does not. And it makes sense why. People are more likely to vacillate between candidates who have similar positions than those who don’t. People often decide late in primaries to an extent that they don’t in the general. And then of course there’s the fact that in primaries candidates drop out. Basically all the polls before today include a couple of medium tier contenders that are no longer in the race.

So I would say there are good reasons to treat general and primary election polls differently, although putting much predictive power in any poll nine months from an election is nebulous.

 

[Geoist]

f you look at the delegate count (is it evil or good now?)

Bernie never wanted delegates to be a factor in the first place, but he had to agree with the rules of the primaries. Now, if Democrats were going to be honest and consistent they would do away with delegates just as they supposedly want to do away with the EC and let the popular vote decide.

 

[radioman]

All of the people I know who are Sanders supporters are first time voters and/or unlikely voters. I'll prolly still vote for Biden as long as I turn the TV off and block every last Democratic talking head from reaching me, because I will not be able to see Joe Biden campaign without experiencing extreme nausea.

Oh, c'mon....the Biden-Trump debates could be great theater.
Who will win the great babble-off.
My money is on Joe....if he can get under Trump's extremely thin skin.
We'll see.

 

[btthegreat]

All of the people I know who are Sanders supporters are first time voters and/or unlikely voters. I'll prolly still vote for Biden as long as I turn the TV off and block every last Democratic talking head from reaching me, because I will not be able to see Joe Biden campaign without experiencing extreme nausea.

Keep the tv off. Joe will not look any better. Do you like Chicken noodle casserole that has been sitting in the fridge for a week, better than it did straight out of the oven?

Yep keep the tv off and vote, because I am going to. I am not thrilled but I am not scared either.

 

[Winston]

It's funny. A lot of people are saying that Joe Biden needs a strong and elegant (Probably young black woman) person stumping for him. Yet...Biden is winning all these states even without that. Do you know who's campaign does have a young black woman stumping for him? That's right Bernie Sanders! Yet he is not having the night that social media said he would.

I am kinda of surprised but, all the Biden fluffing of the last couple days changed some minds. Going back to SC, most of those voters said the Clyburn endorsement was a 'major factor' in their decision to back Biden.

 

[Surrealistik]

Bernie never wanted delegates to be a factor in the first place, but he had to agree with the rules of the primaries. Now, if Democrats were going to be honest and consistent they would do away with delegates just as they supposedly want to do away with the EC and let the popular vote decide.

The irony isn't lost on me; for all the rage against the EC, including among the establishment/centrist Dems, they adamantly refuse to get rid of their own.

 

[NeverTrump]

Bernie never wanted delegates to be a factor in the first place, but he had to agree with the rules of the primaries. Now, if Democrats were going to be honest and consistent they would do away with delegates just as they supposedly want to do away with the EC and let the popular vote decide.

Bernie has been a flip flopping mess on that issue. He was the one who challenged the super delegate rules which allowed him easier access in 2016. He's been back and forth on the issue of delegates or popular vote many times. Every time he calls the process rigged the delegates are not happy.

 

[hermit]

I detest Biden but not as much as Mini Mike. I don't detest Bernie but his views are whacko, Biden's merely distasteful.

I don't detest Biden, but I'm not particularly fond of him. Mini Mike trying to buy his way to the Presidency turns my stomach. I have no desire to deal with a Bernie revolution. I've called Biden "pablum" in the past, and maybe his views are distasteful to you, but again, I think he is the best person for the job of President. I want to see Trump get the boot because I think he causes too much chaos in the world. I think Bernie is the man for the job, but only one term.

 

[Winston]

Oh, c'mon....the Biden-Trump debates could be great theater.
Who will win the great babble-off.
My money is on Joe....if he can get under Trump's extremely thin skin.
We'll see.

It's going to be extremely depressing watching two sun-downing old geezers threaten to whoop each other's asses. Picturesque for a decaying society.

 

[jnug]

What exactly am I sticking my head in the sand over? I see what is happening and it has me seriously worried about another 4 years of Trump. It could be 2016 all over again. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. If the nominee is Biden I will vote for him and hope he wins. I just worry about the states we lost in 2016...

The Dems ran a double whammy Candidate in 2016 if not a triple whammy candidate:
- Dem Party was absolutely ga-ga over electing the first woman President atop the first non-white President. They wanted that sheepskin on the wall BADLY, too badly and it blinded them
- They ran one of the most polarizing and unpopular candidates one could imagine
That also happened to be
- one of the worst campaigners in history. She had no message for traditional dems. She led every single campaign stop with LGBQ issues so much so that you had to conclude that they were the most important issues and platform planks of her campaign. Notice if you will that Mayor Pete, an openly gay man with husband in tow was smart enough not to try that. Hillary had IMO assembled a campaign staff of complete clueless amateurs on top of not being much of a campaigner herself. I see significant pieces of her staff today banging around the News Channels as clueless as they were in 2016 their battered visages almost painful to look at, still clueless none the less. They made countless rookie mistakes v. Trump as they were never really vetted in the Dem nominating process. Please don't tell me about the popular vote. That simply turns out to be another......rookie mistake on their part.

Biden has rounded into some sort of form on the campaign trail. Biden will inherit the Bloomy organization supported by the Bloomy money if Biden is the eventual nominee. IMO, Biden v Trump is a whole different ballgame than Hillary V Trump particularly with the amount of incentive within many in the Electorate that have seen Trumpy's act and have had enough thank you very much....more than enough.

As I posted earlier, a voter who wanders away from a candidate is easier to reacquire than one that the candidate never had and I suspect one thing we are seeing tonight is validation of Biden's early lead months and months ago. Even Bloomy for his part would IMO never even have gotten into the race if Biden had not faltered.

 

[GreatNews2night]

You all saw me defending Bernie for several days and threads and posts, but I hate this kind of thing: CNN is reporting that Sanders' surrogates are calling this a coup. So, here comes again the conspiracy theory that things are being stolen from Bernie. They are calling a huge turnout and hundreds of thousands of American citizens going to the polls and voting for Biden, a coup.

Continue this bulls***t and I'll withdraw my support. This is outrageous. Dammit!

This is not Bernie's fault, I hope... but his supporters have a way of being so irritating that they alienate others.

 

[Geoist]

I witnessed a Bernie bro change from Bernie to Biden tonight, it was a sight to behold.

I doubt that Bernie Bro suddenly thought to himself, 'you know, Biden is making some good points on this establishment-neoliberal-status quo platform!' I mean, Biden can barely form coherent sentences let alone defend a platform. The kid probably saw the writing on the wall and figured, 'well, if he's the nominee then I will be rooting for him against Trump.' I will dare say most Bernie supporters will do so, if reluctantly, because they too are sick of Trump embarrassing this country.

 

[Surrealistik]

Bernie has been a flip flopping mess on that issue. He was the one who challenged the super delegate rules which allowed him easier access in 2016. He's been back and forth on the issue of delegates or popular vote many times. Every time he calls the process rigged the delegates are not happy.

He said once that he'd welcome the support of the super delegates in 2016 in the event they thought him best to beat Trump.

I'm not sure how that can be construed as a 'flip flopping mess' when he's been wholly otherwise consistent on eliminating superdelegates and the power of unelected party brass.

 

[Bullseye]

You all saw me defending Bernie for several days and threads and posts, but I hate this kind of thing: CNN is reporting that Sanders' surrogates are calling this a coup. So, here comes again the conspiracy theory that things are being stolen from Bernie. They are calling a huge turnout and hundreds of thousands of American citizens going to the polls and voting for Biden, a coup.

Continue this bulls***t and I'll withdraw my support. This is outrageous. Dammit!

This is not Bernie's fault, I hope... but his supporters have a way of being so irritating that they alienate others.

Mayor Pete, Amy, and Steyer dropping out suddenly sounds a tad suspicious.