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Can someone explain?

jnug said:
I doubt it. She is doing a rotten job of securing delegates. That is likely a side benefit but not one they are counting on. The tactical benefit of having her there is that she can run interference for Bernie, attacking Bloomy for no particular reason since attacking Bloomy holds no foreseeable benefit directly to Liz and feathering her nest for the VP spot on a possible if not now likely Bernie ticket.
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I wasn't speaking specifically of any on candidate...rather all of them. They all know they have no chance in hell of getting the nomination. Like I said, they'll continue to put on a show to scrape up as many delegates as they can.
 
jnug said:
I don't see how people who are serious "stay home" for the 2020 Election. I don't know who the talking heads are talking to and frankly if they are the News Channel talking heads, there is very little I trust that comes out of their mouths. When it comes to politics they are only interested in a dog pile on the carpet narrative and whatever supports such a thing is what prompts them to yammer on.
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If one does not wish to vote for either Trump or Sanders (assuming they are the "R" and "D" 2020 general election POTUS choices offered) then why bother to vote at all? Yes, I realize that US House and possibly US Senate races, as well as other local races are also on the 2020 ballots, but most voters could not even name their current US House member and two US Senators.
 
Helix said:
A lot of current Tweetyborg also opposed King Tangface during the primary. Look at them now.
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That’s because the GOP goose steppers fall in line, not apart like the left.

For Lent and forward, my Focus is only on the Clear and Present Danger in the white nationalist house.

In real life, my efforts will be in two states near me, Wisconsin and Iowa.
 
Mycroft said:
I wasn't speaking specifically of any on candidate...rather all of them. They all know they have no chance in hell of getting the nomination. Like I said, they'll continue to put on a show to scrape up as many delegates as they can.
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That is distinctly different from two candidates who are not really both candidates for the top spot colluding with each other, one supporting the nomination of the other, running interference for him from the debate podium and feathering her nest for a VP spot on his ticket.
 
aociswundumho said:
He doesn't say what he means. If he said what he meant, then his platform would reflect the label he calls himself.
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Compared to ebola trump, Sanders would have been on top of COVID-19 from the beginning. Instead, it’s lies and denials after lies and denials.

trump is actually his own worst enemy with his whatabout me stock market focus, instead of focusing on the health of his Nation’s citizens.

The handling of the cruise ship was a colossal disaster in favor of CCC — corrupt crony capitalism.
 
jnug said:
An example of the New Channel talking head nonsense is their considering Bernie headed to Massachusetts, Warren's home state as a competitive move on Bernie's part. He is also headed to Amy's home state and while Amy has responded competitively, Liz has not.

Liz is obviously no longer running for the top spot on the ticket. It has likely been weeks since she has been running for the top spot on the ticket. In both the SC debate and in her CNN Town Hall that followed, her "distinctions" between her and Bernie were actually Liz pointing the the job of the VP, not the President! Those were the first distinctions between herself and Bernie she has been willing to make the entire campaign and they are distinctions that highlight the dif between the President's job and the VP's job. Liz is promoting herself as Bernie's VP choice.

While I am not so much of a snowflake that I can't handle it, it is somewhat disingenuous on both their parts (Liz and Bernie) to still be suggesting she is still a candidate for the top spot when she is in fact no longer running for the top spot. She is a candidate in name only. I suppose she is there if Bernie has another heart attack and there to continue to run interference for Bernie which is about the only thing she has done consistently for weeks now.
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There are also other "hangers on" in the (allegedly) moderate lane who have no realistic shot at (personally) getting enough delegates to win the DNC nomination, yet they may be remaining "active" simply to prevent Sanders from getting the first ballot nomination.
 
bongsaway said:
I'm watching the morning talking heads and they are saying all they are hearing from people is if bernie wins the nomination they're staying home.

Since bernie is at this moment a strong front-runner because people are voting for him, what are these folks talking about?

If bernie is still ahead after super tuesday will they still be saying the same thing?

Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means and is willing to take the heat for what he says because he believes in what he says. Some folks talk and make promises to get votes. Bernie doesn't. He makes no bones about what he thinks.

I'll be early voting later today, for bernie. Take that you talking heads.
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I am not sure why it is such a foreign concept to you but some people do actually vote for the candidates and not the parties. If they don't like the candidate, they are not going to go out and support someone else just because the nominees have been crowned by the party.
 
MrWonka said:
It feels like a last ditch effort on their part. It sounds a lot like the people claimed they wouldn't vote for Trump in 2016. When the general election comes along they'll vote for him. They're not going to risk 4 more years of Trump just to make a stupid point.
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Has the the last 3 years been bad because of Trump or because you have bad attitudes?
 
Drawdown said:
I am not sure why it is such a foreign concept to you but some people do actually vote for the candidates and not the parties. If they don't like the candidate, they are not going to go out and support someone else just because the nominees have been crowned by the party.
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This and not everyone is anti Trump just because he hurts their feelings.
 
No one is staying home. Bernie is not comparable to Trump. The right wants hope and the left wants to fear monger a high turn out.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Set aside your partisan bias and explain why you do not see that Trump also won the republicant primary and went on to win the general election. Are those who say that they refuse to vote for Trump OK, yet those who say that they refuse to vote for Sanders not OK?
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Vote for whom you wish. I'm pretty sure I'm rather consistent in that thought.
 
ecofarm said:
No one is staying home. Bernie is not comparable to Trump. The right wants hope and the left wants to fear monger a high turn out.
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Hope for destroying the rule of law (but only for him and his boot-licking cronies), and the Constitution, because that's what he's actively working for.
 
bongsaway said:
I'm watching the morning talking heads and they are saying all they are hearing from people is if bernie wins the nomination they're staying home.

Since bernie is at this moment a strong front-runner because people are voting for him, what are these folks talking about?

If bernie is still ahead after super tuesday will they still be saying the same thing?

Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means and is willing to take the heat for what he says because he believes in what he says. Some folks talk and make promises to get votes. Bernie doesn't. He makes no bones about what he thinks.

I'll be early voting later today, for bernie. Take that you talking heads.
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Can't complain if you don't vote.
 
element94 said:
Hope for destroying the rule of law (but only for him and his boot-licking cronies), and the Constitution, because that's what he's actively working for.
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The right wants to believe it's not gonna get blown the **** out. But it will.
 
bongsaway said:
I'm watching the morning talking heads and they are saying all they are hearing from people is if bernie wins the nomination they're staying home.

Since bernie is at this moment a strong front-runner because people are voting for him, what are these folks talking about?

If bernie is still ahead after super tuesday will they still be saying the same thing?

Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means and is willing to take the heat for what he says because he believes in what he says. Some folks talk and make promises to get votes. Bernie doesn't. He makes no bones about what he thinks.

I'll be early voting later today, for bernie. Take that you talking heads.
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Dems strategy set them up to more likely lose. It should never have been to find the most "electable" or the one most likely to beat Trump. It should have been to vote Dem, no matter what, incl state/local office, and pick a candidate that best represent the party and the avg American and why, and get people registered. In addition, to publicize and fight every effort by Republican to spread disinfo and suppress voter turnout.
 
Perotista said:
I think you need to realize that the Democratic Primaries where only Democrats vote and the general election where everyone can vote are two different things. They involve completely two different sets or types of people. Well, democrats can vote in both, but Republicans can't vote in the democratic primaries and most independents can't vote in the democratic primaries either unless they live in an open primary state.

As for Super Tuesday, it's the same thing. Only democrats are voting in their primaries, not Republicans nor independents for the most part. Sanders is at this point in time, just winning among democrats, not the American public as a whole. Just among one of three major factions. Say just a third of the total electorate.

Look at this way, Hillary Clinton was the choice of democrats in their primaries, she lost when all Americans could vote. Obama was the choice of the democrats in their primaries, he won when all Americans could vote. Gore and Kerry were the choice of democrats in their primaries, both lost when everyone could vote, etc. Being the choice of and receiving the most votes in the democratic primaries doesn't mean they will be the choice of all the people in November.

Following what the pundits state, me personally. I know I won't vote for Trump in November of 2020. Now that doesn't make me an automatic vote for the democrats either. That depends on who they nominate. I'd vote for Biden, Klobuchar, Gabbard against Trump. I would vote third party again if the democrats nominate Sanders or Warren like I voted against both Trump and Clinton in 2016. The rest, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, I haven't made up my mind. What this means is candidates matter to me. Not party, but candidates.

The primaries are one thing with one type of voter, just Democrats. The general election involves every type of voter, not only democrats, but everyone. There's your difference.
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And? Do you think you are saying anything different from the talking heads? I would also like to think after almost seventy years I know the difference between a primary and an election. I also switched out of being an independent for many years to a democrat last election to vote for bernie in my primary.

Time will tell.
 
bluesmoke said:
Dems strategy set them up to more likely lose. It should never have been to find the most "electable" or the one most likely to beat Trump. It should have been to vote Dem, no matter what, incl state/local office, and pick a candidate that best represent the party and the avg American and why, and get people registered. In addition, to publicize and fight every effort by Republican to spread disinfo and suppress voter turnout.
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Amen.
 
bongsaway said:
Awww shucks, you say that about all the democrats running. Flirt.
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No Tulsi was the only one I feared would beat Trump. Thankfully dems went fullbore left and actually believe a USSR honeymooning, cuba loving socialist will win our general. I could not pick a better candidate for Trump to bash on debate nights. At some point he needs to provide his cooky math to the public and I am praying that happens after he is the nominee and not before.
 
AlphaOmega said:
No Tulsi was the only one I feared would beat Trump. Thankfully dems went fullbore left and actually believe a USSR honeymooning, cuba loving socialist will win our general. I could not pick a better candidate for Trump to bash on debate nights. At some point he needs to provide his cooky math to the public and I am praying that happens after he is the nominee and not before.
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Why does Bernie have to prove anything like Trump doesn't?
 
AlphaOmega said:
No Tulsi was the only one I feared would beat Trump. Thankfully dems went fullbore left and actually believe a USSR honeymooning, cuba loving socialist will win our general. I could not pick a better candidate for Trump to bash on debate nights. At some point he needs to provide his cooky math to the public and I am praying that happens after he is the nominee and not before.
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The only reason you think that is tulsi is the closest thing to a republican the democrats had. She's done.
 
You guy's realize that Bernie is 78 years old right?
 
bongsaway said:
And? Do you think you are saying anything different from the talking heads? I would also like to think after almost seventy years I know the difference between a primary and an election. I also switched out of being an independent for many years to a democrat last election to vote for bernie in my primary.

Time will tell.
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Exactly, time will tell.
 
bongsaway said:
I'm watching the morning talking heads and they are saying all they are hearing from people is if bernie wins the nomination they're staying home.

Since bernie is at this moment a strong front-runner because people are voting for him, what are these folks talking about?

If bernie is still ahead after super tuesday will they still be saying the same thing?

Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means and is willing to take the heat for what he says because he believes in what he says. Some folks talk and make promises to get votes. Bernie doesn't. He makes no bones about what he thinks.

I'll be early voting later today, for bernie. Take that you talking heads.
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I rarely listen to the talking heads on TV. When I do, I practice "buyer beware". That is, I have understood for years that the talking heads want me to believe things that are not necessarily true.
 
bongsaway said:
I said for information, not necessarily their opinion of the information. And no I do not feel like everyone is like me. If I did I would be a trump supporter.
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not everyone is a Trump supporter...not even close

even the ones that voted for him in 2016 werent necessarily his fans...they voted against Hillary not for him

but you can continue thinking that way....i am sure that will get you far in life
 
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