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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    I'm watching the morning talking heads and they are saying all they are hearing from people is if bernie wins the nomination they're staying home.

    Since bernie is at this moment a strong front-runner because people are voting for him, what are these folks talking about?

    If bernie is still ahead after super tuesday will they still be saying the same thing?

    Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means and is willing to take the heat for what he says because he believes in what he says. Some folks talk and make promises to get votes. Bernie doesn't. He makes no bones about what he thinks.

    I'll be early voting later today, for bernie. Take that you talking heads.
    I think you need to realize that the Democratic Primaries where only Democrats vote and the general election where everyone can vote are two different things. They involve completely two different sets or types of people. Well, democrats can vote in both, but Republicans can't vote in the democratic primaries and most independents can't vote in the democratic primaries either unless they live in an open primary state.

    As for Super Tuesday, it's the same thing. Only democrats are voting in their primaries, not Republicans nor independents for the most part. Sanders is at this point in time, just winning among democrats, not the American public as a whole. Just among one of three major factions. Say just a third of the total electorate.

    Look at this way, Hillary Clinton was the choice of democrats in their primaries, she lost when all Americans could vote. Obama was the choice of the democrats in their primaries, he won when all Americans could vote. Gore and Kerry were the choice of democrats in their primaries, both lost when everyone could vote, etc. Being the choice of and receiving the most votes in the democratic primaries doesn't mean they will be the choice of all the people in November.

    Following what the pundits state, me personally. I know I won't vote for Trump in November of 2020. Now that doesn't make me an automatic vote for the democrats either. That depends on who they nominate. I'd vote for Biden, Klobuchar, Gabbard against Trump. I would vote third party again if the democrats nominate Sanders or Warren like I voted against both Trump and Clinton in 2016. The rest, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, I haven't made up my mind. What this means is candidates matter to me. Not party, but candidates.

    The primaries are one thing with one type of voter, just Democrats. The general election involves every type of voter, not only democrats, but everyone. There's your difference.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    An example of the New Channel talking head nonsense is their considering Bernie headed to Massachusetts, Warren's home state as a competitive move on Bernie's part. He is also headed to Amy's home state and while Amy has responded competitively, Liz has not.

    Liz is obviously no longer running for the top spot on the ticket. It has likely been weeks since she has been running for the top spot on the ticket. In both the SC debate and in her CNN Town Hall that followed, her "distinctions" between her and Bernie were actually Liz pointing the the job of the VP, not the President! Those were the first distinctions between herself and Bernie she has been willing to make the entire campaign and they are distinctions that highlight the dif between the President's job and the VP's job. Liz is promoting herself as Bernie's VP choice.

    While I am not so much of a snowflake that I can't handle it, it is someone disingenuous on both their parts (Liz and Bernie) to still be suggesting she is still a candidate for the top spot when she is in fact no longer running for the top spot. She is a candidate in name only. I suppose she is there if Bernie has another heart attack and there to continue to run interference for Bernie which is about the only thing she has done consistently for weeks now.

    The only reason they are still in the running is to get enough primary delegates between them to prevent Bernie from winning the first convention vote. If they succeed, then the DNC Elites can make anyone THEY like the nominee...and it won't be Bernie.
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    Re: Can someone explain?

    A lot of current Tweetyborg also opposed King Tangface during the primary. Look at them now.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The only reason they are still in the running is to get enough primary delegates between them to prevent Bernie from winning the first convention vote. If they succeed, then the DNC Elites can make anyone THEY like the nominee...and it won't be Bernie.
    I doubt it. She is doing a rotten job of securing delegates. That is likely a side benefit but not one they are counting on. The tactical benefit of having her there is that she can run interference for Bernie, attacking Bloomy for no particular reason since attacking Bloomy holds no foreseeable benefit directly to Liz and feathering her nest for the VP spot on a possible if not now likely Bernie ticket.

    Liz has also done a wonderful job of paralyzing the other candidates from making a concerted effort to attack front runner Bernie since Liz refuses to stay put so that the other candidates can reliably attack Bernie without making Liz collateral damage. The fact is the moderates in the Dem Party want the Left to be represented. So they did not want to knock out Liz and Bernie at the same time. Liz has been all over the political spectrum, first chasing Bernie Left then tacking back Right BEFORE she had won anything. Left, Right, Left Right. Where are you goin' Liz?
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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    Some folks just don't like bernie because he is the one person who says what he means
    He doesn't say what he means. If he said what he meant, then his platform would reflect the label he calls himself.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    I doubt it. She is doing a rotten job of securing delegates. That is likely a side benefit but not one they are counting on. The tactical benefit of having her there is that she can run interference for Bernie, attacking Bloomy for no particular reason since attacking Bloomy holds no foreseeable benefit directly to Liz and feathering her nest for the VP spot on a possible if not now likely Bernie ticket.
    I wasn't speaking specifically of any on candidate...rather all of them. They all know they have no chance in hell of getting the nomination. Like I said, they'll continue to put on a show to scrape up as many delegates as they can.
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    When I "dismiss" you it only means that I have determined that further discussion is useless or counter-productive. Don't take it personally. Go ahead and have your last word...and move on.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    I don't see how people who are serious "stay home" for the 2020 Election. I don't know who the talking heads are talking to and frankly if they are the News Channel talking heads, there is very little I trust that comes out of their mouths. When it comes to politics they are only interested in a dog pile on the carpet narrative and whatever supports such a thing is what prompts them to yammer on.
    If one does not wish to vote for either Trump or Sanders (assuming they are the "R" and "D" 2020 general election POTUS choices offered) then why bother to vote at all? Yes, I realize that US House and possibly US Senate races, as well as other local races are also on the 2020 ballots, but most voters could not even name their current US House member and two US Senators.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    A lot of current Tweetyborg also opposed King Tangface during the primary. Look at them now.
    That’s because the GOP goose steppers fall in line, not apart like the left.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I wasn't speaking specifically of any on candidate...rather all of them. They all know they have no chance in hell of getting the nomination. Like I said, they'll continue to put on a show to scrape up as many delegates as they can.
    That is distinctly different from two candidates who are not really both candidates for the top spot colluding with each other, one supporting the nomination of the other, running interference for him from the debate podium and feathering her nest for a VP spot on his ticket.

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    Re: Can someone explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    He doesn't say what he means. If he said what he meant, then his platform would reflect the label he calls himself.
    Compared to ebola trump, Sanders would have been on top of COVID-19 from the beginning. Instead, it’s lies and denials after lies and denials.

    trump is actually his own worst enemy with his whatabout me stock market focus, instead of focusing on the health of his Nation’s citizens.

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