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Town Hall with Michael Bloomberg

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In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic
 
In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic




I agree. He'd be my first choice. I'd even vote for Buttigieg over Trump, but I won't vote for Bernie or Warren, they are too extreme.
 
Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

Which ironically, makes him also extremely unqualified to be the President. One is a racist sexual predator who was a well-known associate of infamous pedophile and human trafficker, Jeffery Epstein. The other is also that, but a 140 pounds lighter, and a couple feet shorter.

I agree. He'd be my first choice. I'd even vote for Buttigieg over Trump, but I won't vote for Bernie or Warren, they are too extreme.

Trump is putting Hispanic children in cages. The other wants to give everyone healthcare so they don't die or go bankrupt. Horseshoe theory once again fails.
 
7 Resurfaced Remarks That Aren’t Helping Mike Bloomberg’s Campaign

However, Bloomberg's hideous remark last night toward Bernie at the debates was pretty outrageous.
Let's review:
Vladimir Putin thinks that Donald Trump should be president of the United States, and that’s why Russia is helping you get elected, so you’ll lose to him” Bloomberg told Sanders.
 
In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic

He talks a good game but imploded twice in a row in debates.
 
I agree. He'd be my first choice. I'd even vote for Buttigieg over Trump, but I won't vote for Bernie or Warren, they are too extreme.

I'm in with Bloomberg. He's a brilliant business manager but it's evident from his background. He's one of those people like Jeff Bezos who started Amazon with nothing, Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle, whose mother gave him away when he was 9 months and put up for adoption. These men started with nothing, no millions behind them, no political influences to help them along the way. They were self-made men who became successful because they made it happen, not someone else.

I don't know if there's any truth to this but I've noticed that men that are self-made successes tend to be people that are more health conscious than those who have had their fortunes handed to them. Mike Bloomberg brought that to New York by initiating a smoking ban in NY in all public places and inside restaurants and banning the big cup sugary soda. The ban on the soda was ruled to be unlawful.

Some trivia about Bloomberg that most people don't know;

His first three months at Salomon Brothers Investment on Wall St. coincided with a heat wave in New York City, during which he was assigned to work “in an un-airconditioned bank vault” counting securities by hand. He and his co-workers stripped to their underwear and shared “an occasional six-pack of beer.”

He smoked until he was in his early 30s. He quit by imagining his worst enemy outliving him. Who that was, or is, he has never said.

For decades, he scheduled his own appointments for the same $35 haircut.

He took an annual salary as mayor of $1. After Social Security deductions, he once said, his paychecks came to 93 cents. He framed them un-cashed

In 2018, he was America’s second-most generous billionaire, behind only Jeff Bezos. He has, says his staff, given away almost $10 billion.

more: 55 Things You Need to Know About Mike Bloomberg - POLITICO
 
7 Resurfaced Remarks That Aren’t Helping Mike Bloomberg’s Campaign

However, Bloomberg's hideous remark last night toward Bernie at the debates was pretty outrageous.
Let's review:
Vladimir Putin thinks that Donald Trump should be president of the United States, and that’s why Russia is helping you get elected, so you’ll lose to him” Bloomberg told Sanders.

That statement is exactly correct and it's what I've been saying for weeks here. Russia WANTS Bernie to be the candidate because they know that with their help again, Trump will win over Bernie Sanders. With Bernie Sanders as the chosen candidate at the DNC, the Russian trolls would immediately go into overdrive with a negative campaign specifically created to take votes from Bernie Sanders and towards Trump. there's plenty of ammo they will use against Sanders and he would be a guarantee that Trump would win reelection. Even moderates who voted for HRC in the 2016 would not vote for Bernie Sanders.
 
In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic

I largely agree with you. There is no doubt he is an exponentially better businessman than Trump. There is no doubt he is a much better manager. As to philanthropy, anyone is better than Trump as Trump's charity was just another one of his scams.

The problem Bloomberg has is he is a terrible debater and a very uninspiring speaker. The guy is just pure pragmatism. I like that, but you need more than that to win. It reminds me of the story about Adlai Stevenson being approached by a supporter:

"Known for his good nature, Stevenson was once approached by a young woman supporter, the first time that he decided to run for the president’s post. She said, “Governor, every thinking person would be voting for you”. He retorted, “Madam, that is not enough. I need a majority.”
 
I'm in with Bloomberg. He's a brilliant business manager but it's evident from his background. He's one of those people like Jeff Bezos who started Amazon with nothing, Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle, whose mother gave him away when he was 9 months and put up for adoption. These men started with nothing, no millions behind them, no political influences to help them along the way. They were self-made men who became successful because they made it happen, not someone else.

I don't know if there's any truth to this but I've noticed that men that are self-made successes tend to be people that are more health conscious than those who have had their fortunes handed to them. Mike Bloomberg brought that to New York by initiating a smoking ban in NY in all public places and inside restaurants and banning the big cup sugary soda. The ban on the soda was ruled to be unlawful.

Some trivia about Bloomberg that most people don't know;

His first three months at Salomon Brothers Investment on Wall St. coincided with a heat wave in New York City, during which he was assigned to work “in an un-airconditioned bank vault” counting securities by hand. He and his co-workers stripped to their underwear and shared “an occasional six-pack of beer.”

He smoked until he was in his early 30s. He quit by imagining his worst enemy outliving him. Who that was, or is, he has never said.

For decades, he scheduled his own appointments for the same $35 haircut.

He took an annual salary as mayor of $1. After Social Security deductions, he once said, his paychecks came to 93 cents. He framed them un-cashed

In 2018, he was America’s second-most generous billionaire, behind only Jeff Bezos. He has, says his staff, given away almost $10 billion.

more: 55 Things You Need to Know About Mike Bloomberg - POLITICO


He's also an eagle scout which is probably why he ran for mayor and is running for president now.
 
Which ironically, makes him also extremely unqualified to be the President. One is a racist sexual predator who was a well-known associate of infamous pedophile and human trafficker, Jeffery Epstein. The other is also that, but a 140 pounds lighter, and a couple feet shorter.



Trump is putting Hispanic children in cages. The other wants to give everyone healthcare so they don't die or go bankrupt. Horseshoe theory once again fails.

We are faced with the same choices we had in 2016, which is the worst of 2 evils but the reality is that not only is Trump the worst of the evils but Bloomberg is nowhere near as bad as Hillary. I keep mentioning the fact that Bloomberg has been one of the top 10 philanthropists on 10 straight years and you are not a philanthropist if you don't actually care about others. As such, the choice is the devil (Trump) or an intelligent and competent spoiled brat.
 
That statement is exactly correct and it's what I've been saying for weeks here. Russia WANTS Bernie to be the candidate because they know that with their help again, Trump will win over Bernie Sanders. With Bernie Sanders as the chosen candidate at the DNC, the Russian trolls would immediately go into overdrive with a negative campaign specifically created to take votes from Bernie Sanders and towards Trump. there's plenty of ammo they will use against Sanders and he would be a guarantee that Trump would win reelection. Even moderates who voted for HRC in the 2016 would not vote for Bernie Sanders.

I worry you are right. Bernie supporters constantly go on about the polls showing him beating Trump as if polls right now on a general election have any value at all. In the Spring and early Summer of 1988, Dukakis polled between 20 and 30 points ahead of Bush. Bush went on that fall to win in a landslide. We have never won the White House with anyone that ran far to the left. McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis all ran as hardcore liberals, all of them lost in landslides. Even FDR did not run far to the left in 1932 - and even if you think he did, FDR's talent as a politician was light years ahead of Bernie.
 
He talks a good game but imploded twice in a row in debates.

Everyone has imploded at some point, either at a debate or with their extreme views that go against what people want.
 
I largely agree with you. There is no doubt he is an exponentially better businessman than Trump. There is no doubt he is a much better manager. As to philanthropy, anyone is better than Trump as Trump's charity was just another one of his scams.

The problem Bloomberg has is he is a terrible debater and a very uninspiring speaker. The guy is just pure pragmatism. I like that, but you need more than that to win. It reminds me of the story about Adlai Stevenson being approached by a supporter:

"Known for his good nature, Stevenson was once approached by a young woman supporter, the first time that he decided to run for the president’s post. She said, “Governor, every thinking person would be voting for you”. He retorted, “Madam, that is not enough. I need a majority.”

That is absolutely hilarious and unfortunately 100% true.
 
In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic

Dude did his best work as a Republican. Now he's doing a total flip-flop and kissing LW ass.
 
I worry you are right. Bernie supporters constantly go on about the polls showing him beating Trump as if polls right now on a general election have any value at all. In the Spring and early Summer of 1988, Dukakis polled between 20 and 30 points ahead of Bush. Bush went on that fall to win in a landslide. We have never won the White House with anyone that ran far to the left. McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis all ran as hardcore liberals, all of them lost in landslides. Even FDR did not run far to the left in 1932 - and even if you think he did, FDR's talent as a politician was light years ahead of Bernie.

And as it turned out, FDR was the first president who created one of the biggest self-funded programs this country has ever had, Social Security. Lyndon Johnson created Medicare in 1965, a publicly funded program. Both programs were viewed to be pretty far to the left. Both were democrats of course which tells me that it's democrats that tend to create programs designed to help Americans whether they're living in poverty at poverty level or aging or ill. According the the late Senator John Dingle, the longest serving member of Congress, "The Republicans hated both Social Security and Medicare like the devil hates holy water. And they fought it right up to the last minute".

Republicans have a long history of resistance to social welfare programs especially when it's created and signed into law by a democratic president.
 
Dude did his best work as a Republican. Now he's doing a total flip-flop and kissing LW ass.

I don't like Lizzie Warren at all, but props to her for getting in her Bloomberg digs, but being the opportunist she is, I think she might be vying for Sander's veep and was doing the deed.
 
7 remarks- OMFG
7 ya say

Many would say that is a slow day for Trump

Most people would take telling 7 lies over POTUS's 16,000+ and add on the few he told tonight standing right next to the CDC.
 
And as it turned out, FDR was the first president who created one of the biggest self-funded programs this country has ever had, Social Security. Lyndon Johnson created Medicare in 1965, a publicly funded program. Both programs were viewed to be pretty far to the left. Both were democrats of course which tells me that it's democrats that tend to create programs designed to help Americans whether they're living in poverty at poverty level or aging or ill. According the the late Senator John Dingle, the longest serving member of Congress, "The Republicans hated both Social Security and Medicare like the devil hates holy water. And they fought it right up to the last minute"

Republicans have a long history of resistance to social welfare programs especially when it's created and signed into law by a democratic president.

Those programs were a much easier sell though. In the case of Social Security, it was during the depression and seniors were the largest demographic living in poverty. Moreover, people were often stuck supporting their parents that were too old and sick to work, at the same time they were trying to raise their kids.

In the case of Medicare, seniors due the risk they pose an insurer, are virtually uninsurable absent massive subsidies (think Medicare Advantage where the taxpayer foots the bill). Thus a large, and very reliably voting portion of the electorate went without health coverage.

Medicare for everyone is a much, much harder sell because you are not just providing coverage to people that don't have it or can't afford it, you are moving 150 million people from private insurance to Medicare. Even if it would be better coverage than the majority of insurance plans, people are very conservative (with a small c) when it comes to big changes in their lives like that. Maybe a president as talented as FDR could sell it, but a politician that talented comes along once every 150 years or so.
 
Dude did his best work as a Republican. Now he's doing a total flip-flop and kissing LW ass.

Worked for Mitt Romney in terms of his victory as Governor of Massachusetts, and some could argue it worked for Hilary too to get her party nomination.

Not many politicians (or those with political aspirations) can be themselves and then win on a national level. Most need to navigate in waters they aren't native to in order to scoop up votes needed to prevail. Those who don't do that generally don't win. Which is why Sanders could never win, he doesn't re set for the appropriate battles across all states and demographics. It's a difficult balancing act and if you screw up in too many states--- you could bleed out.

For example: Hillary throwing coal miners and some union blue collar workers under the bus in favor of pandering the green wing. She chose badly--- or just didn't mitigate the damage correctly.

Bernie is like that. Who in the HELL is telling him that making complimentary comments about Fidel Castro (who is DEAD BTW... somebody needs to tell Bernie). But making those comment doesn't help you win Florida.... duh! MOST candidates pretty much want to win Florida. Some say that without Florida you may not win the presidency. Sure rang true for Al Gore as we know.
 
Those programs were a much easier sell though. In the case of Social Security, it was during the depression and seniors were the largest demographic living in poverty. Moreover, people were often stuck supporting their parents that were too old and sick to work, at the same time they were trying to raise their kids.

In the case of Medicare, seniors due the risk they pose an insurer, are virtually uninsurable absent massive subsidies (think Medicare Advantage where the taxpayer foots the bill). Thus a large, and very reliably voting portion of the electorate went without health coverage.

Medicare for everyone is a much, much harder sell because you are not just providing coverage to people that don't have it or can't afford it, you are moving 150 million people from private insurance to Medicare. Even if it would be better coverage than the majority of insurance plans, people are very conservative (with a small c) when it comes to big changes in their lives like that. Maybe a president as talented as FDR could sell it, but a politician that talented comes along once every 150 years or so.

I don't see how it would ever be possible for Bernie Sanders to sell Medicare for all to our U.S. Senate. Even if the Senate turned blue, which I don't see happening, I don't think he would have the votes to pass such a massive undertaking.
 
In listening to Michael Bloomberg at the CNN town hall that is happening as I write this, I am 100% convinced that not only would he be a good President but is the most capable of beating Donald Trump.

Everything that Trump is good at, Bloomberg is better and everything that Michael Bloomberg is accused of having done, Trump has been accused of doing worse.

I don't see anyone at this time that would be better than Bloomberg to be president other than perhaps Steyer but even then, in some respects Bloomberg would probably be better. That is not to say he is the best possible person but of what is available, there is no one better. There is no doubt in my mind that if nominated, he would beat Trump.

1) better businessman
2) better manager
3) better for the economy
4) better to address gender and color injustice
5) more philanthropic

The only rational i have for Bloomy attempting to run under the Dem umbrella is that he has the contracted or maybe always had Dem Disease. Pretty good at Government but Lousy at Elections. He might have a shot if he could get his size 9.5 out of his mouth.
 
I don't see how it would ever be possible for Bernie Sanders to sell Medicare for all to our U.S. Senate. Even if the Senate turned blue, which I don't see happening, I don't think he would have the votes to pass such a massive undertaking.

That's what the Bernie supporters don't seem to get. For the Senate to get enough votes to pass it, you have to have some traditionally red states represented by Democrats, and those Democrats will have to be very moderate to stand a chance of getting elected in those states, and thus they aren't going to vote for it.
 
Most people would take telling 7 lies over POTUS's 16,000+ and add on the few he told tonight standing right next to the CDC.

Like swatting flies
 
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