Live Thread for the SC Democratic Presidential Debate

[Robertinfremont]

Why?.

You said: Buttigieg debating Trump would be epic.

 

[Diesel]

You said: Buttigieg debating Trump would be epic.

I know what I said. Why would that make Trump grin from ear to ear?

 

[Chomsky]

Proval captured the mindset of a psychopath better than anyone else.

Don't get me wrong, they were all great actors, but Proval hit home the idea that someone could be as entertaining as a hell, yet a cold blooded, evil murderer at the same time the best.

The actor that played Ralph was a close second.

Yep. My favorite in the series.

 

[Chomsky]

Agreed; of all the mobsters on Sopranos, he was the only one that consistently and truly inspired fear and exuded menace; him and Phil to a lesser extent.

Agreed!

 

[Chomsky]

I know what you mean, but I've been disappointed by people I thought would be good debaters against horrible Republicans - including Biden against Palin and Ryan, or Edwards against Cheney.

I thought Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan! No Malarkey! :mrgreen:

 

[Greenbeard]

I thought Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan! No Malarkey! :mrgreen:

 

[Robertinfremont]

I know what I said. Why would that make Trump grin from ear to ear?

OK, Trump will welcome all of his class or even of higher class. Trump loves to deal with such types.

 

[Jay59]

Yes. Every problem in the world could be solved if every person got high simultaneously.

Until the high ended and you find out you broke the equipment.

 

[Diesel]

OK, Trump will welcome all of his class or even of higher class. Trump loves to deal with such types.

I have no idea what you're trying to say nor why you've taken three posts not to say it.

 

[Diesel]

Until the high ended and you find out you broke the equipment.

Broke what equipment?

 

[btthegreat]

It's an excellent point. Why should we punish the bottom 80% to benefit the top 20%?

See Social security was designed to be an old age insurance / pension plan, not a progressively structured anti-poverty program like WIC or SNAP so it was more like an insurance contract, than a government run program. That how they got buy in from upper middle class districts. Trust me, when we start running out of money they will try to find ways to introduce some means testing in it. Eventually the rich boys won't be getting as much in the way of Inflation adjustments etc.

 

[Jay59]

Broke what equipment?

When you come down, think about it. There are reasons why high and cars don't mix.

 

[slick]

I thought Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan! No Malarkey! :mrgreen:

Biden toyed & trifled with Ryan it was the biggest beat down I ever saw in a VP debate, moreso than Benson over Quayle.
Benson embarrassed Quayle with a oneliner while Biden torched Ryan from beginning to end.

That's why I thought Biden would be good candidate this time around. What happened to Biden? I guess 8 years of
aging matters a lot. He's just not up to the task any more & it's been obvious since his 2020 campaign began!

 

[slick]

My impression of Buttigieg took a big hit with last week's debate and this debate. Even though for the most part he answers well and has good moments, as a matter of fact he comes across as fake, as in rehearsed posturing to be seen as the level-headed good guy. I think I just don't like him in a visceral way. I never liked Warren, she recovered my esteem last week, just to lose it again this week. I find her pretty annoying.

I'm a bit troubled with the fact that Bernie didn't handle well the pressure and the attacks. This doesn't bode well for the continuation because he'll be attacked more and more, and then, if he wins the nomination, he will be brutally attacked by Trump and the right wing.

Bloomberg came across to me as competent, a big contrast with him coming across as an asshole last time.

Steyer had some great moments but he is irrelevant to the race.

Amy also did well but again, she has always polled in the single digits, she has no chance.

Biden efficiently pandered to his crowd, trying to solidify his AA support.

I think this race may very well become one between Bloomberg, Sanders, and Biden.

I can't see how Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Warren, and Steyer would be able to win the nomination.

If Biden recovers hugely, wins SC, and does well on ST he will be back and the race will remain a 3-way one. If he loses SC he is toast since the lack of any momentum will hurt him on ST too, and the race will be only between Bloomberg and Sanders.

As of now I think Sanders is still the most likely one to win the nomination, followed by Bloomberg, then Biden, and all others have zero chance.

Pete and Warren were dreadul tonight. They talked out of turn, overran their time and interrupted the others. I don't think
those idiots realize that when we watch that we know that their thinking is that rules are for others and that is how they
will govern. Bloomberg, Bernie and Steyer played by the rules and they conducted themselves like leaders.

 

[jdog21]

Well, yeah. And it worked. But in your first reply in this conversation, you said Klobuchar as veep would be "bad". It's not bad, if it gets you into office. Not getting into office is "badder". I think you're missing that point.

Klobuchar would be a good VP due to being a decent senator. Not to mention she is female and most importantly from Minnesota. This election is all about 4 states, Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. I think everyone can see Florida is getting redder and Pennsylvania is getter bluer. So the real battle ground Michigan and Wisconsin. Klobuchar could pull Wisconsin to whoever the democrat President nominee is.

edit: Also any senator pick for VP plays well in holding Virginia blue.

 

[jnug]

Warren is staying in to prevent other candidates from getting to the 15% threshold, directly helping Sanders. Her going after Bloomberg is no surprise. That’s why she stays in for what is really three straight super Tuesdays — 3/3, 3/10, 3/17.

And of course pure as the driven snow Bernie knows NOTHING about what Liz is actually still doing in the "nominating" process. It certainly has become clear why Liz went so hard after Bloomy and is still hard after him and clear why the two Left leaning candidates NEVER really went after each other even once during this nominating process. Again, I noticed weeks ago and posted here that Liz had paralyzed Dem nominee responses to Bernie's advances because they did not want to turn Liz into collateral damage.

They do want the Left represented on that stage. Yet her meandering all over the political landscape really left them wondering where Liz really was going. "Is she really trying to run from the Left? Is she tacking back to the Right? Left again.....Right again?" I bet THAT is a decision the other candidates are rueing now. They should have gone after Bernie and if Liz got caught as collateral damage, so be it.

 

[jnug]

So the stage has been set for candidates for the Dem nomination to get out after SC. The question is will they:
- Liz, isn't even running for the nomination any longer. She is just running interference for Bernie and I am sure Bernie knows it. She can't poll out of the single digits either
- Amy, has no money, no organization, no standing with minorities....JUST GET OUT AMY
- Steyer, Oblivious to the job of President. Another rich guy playing politics. Best suited to heading up grassroots efforts for issues. GET OUT TOM. You are taking up space. Also can't poll out of the single digits no matter how much money he spends

All three should be gone immediately after SC. Should be gone now!

Next would be Pete and finally Bloomy should drop out. Both can stay in to Super Tuesday if they wish. Pete as the remaining Dem candidate at that point that won't have a waiting oxygen tent backstage and Bloomy .....well just because I guess. At any rate, Pete is not likely to get much done in SC and maybe should join the three mousekateers I noted above and should just bow out after SC.

 

[Luther]

I am sorry, but Bernie Sanders needs to show he is not a one trick pony.

With only the 40 and under crowed

 

[Luther]

He has the momentum right now. The one trick pony thing is working.

Working only with the 40 and under crowed

 

[cpwill]

No, it's very simple:

At a macro level, it is indeed - if your revenues are growing, but your spending is growing much faster, and scheduled to grow even faster still, far outstripping spending for decades to come and creating a during potential for fiscal crises, the problem is the spending.

Its voodoo economics

...no. the point that we cannot afford our current projected level is spending, much less tens of trillions more, is not voodoo, magic, or anything of the sort. It's math.

 

[cpwill]

See Social security was designed to be an old age insurance / pension plan, not a progressively structured anti-poverty program like WIC or SNAP so it was more like an insurance contract, than a government run program. That how they got buy in from upper middle class districts. Trust me, when we start running out of money they will try to find ways to introduce some means testing in it. Eventually the rich boys won't be getting as much in the way of Inflation adjustments etc.

I entirely agree, but, that point was about forcing taxpayers to pay for the generally upper middle classes to attend college.

 

[cpwill]

I thought Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan! No Malarkey! :mrgreen:

I've always thought that being a rude and dismissive ass wasn't a way to win a debate - perhaps that's my preference for reason and data - but, then, Trump is President. Perhaps Biden's performance there was merely a precursor of what was to come.

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[TamleeB]

Just as with the previous debate, last nights debate was very hard to follow. The moderators need to take control and not allow the candidates to attempt to run the show. I did not see anyone on that stage that appeared Presidential, but I honestly blame part of that on the failure of the moderators. Apparently, there were no rules that needed to be followed.

 

[Hypothetical]

He has a valid point. It is one thing to arrest people using pot. But another to be discouraging smoking cigarettes, discourage vaping nicotine - but putting a pot shop in every mini shopping strip for smoking and vaping pot. It is a drug. It does alter behavior. Should it be not just legalized, but promoted?

discourage it all you want but yes Marijuana should be legalized. its not any worse than alcohol or tobacco, so either legalize it or criminalize them all and get rid of any notion that we actually live in a free country where people have the right to do what they want as long as it is not immediately harmful to them.

 

[Hypothetical]

Bernie post-debate giving the same stock message he's given thousands of times. Getting attacked about Cuban area Congress people. Good defense. So much red baiting. If Bernie says Castro is an authoritarian who increased literacy, a lot of dishonest people say "BERNIE LOVES CASTRO'S DICTATORSHIP!"

gee exactly how people twisted and continue to twist trumps words about "some very fine people" when he says he was not talking about the white supremacists. imagine that. same play by the same people, again.